Leisure fascism: Vegan says that a carnivore can’t eat tofu because it’s “cultural appropriation”

Well, yes, this is from The Sun, but it does give names and I suspect it’s true (it’s reported at multiple places, including msn) .  Click on the screenshot for the LOLs:

The relevant bit of their exchange (in case you didn’t know, “tofurkey” is a turkey substitute made out of tofu, intended for consumption at Thanksgiving):

How well the termites have dined—or have not dined! I’m crying and shaking now. I can’t even. . .

Read the original article for more fun, including to see how the carnivorous tofu-eater was temporarily banned from her Facebook group.

h/t: Cindy


  1. EliHershkovitz
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Why is ‘hey’ still a salutation?

    • Posted January 15, 2018 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

      It is even used on national network news – drive me crazy [crazier] 🙂

    • XCellKen
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

      But I thought everybody knew that straw is cheaper, and grass is free ?

  2. loren russell
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    My first encounter with tofu was in the ’70s on an insect-collecting road trip in the California Coast Ranges. My co-pilot wanted to stop at a commune to see friends.

    Found that the inmates seemingly eschewed seasoning as well as animals products. More memorable than the tofu, but inextricably associated with it in my memory was waking up on straw-over-pounded-mud floor and finding that an earwig had nested in my left ear.

  3. Diana MacPherson
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    I hope that vegan never eats bread or pasta because that would be appropriating from people with Celiac disease.

    • Derek Freyberg
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

      Only if it was gluten-free!

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted January 15, 2018 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

        Oh yes, I forgot the most important part of my joke….haha.

  4. Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    I like tofu. I eat it alongside meats in stir-fry and even fry it in bacon grease. What I don’t get is when vegans try to make their tofu look and taste like meat. Why bother pretending? Just eat the damned tofu. It’s so much better when it’s not trying to be something else.

    • Jenny Haniver
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

      Making tofu and other such substances (such as texturized vegetable protein – yum!) taste and look like meat constitutes culinary appropriation.

      • infiniteimprobabilit
        Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

        I eat gas station meat pies. Rumour has it they contain no actual meat but I like the flavour. 😉


        • Ken Kukec
          Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

          He is a brave gastronomer indeed, who partakes of the gas-station meat pie.

          • infiniteimprobabilit
            Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:53 pm | Permalink


            I only do it on road trips. Quick, cheap dose of protein, needs no utensils to eat and doesn’t waste good driving time.


            • Ken Kukec
              Posted January 15, 2018 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

              I stop at a little Cuban coffee stand on a regular basis and often indulge in an empanada de carne, so know whereof you speak.

  5. Jenny Haniver
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    That’s beyond ridiculous. What a fool. Unless the vegan is Asian, she’s engaging in cultural appropriation; and there are plenty of Asian dishes that include both tofu and meat.

  6. Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    I was a vegan for about 2.5 years and then vegetarian for about 15. I know precisely the pretentious attitudes that can be floated in those camps. Thinking one is better because their diet might be better is normal. These people have put thought into their diet, when, generally, they think others have not. This is, for the most part, incorrect.

    Most vegetarians I’ve known are not as healthy as they think and tend to shut down reason in favor of diet identity.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

      Anthony Bourdain refers to vegans as “the Hezbollah-like splinter faction” of vegetarianism. 🙂

      • Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

        Reducing the demand for food that comes from brutality should never be conflated with a superior posture. It’s about reducing brutality

    • Tom
      Posted January 16, 2018 at 12:58 am | Permalink

      My own story is similar to yours for nearly two decades I was vegan then vegetarian and it wasn’t worth the considerable (and in may ways expensive)effort.
      At the bitter end I twigged what I had been doing was no more than attempting to cure a non existent disease (meat eating) with a variety of nostrums or placeboes.
      I think there may be a connection between extreme vegetarianism and hypochondria

  7. Carl S
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    This wasn’t from The Onion? (Or, for us non-vegans, The Liver and Spicy Accompanying Root?)

  8. Graham
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    “stealing what we need for your own selfish use” Tofu is in such short supply that it needs to be rationed for Vegans only?

    • Diana MacPherson
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

      Ha ha – and, as a limited resource, triaged. So, a vegan in more desperate need for tofu would get tofu before a vegan that didn’t need the tofu so urgently. It would be interesting to determine what the “need” would be.

