New poll shows Christianity dying off in England

November 2, 2015 • 9:30 am

A few days ago I reported on a BBC article citing a poll with a surprising result: 40% of British people didn’t believe that Jesus was a historical person. I found that surprising, and thought that it reflected simple ignorance of the populace rather than pervasive mythicism based on people’s investigations, but it turns out it’s more complicated than that. A new piece in the Torygraph highlights the poll and its overall bad news for religionists. It looks as if Christianity is dying out in England (Wales and Scotland weren’t surveyed), and the poll has the English religious establishment running scared.

The poll and report were prepared for the Church of England and two other organizations, by the Barna group, a respectable organization that collects information for religious groups and churches. You can read the whole short booklet, “Talking Jesus: Perceptions of Jesus, Christians, and evanglism in England”, at this link.

Here’s the bad news for Christians as reported by the Torygraph:

. . . a third of those surveyed said they were not aware of anyone they know being a practising Christian.

The Bishop of Bristol, the Rt Rev Michael Hill, admitted the findings had been “greeted with disbelief” but warned members of the Synod not to dismiss them because they did not fit with their “preconceptions” about the public.

The Church’s most senior lay official, the Synod’s Secretary General William Fittall, added that some forms of outreach by Christians hoping to win new converts should be recognised as “counterproductive”.

The findings, which present one of the gloomiest pictures ever about the state of Christianity in Britain, were sent out to almost 470 members of the Synod, which is due to discuss how to tackle the crisis in the pews when it meets in London next month.

First, the best news for atheists and secularists: 21% of British adults are either atheist or agnostic:

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Second, most Christians don’t go to church very often, so they’re not really “practicing” Christians. From the report:

Although 57% of the English population self-identity as Christian, just 9% are described for the purposes of this survey as practising Christians: those who report regularly praying, reading the Bible and attending a church service at least monthly.

Third, here’s the Jesus question with answers divided up by age. Get a load of the message in the balloon!:

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Seriously, “how can we help those in relevant roles teach the historic facts about Jesus”? Which historic facts about Jesus? And what is that doing in the report? Clearly, the Church of England thinks it knows these facts, and is still trying to brainwash others about them. Sadly, the report shows that talking to non-Christians about such facts not only doesn’t work, but is counterproductive.

So you can see the question as it was asked, and that the 40% of “non-historicists” is actually an amalgam of two groups: those who don’t know whether Jesus was a real person or a mythical character (18%), and those who think he was a mythical or fictional character (22%). Now that 22% could comprise those who just don’t buy that there was a historical Jesus-man, those who mistakenly think that the Bible is seen as a work of fiction, or both.

There are other data from those over 55;

The older you are, the more likely you are to believe Jesus actually walked the earth. Fifty-seven percent of the under-35s believe Jesus was a historical person, compared to 65% of over-55s. Older people are also less likely (17%) to think Jesus was merely a fictional character from a book and not a real, historical person. Younger people are the most sceptical about Jesus’s existence, with a quarter of them believing Jesus was a mythical or fictional character. [JAC: Again, there could be two bases for this mythicism: considered rejection or simple ignorance.]

The positive correlation between age and belief suggests that, with time, Christianity will wane in the country.

Here are two more results of interest. First, only 21% believed in the divine Jesus in the Bible, while 58% accept that Jesus was either a normal human being, a non-divine prophet, or don’t have an opinion. That sums up to 79%, with the other 21% (shown as 22% above) rejecting the notion that Jesus was even a real person:

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Finally, here are people’s opinions on the Resurrection. Only 17% of adults think the Biblical description is literally accurate, while another 26% think that there’s some allegory in the tale, but that Jesus really did come back to life. That’s only 43%—less than half. The other 57% don’t accept the Resurrection for one reason or another, or don’t know (2%).

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The rest of the report is less interesting to me, as it deals not with beliefs per se, but with how Christians feel about evangelizing, about discussing Jesus with other people, and about why people became Christians (not surprisingly, the most common answer among practicing Christians—41% of them—was “growing up in a Christian family”).

