‘I’m offended’ is not an argument

June 18, 2015 • 10:45 am

by Grania Spingies

On my way to work this morning I saw this go by in my Twitter feed:

My eyebrows raised a little, not the least because Paul Levitz (DC Comics president) once wrote:

The Sandman became the first extraordinary success as a series of graphic novel collections, reaching out and converting new readers to the medium, particularly young women on college campuses…

The Sandman series is a pastiche of genres such as horror and fantasy, full of religious and cultural references, and constitutes a multi-volume story of the eponymous Sandman “Dream” who is the anthropomorphised  lord of the realm of dreams. The stories are filled with supernatural entities, violence, betrayal, history, legends, angels, demons, lovers, justice, judgement, death and love, as well as Dream’s siblings Death, Delirium, Desire, Destiny etc. You see the general pattern here.

It’s certainly not to everyone’s taste, but the same can be said of any comic book, or indeed novel of any genre. The series also employs the talents of a host of artists whose styles vary greatly. Although I prefer Gaiman’s “written” novels to his graphic novels, The Sandman series is certainly a rich canvas to explore and I am not surprised that they have turned up in college English courses. However, I am not here to defend Gaiman’s work, as neither he nor his work needs my justification to exist or be read and discussed.

Redland Daily Facts reports that a student is protesting their inclusion in her English Literature course:

“It was shocking,” Shultz said. “I didn’t expect to open the book and see that graphic material within. I expected Batman and Robin, not pornography.”

I’m glad she hasn’t spotted the reckless child endangerment implicit in, say, Frank Miller’s rather good Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, let alone the (completely non-sexual) full body hug between a naked, wounded Bruce Wayne and the underage female Robin, ‘cos then we’re all going to be trouble (see below):

She doesn't make a sound. Good soldier, good soldier.
She doesn’t make a sound. Good soldier, good soldier.
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An aging Batman and new sidekick Robin, aka Carrie, on discovering they are not dead after a brutal encounter with the baddies.

Ironically, Dark Knight was well aware of the self-appointed moral arbiters of society, and there are several sequences in the novel that poke fun at experts pontificating on the negative social impact of The Batman.

However, back to Dream of the Endless and the allegations of pornography. Well, the books certainly contain images of violence and death and sex—themes that are fairly typical in practically every novel or play ever produced since humans first started writing fiction. Or history, come to think of it. And of course, graphic novels are, by their very nature, graphic. Whether they are pornographic is up for interpretation. After all, one woman’s porn is another woman’s Sunday afternoon entertainment. They are certainly not intended as pornographic though; nudity and sex, where it occurs, is integral to the plot. It’s graphically depicted if only because I don’t think that any graphic artist/novelist has managed to envisage a way of drawing in a non-graphic way yet. I’ll put up a couple of examples beneath the fold. They are certainly NSFW, although I would maintain these are pretty far from being pornography.

Still, I don’t object to Shultz finding it offensive, or making her thoughts on the subject public. She is completely entitled to do that. This is the bit that bothers me:

“At least get a warning on the books,” Shultz said. “At most I would like the books eradicated from the system. I don’t want them taught anymore. I don’t want anyone else to have to read this garbage.

Once again we have someone deciding that because they don’t like something, no-one else should be exposed to it. Of course, once again, I’m not arguing that she has no right to express this opinion. I have a problem with her proposed solution which is to suppress a book and deny it to all other students doing that course.

This isn’t a high school; it is a tertiary institution. While many of the students are undoubtedly still quite young (Shultz is 20), they are presumably all above the age of consent, old enough to marry, old enough to join the military and die for their country, old enough to drive a car, and (most of them) old enough to vote. It is curious that she thinks that books containing fairly commonplace adult themes are too adult for her peers.

The other three novels she objected to were “Fun Home” by Alison Bechdel; “Y: The Last Man, Vol. 1” by Brian Vaughan; and “Persepolis” by Marjane Satrapi. I haven’t read them all, but I have read the autobiographical Persepolis – it’s a fascinating account of life in Iran during and after the Revolution, and the relegation of women to the status of second-class citizen as the national government moved away from “Westernisation” and promoted the Islamification of dress and behaviour instead.

This scene is of the author as a child, the adults are her parents discussing the aftermath of a rally to protest the imposition of the veil on women.

I can’t imagine why anyone would want this book removed from a college course. But again, whether one likes the novel or not, there is a huge leap between finding something offensive and deciding that nobody else should read it or discuss it.