      • BJ
        Posted January 15, 2018 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

        And I’m guessing this vegan is convinced that GMOs are a terrible idea and give people cancer. Or autism. Or something.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

      Time to start buying up soybean futures on the Chicago Merc.

  9. Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s terrible that non-Vegans are appropriating Vegan culture.

    I bet most of them couldn’t even tell you which constellation Vega is in.

    • Posted January 15, 2018 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

      It’s in the Constellation Chevrolet.

    • Diane G.
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think one should name the constellation if one isn’t related to the ancient Greek whose lyre it was named for.

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted January 16, 2018 at 9:27 am | Permalink

        Are you calling me a lyre? 😀

        • Diane G.
          Posted January 16, 2018 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

          That’s right, pun the easy part. (*gives up after minutes of trying to lame-pun Orpheus or Eurydice*)

          • Diana MacPherson
            Posted January 16, 2018 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

            Ha ha are you calling me an asshole? (Orpheus).

            • Diane G.
              Posted January 16, 2018 at 6:13 pm | Permalink


              Well done.

              Note that half the challenge remains, however.


              • merilee
                Posted January 16, 2018 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

                You’re a dick, Eurydice??

              • Diana MacPherson
                Posted January 16, 2018 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

                Damn it I was going to say that but I got distracted with food in the kitchen.

              • Merilee
                Posted January 16, 2018 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

                Great minds??

              • thegarlicks
                Posted January 16, 2018 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

                OK, I’m NOT going to admit online that I’m brain-farting over this one…I feel like Satchel in Get Fuzzy…

                Oh, wait…*puts stress on 3rd syllable*…ok, ok. I get it.

                Just because I put the stress on the proper syllable! And find no hard consonant on the end! Yeah, I’m hopelessly literal. ‘Wait–all c’s were hard in ancient Greek, weren’t they? I’ll just shut up, now…

  10. Merilee
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    What a twit.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

      I think that is the word we are all looking for on this. There are enough soybeans out there for everyone.

  11. Posted January 15, 2018 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    This is predictable, generational regressive veganism. Have been vegetarian for 30 years in order to reduce demand for food that involves cruelty/brutality. And wish I could be vegan. But no one would know that a white/male drinker/smoker would forgo virtue-signaling for unspoken non-human concern

    • Bric
      Posted January 16, 2018 at 3:20 am | Permalink

      Gussie! Is that you? My regards to the newts

      • Bob Murray
        Posted January 16, 2018 at 11:24 am | Permalink


  12. Hal
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    How long before evolution eliminates this sort of thing?

  13. Posted January 15, 2018 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Reblogged this on The Logical Place and commented:
    Banned for eating tofu? Because it is cultural appropriation? Is the world going mad?

  14. Laurance
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Just what is going on with vegans (or I should say, “some” or “many” vegans – there are probably some decent and sensible ones)?

    My sister became a vegan years ago, and oh jeez! She’s so snotty and superior and judgemental about it. She won’t hesitate to inflict rude put-downs on anyone who isn’t as pure and virtuous as she is.

    She also gave up wearing leather. And what did she do with her leather shoes and things? She gave them to me. She purified herself and transferred the evil to me.

    The thing about that is that it reminds me of the institution of the Shabbos Goy, and the practice here in PA of “driving the Amish”. If it’s sinful for a Jew to work on the Sabbath, and sinful for the Amish to drive a car, isn’t it kind of creepy to enjoy the benefit of Sabbath or a nice car ride while the Goy or the English bears the sin?

    This sort of transference of evil to someone else so as to enjoy the benefit while someone else bears the consequence seems pretty yucky to me.

    • Posted January 15, 2018 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

      Try to ignore the “religious” among them. See me above; most probably try to be practical and reduce demand for stuff made from brutality to non-humans

      • Paul S
        Posted January 15, 2018 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

        Is that true? Do the vegitarians you know provide non-vegitarian dishes for there non-vegitarians guests? As a courtesy I always provide food based on dietary requirements and preferences. The vegitarians I know do not, save one.

        • Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

          Seems like a non sequiter reply.

          Point is: do you knowingly create a demand for food based on brutality when you can easily avoid it?

          • Paul S
            Posted January 15, 2018 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

            I understand your point. You’re virtue signaling. You are of course a better person because as you say, I prefer food based on brutality.