There’s another bit there that’s heartening, though. As the Telegraph reports:

Stark new research findings being presented to members of the Church’s ruling General Synod suggest that practising Christians who talk to friends and colleagues about their beliefs are three times as likely to put them off God as to attract them.

After all this bad news for Christians, it’s somewhat funny to see the recommendations that the report gives for how the Church should deal with all this apostasy. Here are the first four of ten recommendations. You can see the desperation below the surface, especially in #1, which urges Christians to “pray for the Church”. And they’re saying they need God’s intervention to stem the tide of secularism—good luck with that! (Note that #4 conflicts with the finding that talking about one’s beliefs actually puts off others.)

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h/t: Graham

76 thoughts on “New poll shows Christianity dying off in England

  1. I’m not sure it’s entirely kind to describe the Church of England as the brainwashing type of church. In fact, it’s rather because it isn’t that religion has just withered away in many places.

    Those that are actively religious rather just as culturally identifying as Christian are very often evangelical imports from the USA and Africa.

    Regarding the recommendations, as has been noted by myself and many other fellow Europe-dwelling readers here, evangelism really doesn’t work here. Neither does personal “testifying”. It just makes people stare with a mixture of pity and amusement.

    So, yes, it’s doomed.

    1. Yup. It’s Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses who do all the proselytizing round my way (Leeds). There’s a flat at the end of my street that is occupied by an ever changing group of Mormons, mostly young American guys who try to strike up conversations with me on the flimsiest of pretexts. They’re pretty annoying. Good job they have the little black badges so you know to avoid them.

      The Jehovah’s witnesses just stand on the street with their literature, not actively approaching anyone. I never see anyone approach them.

      1. There seems to be a movement on this side of the pond (USA) where the Jehovah’s Witnesses now set up a card table with literature and “Ask me about God” signs on a busy corner or by a bus stop. Their organization has acknowledged how much the JWs *hate* going door-to-door, so they’ve made sitting out there for a few hours at the card table an option that fulfills the “faithful”‘s requirement to go out and proselytize. Likewise, I see them just sitting – nobody goes up and asks them about God. But even though it’s sad and pathetic, it’s actually win all around – we get to be not bothered by them when we’re trying to relax at home; they get to just sit instead of accosting strangers in their homes and still deliver what their organization is demanding of them.

      2. I’m from Leeds and was just about to say the same thing! The JWs set up their stall at a few sites around the city centre and have been doing so for years. I have never seen anyone approach them, ever. I would feel quite sorry for them if they weren’t representing such an odious organisation. This does illustrate the point that has been made above though – evangelising just does not work on this side of the pond. Anyone that does talk about their religion is generally given a very wide birth and will from then on be regarded as a weirdo.

    2. “I’m not sure it’s entirely kind to describe the Church of England as the brainwashing type of church. ”

      Perhaps it’s just not very good at it. 😉

      Don’t they have indoctrination for children? Do they recite the Apostle’s Creed, Nicene Creed, etc?

      1. Brainwashing is when you try to discredit the wisdom of the outside world, twist the meaning of words, tell your followers they cannot trust their minds, threaten people with hell-fire, tell people not to associate with unbelievers, and generally try to create a sense of psychological confusion in your flock. This sort of thing American fundamentalists do fairly well, but in my experience Anglicans do not.
        Yes, the teach their doctrines, but they’re not really into mind control on this level.

        1. Brainwashing in a more general sense is using force to make someone change his views. Force can be social pressure.

          By that definition, most religions use brainwashing, but they fall on a continuum, with CoE perhaps on the lower end of the scale with Episcopalians.

      2. To illustrate the point, one can find Anglican priests who admit openly that they don’t actually believe in God; and this is not a new development. Eric Idle (of Monty Python fame) recalls that when he was a boy one of his teachers who happened to be a minister when asked by his pupils if God and Christianity was all true, answered “not really”.