Let me bring the subject closer to home. I’m done with discussing the subject of abortion. I live in a country where it is still functionally banned, and I’ve yet to hear a coherent argument from any anti-choice advocate on why it is morally sound to force a woman to bear a child against her will. I find listening to the medically inaccurate and morally dubious arguments of anti-choicers on why a woman can be reduced to a breathing incubator nauseating—to the point where I don’t want to hear the stuff ever again. But it has never occurred to me to suggest that those who wish to ban abortion should be silenced. There are multiple reasons why this would be wrong: for one, this debate can be won only if the nay-sayers are challenged and debunked. For another, it is an act of extreme egotism to insist that your version of what is right is the only version that deserves to be heard.

Perhaps the most compelling reason why books and ideas should not be censored is this: who do we trust in society to make those decisions for us? I would hope that we trust nobody but ourselves to judge what we wish to read and think about and debate.

And below the fold, a couple of NSFW images from The Sandman series. I promise you, you will not go blind.

Both of these are from The Sandman: Endless Nights. In this one the protagonist of the story visits the local village witch (and purveyor of dubious love potions) for advice on how to win the heart of the village Casanova. She bribes her with sausages. Suggestive, sure. Porn? Your mileage may vary. (No, the picture doesn’t extend any lower).

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The next is from a tale of a count who cannot die because he has locked Death out of his island, and has locked himself into a daily cycle of excess and debauchery and then penitence (confession and then self-flagellation). One of the points of the story is that life eventually ceases to have meaning without death and the count has trapped himself in a nightmare existence until the story’s protagonist unwittingly opens a way for Death.

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The hooded character is not Death, it’s a monk come to hear the confessions.

Of course these are single cells out of context, the images may be violent and explicit; but they are not gratuitous. But even this is somewhat misleading. The average page in a Sandman novel looks more like this:

or like this:

or like this:

85 thoughts on “‘I’m offended’ is not an argument

  1. A foolish virgin, perhaps: no oil in her lamp.

    Thanks for the post, Ms. Spingles, and I loved the graphic graphics from the graphic novels.

  2. I read Persepolis when I was in high school, as well as Neil Gaiman’s novels, and Batman. They’re not as bad as how she thinks they are (for our school to think they were appropriate to begin with), and I enjoyed them, so that bit about her trying to get them banned is a bit unsettling, especially for a fan of them. Hope this doesn’t gain any traction or ground (and I doubt it will), because trying to ban something just because she doesn’t like it is ridiculous.

    1. I watched the movie. It was only okay, but the concept (of an Iranian woman putting down her experiences growing up during the revolution in graphic novel form) was quite cool; I can’t imagine how someone could label it pornographic or offensive.

      Unless reading about how life is not all rainbows and sunshine for some people offends you. I guess that’s something of what we’re seeing: “it didn’t end with them living happily ever after…I’m offended!”

  3. I’ve never read graphic novels, not even as a kid, but even *I* wouldn’t be naïve enough to think that a college lit class on graphic novels would stick to 1970s-style bam pow Batman and Robin stories. That’s about as bad a gaffe as taking a Shakespeare class and getting upset because you have to read material written in Elizabethan-era English.

    1. Yes that was a weird comment: “I expected Batman & Robin”. Really? On an English Literature course? What did she expect in the classic fiction section – The Da Vinci Code?

  4. Your title reminded me of something Christopher Hitchens once said (if memory serves):
    “If someone says to me ‘That’s offensive!’, I say ‘I’m still waiting to hear what your point is.'”

    1. Exactly. I want to know who the heck this woman thinks she is to decide what’s appropriate for a tertiary English class or any other adult?

      I’ve just deleted several more paragraphs of comment. The first one says it all really.

  5. She says she had no warning, except that it was a college level comics as literature course. I’m not sure why she didn’t expect works that would deal with uncomfortable or disturbing subjects. Has anyone found a full list of the class’s books? I’m curious about the ones Schulz didn’t find offensive.

    I’m guessing the course didn’t include Berserk.

    I might need to look at my local university’s own catalog to see if they offer a similar course. It sounds pretty interesting.

  6. Looking at what she objects to, I think maybe Ms. Shultz would feel more at home at Oral Roberts or Liberty.

  7. Perhaps the most compelling reason why books and ideas should not be censored is this: who do we trust in society to make those decisions for us?

    The people who call for censorship almost always imagine that they (or people like them) would be in charge of government censorship. When you make them aware of the possibility that they *won’t*, then they suddenly don’t like the idea.

    I liken it to the child’s cut the cake game (if you slice the pieces, then I get first choice). If you play a similar “you decide on government’s power to censor…and I decide what they censor…and oh by the way, I don’t like your ideology” game, pretty much everyone decides government shouldn’t censor. The only way they can support their ‘government ought to censor’ position is by assuming that they get to cut the cake and then also choose the first slice.