            • Posted January 15, 2018 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

              Virtue junk is incidental. Knowingly contributing to the chain of brutality aint

              • John Frum
                Posted January 16, 2018 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

                You really get off on that word brutality, dontcha?

      • Laurance
        Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

        Hello, Finknottle…good on you! I did switch to ovo-lacto-vegetarianism some time ago because of the cruelty concerns. But then I found myself in a very difficult situation in which it was just too hard to be strict about it, and I went back to using meat for protein.

        I do NOT eat veal. No. Won’t do it. No pate de foi gras. But I do use other meat. I want to go back to ovo-lacto-vegetarianism, though.

        My sister tore into me for eating eggs and using milk and cheese. I worked at a dairy store and caught holy hell from her for that. (And everything that’s wrong in her family is All My Fault somehow, don’t ask me how, I don’t have a clue…) Oh, I caught all hell for having a pet snake (a rescue – animals are not merchandise) and for going from New York State to Kentucky to rescue and adopt an unwanted and mistreated cat. Whatcha gonna do?

        What do you eat for protein? If you’re not a vegan, are you ovo-lacto? I’m interested. I’m having food difficulties and I want to get my diet improved and straightened out, and get away from meat.

        • Posted January 15, 2018 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

          Hi: Hmmm, I guit meat in August 1987 and have eaten tofu about twelve times over the years.

          At 51 my stamina has never suffered as people told me it would when I gave up flesh back then. Eggs and cheese are very, very rare. But rice and beans/fruits and nuts seem to do the trick. And I’ve always liked broccoli, spinach and the stuff people aren’t supposed to like.

          Beats the hell outta me why anyone thinks going veg hard. You can do it;-)

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

      Wilde famously used the idea for The Picture of Dorian Grey.

      I seem to recall it backfired eventually.


      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

        And Jesus.

        • infiniteimprobabilit
          Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

          Oh yes. I really do like the idea that, since Jesus died for our sins, it would be ungrateful and a wasted opportunity – almost blasphemy in fact – not to take maximum advantage of that kind offer… 😎


  15. JonLynnHarvey
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Well, my history undergrad major self leaps forward here.

    Tofu has been part of the cuisine of China for 2000 years, but its rise in popularity in Asian culture coincides with the rise of Buddhism with its vegetarian mandates. But this is centuries later!! It was not invented by nor for vegetarians. They “appropriated” it.

    • Bob
      Posted January 16, 2018 at 5:36 am | Permalink

      Eating tofu is “cultural appropriation” unless one is Chinese.

  16. Christopher
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Funny, since in the last twenty years of me being a vegetarian (3 years of which as a vegan) it was only the meat eaters that bitched and moaned and harassed me about my diet. Now the non-leather shoe is on the other foot and the vegans are being assholes as well. It’s not an improvement.

    No matter what goes into or comes out of it, an asshole is an asshole be they meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan.

    • Posted January 15, 2018 at 6:30 pm | Permalink


    • Mark R.
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

      Meat-eaters? I think of myself as an omnivore. Some human cultures subsist entirely on meat, and these I would consider “meat-eaters”. Not trying to be pedantic, but you also said “vegetarian” and “vegan” both of these words are misplaced as well. I know vegetarians who drink milk and eat eggs, and vegans who eat honey. I didn’t know vegans weren’t supposed to eat honey. Either way, all these food restriction self-identifying names are useless and boring. There are good reasons to eat healthy, and ethically. I just get tired when these issues are broken down into silly labels. Damn, I haven’t heard about the “brutality” incrimination until today.

      • John Frum
        Posted January 16, 2018 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

        Don’t worry, it’s just more virtue signaling.

  17. Jon Gallant
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Don’t vegans realize the dangers they pose for the natural environment? The Amazon sorghum forests are dwindling, the herds of wild tofu are on the verge of extinction, and the use of turmeric and activated charcoal are speeding up global warming.

  18. Posted January 15, 2018 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Reminds me – how can you tell if someone is a vegan? You don’t have to – they will tell you.

    • Posted January 15, 2018 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

      False. You will always be asked with the flesh-eater’s penetrating, fake-curious posture about why you try to avoid hidden brutality

      • mrclaw69
        Posted January 16, 2018 at 3:06 am | Permalink

        Dude: it’s an old joke.