        Anglican priests also always tended to be very well educated university graduates, as opposed to someone who just had a revelation and decided to preach the good news (and bilk their congregations); so the idea of teaching Creationism or unsubstantiated myth would just horrify many of them.

        So basically,faith without evidence has had the ground chipped away out from underneath it for a long time in England.

        1. I think this arises from the Church’s history as the official church of England. So it has been a societal organisation as much as a religious one. In the past it fulfilled much of the functions that a local council does today. This is why it has encompassed a wide variety of beliefs (or lack thereof), and why there was a need for clergymen to be educated. In the countryside the local vicar was often one of the few people who could read and write, he recorded births deaths and marriages, he was as much a social service as a religious one.

          (I’d even venture that a lot of the US’s problems with religiosity is because they did try to separate church and state. Religion, divorced from practical considerations and the influence of moderate semi-believers, was free to go all evangelical and is now mounting a counter-attack.)

          From ‘Yes Minister: The Bishop’s Gambit’:
          James Hacker: Humphrey, what’s a Modernist in the Church of England?
          Sir Humphrey Appleby: Ah, well, the word “Modernist” is code for non-believer.
          James Hacker: You mean an atheist?
          Sir Humphrey Appleby: No, Prime Minister. An atheist clergyman couldn’t continue to draw his stipend. So, when they stop believing in God, they call themselves “Modernists”.
          James Hacker: How could the Church of England suggest an atheist as Bishop of Bury St Edmunds?
          Sir Humphrey Appleby: Well, very easily. The Church of England is primarily a social organization, not a religious one.
          James Hacker: Is it?
          Sir Humphrey Appleby: Oh yes. It’s part of the rich social fabric of this country. So bishops need to be the sorts of chaps who speak properly and know which knife and fork to use. The sort of people one can look up to.

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          1. “was free to go all evangelical and is now mounting a counter-attack.”

            That was even the argument advanced by the Founding Fathers.

  2. I can believe this. I don’t know anyone who goes to church and I don’t think any of my family have stepped foot in a church since my cousin was baptised. And that was a sham to get him into a decent school!

    Yesterday a team mate at football let slip that he played in a Christian football league on Saturday and he was mocked rather relentlessly. There was about 15 of us there all around 25 year of age. I think every chipped in with a joke or too

  3. The part here about “praying for the Church” reminds me of my favourite ever press release from the Association Of Catholic Priests (ACP) here in Ireland. You can find the actual release at:

    http://www.associationofcatholicpriests.ie/2014/09/getting-real-about-vocations/

    The pertinent part relates to the ACP complaining to their Bishops about the shortage of new vocations and reads as follows:

    “When the Association of Catholic Priests (ACP) at a meeting in June asked the Irish bishops what was Plan B, they were told that there was no Plan B, just Plan A revisited. Plan A is praying for vocations and encouraging men, young and sometimes not so young, into a celibate priesthood. Plan B is doing the same. We (ACP) suggested to the bishops that all the evidence was that Plan A had failed. And that therefore Plan B would follow the same trajectory.”

    So essentially, the conversation between the Irish Association Of Catholic Priests and the Irish Catholic Bishops went as follows:

    Priests:
    What will be do about the crisis in vocations?

    Bishops:
    Pray for more vocations.

    Priests:
    Don’t be stupid. Praying clearly doesn’t work.

    1. I sincerely encourage religious of all stripes to invest all of their energy in prayer and zero into any other action.

    2. ” Priests: Don’t be stupid. Praying clearly doesn’t work”

      Bishops: Then let us pray that our prayers will work.

  4. Stark new research findings being presented to members of the Church’s ruling General Synod suggest that practising Christians who talk to friends and colleagues about their beliefs are three times as likely to put them off God as to attract them.

    Oooo — militant Christians!

  5. “Sadly, the report shows that talking to non-Christians about such facts not only doesn’t work, but is counterproductive.”