        1. I’ve seen it reported that there’s a fair bit of consensus on things like some of Twain’s work, alas. Fortunately for the most part even together these groups are fringe.

  8. I highly recommend seeing the movie based on the Persepolis graphic novel. Assuming the movie accurately portrays the novel the student’s objection to the material stupefies me.

  9. Graphic novels? You mean comic books, right? Comic books as required reading in college? Huh. I had no idea I was reading college-level material when I was 10.

    1. I suggest you take a trip to your local bookstore to see what’s on offer. You might find that today’s graphic novels bear about as much resemblance to what you read when you were ten as Christian Bale does to Adam West.

    2. Not required at all; the student signed up for an elective class on graphic novels. Then got upset when they handed her Sandman and Persepolis.

      I get the sense that maybe the complaint has more to do with the novel in “graphic novel” than the graphic part. She clearly isn’t familiar with the genre, so she obviously doesn’t read it for pleasure or enjoy it. I get the feeling she expected to be able to hold her nose, read some Marmaduke, and get an easy A. When they handed her Persepolis, she realized that instead of signing up for an easy class reading literature she had no interest in, she’d signed up for a hard class reading literature she had no interest in.

    3. You maybe read children’s novels too but those probably wouldn’t be included on the reading list for a conventional literature course either. Like any other media, graphic novels can be used in all sorts of ways and for all kinds of audiences with differing degrees of sophistication.

    4. I assume that the course in question is not a REQUIRED course. Was she aiming for an easy A?

      Seems to me one would have to read a LOT of such comics to get in as much reading as one would have gotten in an English Literature course of yesteryear.

      How well would the reading of the prose of these comics hold up without the drawings?

  10. IIRC, it was on Nitty Gritty Dirt Band’s album Stars & Stripes Forever, on which one of the singers relates this, in a story:

    Something (premarital sex?) was supposed to make you go blind… so, he said, “I only did it ’til I had to wear glasses.”

    1. The “that which makes you go blind” that is most commonly used in that old saying / myth is masturbation. The same sources also claim that it will cause hair to grow on the palms of your hands.

      1. Someone wrote to a sex advice columnist (I forget who) and asked if masturbation will make you go crosseyed and insane. The advisor allowed that it was true but the effect wears off after a few minutes.

        1. An excellent response from the adviser.

          Interestingly, I remember reading about a study some years ago that claimed to have found that when women orgasm that they momentarily lose the ability to control themselves (can’t remember how exactly it was phrased), but that men do not.

          In other words, if a male/female partnership just so happened to achieve the much sought after simultaneous orgasm, and at that moment were attacked by a horde of rabid squirrels, the woman would be helpless but the man would be able to run for his life.

      2. Reputedly, long ago, the headmaster of an English boarding school was asked by a prospective parent what measures the school took to prevent the boys masturbating. The parent’s astonishment and disapproval on learning that no such measures were taken was countered with: “well it never did you or me any harm did it?”.

  11. Censorship is very much like religion in the way it affects some people. They immediately want everyone else exposed or prevented. It’s as if they are the cookie cutter for all of us.

    Regarding your comments on abortion I would offer one bit of advice and that is to totally ignore any comments or input by male anti-choice types. They have no standing in this area until such time as they start having kids. That will remove a good part of the noise.

    1. Censorship is very much like religion. For those offended, there’s always a plot of land in rural Pennsylvania or Chihuahua if you need to get away from it all.

  12. Single word summary: WOW!

    So she is offended by some graphic novels, she can just not read them, drop the course and go on with her sheltered life.

    But, no, true to form she wants the books banned. What’s next? Banning Shakespeare for violent and sexual content? Someone has some serious growing up to do.

    This course sounds quite interesting to me, and I like graphic novels as a literary artform.

    1. The incident offers a good ‘teaching moment’ about banned books or banned art. An instructor can produce samples from books that have been banned from time to time, such as Huckleberry Finn and The Catcher in the Rye.

      1. Indeed, maybe one could even teach a class just around the subject of banned books. Pick a few different ones from different decades and have the students try and figure out if there is some trait they have in common that could explain their banning. I think the students would quickly come to appreciate the fact that the only commonality is that somewhere, sometime, someone didn’t like them.

        1. We studied banned books at high school when I was 14. One I remember is that the children’s book Black Beauty was banned in South Africa not for its content, but the title.

      2. In comp 101 I had to do a paper on The Postman Always Rings Twice. I must admit, I did protest to the professor. Not because of the sexual content, no chance of that. I just thought it was a deadly boring bit of writing (despite the sexual content, which is saying a lot!) and I wanted something better to work with.