      • Posted January 16, 2018 at 7:31 am | Permalink

        The combination of a “taste nice” gene and “capable of being domesticated” gene is a remarkably successful evolutionary trait.

        If an animal’s life has value then surely it has value even if it is terminated rather abruptly. Perhaps the cows and pigs prefer the existence they have as opposed to not existing at all. Have you asked them?

    • John Frum
      Posted January 16, 2018 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

      Person: someone’s badly injured, is there a doctor here?
      Vegan: I’m a vegan.

  19. Posted January 15, 2018 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Can we omnivores eat edamame? How about chickpeas? Lettuce? Can we eat any non-meat? Seems to me the person saying “I want to eat that, so you can’t have any” is the one being selfish.

  20. John Dentinger
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    One of SNL’s new-ish writers is Julio Torres, a vegan. He does a stand-up bit where he says, “I’m often asked what I miss as a vegan. What I miss is . . . being liked. I miss my family. . . . “

  21. roadworker
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    I used to be a vegan and then an omnivore and am now a vegetarian but always a human. As a human, and assuming this story is true, I am slightly embarrased to belong the same species as the complainer. I don’t care what anybody else eats, but most evangelical vegans I know would actually welcome any carnivores preparing and eating vegan food.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

      Entirely sensible point. One would have thought the more people ate tofu, the less animal consumption, therefore the complainer should welcome it as a step in the right direction whoever is eating it. It’s not as if tofu was a non-renewable resource.


      • Diane G.
        Posted January 15, 2018 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

        Now I’m curious–what would it take to make you an omnivore? 🙂

        • infiniteimprobabilit
          Posted January 16, 2018 at 12:36 am | Permalink

          Maybe I’m being a bit etymological there.

          As I understand it, omnivore means meat-and-veg eater, which I am. However ‘omni’ means ‘everything’ and my tastes are capricious and finicky so ‘omni’ doesn’t quite fit. For example I find eggs disgusting, also most identifiable organs like tongue, liver etc.

          It’s nothing to do with ethics (though honestly, if someone decreed that I had to go full vegetarian – and if someone could come up with convincingly steak or bacon-flavoured tofu – I wouldn’t mind one bit).


          • Diane G.
            Posted January 16, 2018 at 12:58 am | Permalink

            I see. 🙂 Well, by your definition it’d be pretty damned hard to find anyone who fills the bill.

            Enjoyed any maggots, lately?

            • Posted January 16, 2018 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

              Having been taught that humans are omnivores, and having studied enough history and anthropology to be aware of the many things some people eat that I may consider repulsive, I don’t knock it. I might not like some of the foods that sustain others, but I don’t begrudge them their eating whatever they must to survive. And if I were lost in a forest or jungle and starving, I’m quite sure I wouldn’t be finicky either.

  22. Posted January 16, 2018 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good, vegan person. 🙂

  23. Posted January 16, 2018 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Brutality was created by God:

    The Heaven of Animals
    By James L. Dickey

    Here they are. The soft eyes open.
    If they have lived in a wood
    It is a wood.
    If they have lived on plains
    It is grass rolling
    Under their feet forever.

    Having no souls, they have come,
    Anyway, beyond their knowing.
    Their instincts wholly bloom
    And they rise.
    The soft eyes open.

    To match them, the landscape flowers,
    Outdoing, desperately
    Outdoing what is required:
    The richest wood,
    The deepest field.

    For some of these,
    It could not be the place
    It is, without blood.
    These hunt, as they have done,
    But with claws and teeth grown perfect,

    More deadly than they can believe.
    They stalk more silently,
    And crouch on the limbs of trees,
    And their descent
    Upon the bright backs of their prey

    May take years
    In a sovereign floating of joy.
    And those that are hunted
    Know this as their life,
    Their reward: to walk

    Under such trees in full knowledge
    Of what is in glory above them,
    And to feel no fear,
    But acceptance, compliance.
    Fulfilling themselves without pain

    At the cycle’s center,
    They tremble, they walk
    Under the tree,
    They fall, they are torn,
    They rise, they walk again.

    James Dickey, “The Heaven of Animals” from The Whole Motion: Collected Poems 1945-1992. Copyright © 1992 by James Dickey. Reprinted with the permission of Wesleyan University Press, http://www.wesleyan.edu/wespress.
    Source: James Dickey: The Selected Poems (Wesleyan University Press, 1998)

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