    And THAT’s the “Good News”! So there is a high proportion of schoolteachers who are Christian. No doubt they’re hoping that their *bon mots* about the jeez will suitably impress their impressionable charges (ethics be damned – all’s fair in the jesus war), but now we’re seeing that that’s “counterproductive”! Their best strategy actually drives people away from Christianity!

    What a lovely way to start the day 😀

  6. “We are liked.”

    “That’s right! You read it here! That makes it true! People like you! They really, really like you! Sure, they might act like they don’t, but they’re just shy and playing coy. Lay the Jesus on them – they WANT it!”

  7. First, the best news for atheists and secularists: 21% of British adults are either atheist or agnostic:

    I’m betting that it’s more like double that percentage.

    Many people who label themselves “Christian” do so out of a vague sense of historical and cultural affinity, but don’t actually believe in God or in any of the theology, and don’t go to church (apart from the occasional wedding).

    1. I totally agree. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were closer to 60%, especially in those of working age or younger. I know only one person who outwardly identifies as being religious and she is a divorced Catholic who is living in sin with her boyfriend.

    2. I’ve long had a hunch that the supposed silent majority of Christians who don’t object to evolution fall into this category. Unfortunately I haven’t found any hard data to back this up.

    3. Completely agree. Remember this poll was commissioned by the church. More objective ones suggest the percentage of true believers is 40% or less, and the percentage of practitioners much less.

    4. In my, obviously limited, experience, people claim to be christian because they think they are making some kind of statement of superior morality but don’t see as a religious claim.

    5. The 2011 British Social Attitudes Survey noted:

      One in three (31%) in 1983 did not belong to a religion, compared with one in two (50%) now. The largest decline has been in affiliation with the Church of England, which has halved since 1983 (from 40% to 20%).

      More recent surveys haven’t covered religious belief specifically.

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      1. PS. The BHA website quotes the 2015 YouGov poll that found 49% saying they are Christian while 42% say they have no religion.

        And according to a Guardian story, a 2015 Win/Gallup International poll showed: • The UK is among the least religious countries in the world, according to a new survey. In a global ranking of 65 countries, the UK came six places from last, with 30% of the population calling themselves religious.
        • While 53% of people said they were not religious, only 13% said they were a convinced atheist and the remainder did not know how to define themselves.

        It’s not clear what the missing 17% said…

  8. Love recommendation #4. Way to spin it, CoE! “We should evangelize our families, because it will only tick off 80% of them. There’s still 20% who might listen to us!”

  9. I’m slightly surprised at the proportion giving some level of credence to the resurrection. It doesn’t gel with the other findings, nor my own perception. It’s a bit like asking someone if they believe in god, and getting the reply ‘no’, but when asked if they are an atheist also says ‘no’.

    The trouble with this type of survey is that it asks questions of people about things many have never really considered. And in some ways perhaps that is the telling point.

    1. It occurs to me that some fraction of the “resurrection kind of happened” either have in mind that the crucifixion part was real, or more likely that Jesus was executed and died, but various friends had dreams or visions of him afterward. Perhaps…

  10. Has there been a similar poll done in the USA? I know there are plenty about a belief in god or which religion a person belongs to, but how many ask about that kind of understanding of the identity of Jesus? This may be an overly cynical comment, but there’s a lot of ignorance among religious Americans about so many things, so I do wonder how ignorant they actually are of their own faith. I know that atheists regularly do better than believers on Bible quizzes and that sort of thing, so I do wonder how many people really understand what it is they say they believe in.

  11. Isn’t the whole reason for the existence of the Church of England that Henry VIII (a very religious man) wasn’t pleased with his first wife and that he coveted church lands?

    1. It was the brick that broke the camel’s back, but he was able to piggyback on a broader dissatisfaction with Rome, monastery’s being incompetent landlords, clergy being tried for secular crimes in clerical courts with other clergy as judge and jury etc.

      1. As far as I’m aware, doctrinal disputes (aside from Henry’s frustrated annulment from his marriage to Catherine of Aragon) played no role in the formation of the Church of England. Protestant rebellion was in the air, and doctrine played a huge role in the Reformation elsewhere, but Henry’s motives were personal and financial.

        1. Attending an Anglican service is very much like going to mass (that is, after Vatican 2 and the non-Latin liturgy). With this ‘crucial’ difference: the Church of England rejects the doctrine of the ‘real presence’ at communion.

          1. t’s becoming more uncommon now but at one time ‘High Anglicans’ called themselves Catholic – just not Roman Catholic.

          2. I don’t think doctrinal differences on transubstantiation played any role in Henry’s split with Rome. After the split doctrines diverged, which is an excellent example of the arbitrary, unfalsifiable nature of faith.

  12. Any similar figures for Scotland? I ask because I have a good friend who was a Presbyterian missionary (who knew there were such) in Scotland (of all places).

    He basically never inflicts any of that on me, but if pressed he’ll resort to the “Everyone needs to believe in something” trope.

    1. From the 2011 government census in Scotland:
      Christian – 54%
      No Religion – 36½%
      Not stated – 7%

      The balance is Muslim, Sikh, etc.

      Details here.

  13. Richard Dawkins has more than once referred to the Church of England as one of least toxic forms of Christianity, and said he was glad that was what he grew up with.

    An earlier 2015 report stated that Sunday attendances in the Church of England have gone down by half to 800,000 in the last 40 years, and its membership is mostly older folks which includes the clergy.

    It seems to be simply going out as a symptom of age. It’s relatively progressive political and theological stances have not helped it. (They had their first female bishop last year, though they have lagged behind their American Episcopal counterparts on homosexuality. As early as 1860 [sic] they allowed belief in universal salvation- no one in hell.)

  14. This survey is extremely heartening but what does annoy me is the bit about reaching those in education. Outrageously it is still the law in the UK that there be a session of religious worship during each school day. This isn’t enforced by the government but it is used by god bothering head teachers to push religious mumbo jumbo on the kids. My own daughters (aged 11 and 9) frequently have to sit through religious assemblies at their secular school. This usually involves a priest coming in to tell them how much Jesus loves them etc. Even with kids of such a young age it seems to backfire though; rather than believe any of this rubbish they and their friends regard it as silly charade.

    1. That is correct. But it is not particularly god-bothering Headteachers but interfering church authorities who set the tone in UK ‘church’ schools. For instance, some dioceses, not content with compulsory religious assemblies, are now demanding that CofE schools introduce ‘prayer corners’ in classrooms so that pupils can be encouraged to, well, ‘pray’. Some of us are trying to put a stop to this.

  15. Although it is good news to hear that Christianity is decreasing in England and in Europe generally, missionary activity is increasing in Africa.

    Apparently, about 25% of the world’s Christians now reside in sub-Saharan Africa. The upside to this is that the missionaries also provide aid to this impoverished continent. The downside, of course, is the religious indoctrination of an already gullible, superstitious and largely uneducated population.

    If only they would provide the aid without the religious zeal!

  16. It is indeed some time since anybody here thought that god was also an Englishman. I believe it is now widely thought that he moved to America and thus is of no further interest to us.

  17. I’m curious as to why the report doesn’t capitalize “him” when referring to Jesus. As in the Recommendations for Church Leaders section, #3: “Let’s point to Jesus himself, who calls all of us into relationship with him.” Is this a Church of England thing? Some other tradition? Or just a random oddity?

    (I’m not complaining, of course – it just strikes me as odd that an obviously Christian-sided report wouldn’t capitalize JC’s pronouns.)

  18. During a recent trip to London, I spent a morning at St. Paul’s. A formidable place–architecture, atmosphere, history. At 12:30, there was a communion service at the cross-point of the cathedral, with a woman priest presiding and a couple of acolytes helping out. Perhaps a hundred people assembled in an arc around the portable altar. Some, like myself, were curious; others were communicants, who held cheat-sheets from the ‘Book of Common Prayer.’

    Frankly, the ceremony was dead. The priest didn’t read with any particular feeling, the congregation mumbled their responses, and the droning waves of sound from on high in the great cathedral often carried everyone’s words away.

    It was a rite by rote, and as at Father Mackenzie’s funeral service for Ms. Rigby, I’m pretty sure that ‘no one was saved.’

    An established church: whited sepulchre. St. Paul’s is now a great civil monument, a Roman-like tribute to England’s once-mighty empire. Monuments to Wellington: the tomb of Admiral Nelson: a crypt full of worthies, some of whom were most unworthy. A place for ceremony and, at best, choral and organ music. But not a place of worship, if by the word we mean opening a path to transcendence.

  19. Missionaries in England have their work cut out for them. It’s one thing to debate the teachings of Jesus, it’s another thing to prove he even existed!

    1. As an atheist who is not from Abrahamic religion background, even I am stunned at how pervasive the idea that Jesus was not an actual historical person is. Granted, of course, he was not a God or prophet, but at he very least he was an apocalyptic street corner carnival barker. Well, I suppose to the church is just as bad as if he was entirely mythical.

      I once heard a New testament scholar, Bart Ehrmann I think, emphasize that even amongst his scholarly peers the notion that Jesus was not an actual historical person is in the fringe minority.

  20. I’m actually quite surprised at how high the proportions for religionism are, but as noted above there is doubtless a lot of under-reporting of disbelief.

    My subjective impression is that there is a lot more religion around now than when I was a kid in the 70s. Back then only a few oldies were religious, nowadays there are religionist schools wherever you look and there seems to be far more religious offence-mongering.

    Similarly, high levels of immigration from places where they haven’t yet escaped from religion has also introduced, or reintroduced, large chunks of religionism.

  21. Ah-ha, given the age profile of most of the remaining congregation of the C of E it’s only going to take one particularly virulent winter influenza epidemic and the church is finished.

  22. “The findings, which present one of the gloomiest pictures ever about the state of Christianity in Britain…”

    Gloomiest? Most encouraging, surely? Guess we know where the Telegraph sits on the issue.

  23. The Bishop of Bristol, the Rt Rev Michael Hill, admitted the findings had been “greeted with disbelief” … well it’s not as if he has any other stronger responses in his arsenal, is it?

  24. In my Village among my Neighbours there is no-one who could be described as Religious apart from my immediate Neighbour who describe themselves as Pagans but I think thats to put off the Jehovahs Witnesses who occasionally call, though they have stopped knocking on my door since I told them I was an Athiest. My youngest son on the other hand who is also an Athiest tries to engage them in a discussion on the non-existence of Yahweh.lol

  25. I wonder why one of the suggestions wasn’t
    to attempt to emulate the actions of the biblical Jesus instead of trying to talk to others about him? I’m an agnostic who believes that the fall of Christianity is being brought on by people who call themselves Christian yet behave with cruel judgment of others while rejecting the humility, compassion and acceptance of their Christ. It’s one thing to talk it, quite another to live it.

    1. That’s nonsense.

      Muslims outnumber Christians in only two countries in Europe: Kosovo and Albania.

      After that, Muslims are more than half the number of Christians in only two countries: B&H and FYR Macedonia.

      After that, Muslims are more than quarter the number of Christians in only one country: Montenegro.

      After that, Muslims are more than 10% the number of Christians in only five countries: Bulgaria, Russia, Georgia, France and the Netherlands

      In all other countries (more than 35), the number of Muslims is less than 10% the number of Christians.

      For Europe as a whole, Muslims are less than 10% the number of Christians.

      It is not “already happening”.

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      PS. Based on data from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_by_country

  26. The question of whether Jesus was an historical person is similar to the question of who really wrote Shakespeare’s plays. All we can say for sure is that it was someone who called himself Shakespeare. I’m partial to the idea that the Jesus myth was created from whole cloth by the Roman Empire to pacify Palestine.

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