        1. That brings up an interesting point. Why so often do teachers assign books that were popular with our grandparents or older? At least that was my experience. We barely read anything that was even remotely contemporary.
          And while I am grousing, why do music teachers emphasize ancient popular music? Why not some Beetles or music from Star Wars?
          Get off my lawn.

          1. Look on the upside: they aren’t ruining subjects you came into the class liking.

            I had a friend who took a class in Sci-Fi lit. We’re both fans, but I am a bit older and had read more. After he proudly showed me the curriculum (“look what I get to study!”), I had to break it to him that the prof had chosen some real stinkers, from the selection it appeared he (the prof) was obsessed with oddball sex themes over solid stories, and thus the class wasn’t going to be as fun as he expected.

          2. As far as the music’s concerned, probably because the students will encounter the Beatles and the Star Wars score on their own. Bach, Scarlatti, Brahms, anything by Beethoven that isn’t the first mvt of the 5th? Probably not on their own.

          3. I so agree with you about the lousy choice of literature to study. In the sixties we got Dickens, H G Wells, Graham Greene, a whole host of tedious pompous overblown tripe. The only stuff that was remotely readable was Shakespear.

            Of course it may be true that being compulsory would kill the enjoyment so it’s just as well we weren’t forced study (and hence spoil) any interesting authors.

          4. I’ve never read H G Wells but I don’t agree with your assessment of Dickens and Graham Greene.

            I am sure you are right though, that making it compulsory to read something is a good way to spoil it.

          5. I’ve never read Dickens, but Greene was good. I recall we read Day of the Triffids too.

            But once we had a student teacher who had us buy some paperbacks: The Plague, Bring Larks and Heroes, Rosemary’s Baby, and The Collector. Usually the school provided books.

            I can’t say that reading anything for school made it less enjoyable.

            More recently I read The Albatross, and there was hardly any mention of birds, there was only one picture, and no maps, diagrams or tables of relevant data. I was disappointed by that.

          6. The Day of the Triffids was by John Wyndham. Quite different style from e.g. Wells.

          7. The Beatles contemporary? I thought they produced most of their music about half a century ago…

            For one reason or the other people always assume things in Music, if you like Baroque music (I’m a great fan, basically the only music I can handle -no pun- in the morning), it is immediately assumed you don’t like modern music, say Usher, Adele, Nora, Macey or Mario -to name a few I would call ‘remotely contemporary. I do, and I like classical Indian music and African music, Jazz and ‘World Music’ and, and, etc.

            I even like some Kwaito (although some -no ‘snowflakes’, but elderly- appear to be ‘offended’ by the latter.

            As in literature, there is no ‘good’ genre, only good (or not so good) books or good and not so good music. I mean, some ‘detective’ or SF novels are brilliant. There is even some good ‘Country’ music.

          8. Absolutely right!

            PS: you can handle baroque music in the morning and you can also come bach to it later in the day! (sorry!)

          9. Hah!

            And, I agree with you and nicky. It really seems claustrophobic to me to limit yourself to any particular genre of anything. Certainly genres can be useful things for categorizing stuff grouped by common characteristics of some sort. And those common characteristics of one genre can be more aesthetically pleasing generally to an individual than other genres.

            But, I’ve nearly always found that, at a minimum, I like the best examples of any genre of anything. Music, writing, art, food.

    1. Offense is the parameterization of boundary conditions one happens to live by that day. Tomorrow, it could be something else: what was once unendurable becomes unequivacle ambivalence and vice versa.

  13. You can only even !*begin to consider*! something as pornography if it is clearly has the main intent to sexually arouse the viewer. (or at least present a fantasy scenario of blatantly unethical behavior as fun). Gaiman has done neither.

    Gaiman got indirectly in some trouble with a print story that was a pastiche on C.S. Lewis’ Narnia books entitled “The Problem of Susan” which is also sexually graphic in a highly un-Lewisian way.

    When the New York Times magazine ran a story on one of the forthcoming Narnia movies, they included in one paragraph a graphic description of the graphic part of on Gaiman’s prose story. They got at least one letter of complaint from an irate parent that they couldn’t let their youngsters read the Times article.

    You can read the Times piece (with spoilers of Gaiman’s story) here.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/13/movies/the-narnia-skirmishes.html

    The story is in Gaiman’s anthology “Fragile Things”.

  14. If there must be censorship, self-censoring is the only way to go. Only you know best what offends you and can, therefore, prevent its’ presence in your life.

    Somewhere around here, I have a list of banned books. It’s amazing what some people think shouldn’t be read. If such people had read the Bible or Shakespeare, these works probably would have ended up censored or banned.

    1. The Song of Songs…

      Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth!
      For your love is better than wine;
      your anointing oils are fragrant;
      your name is oil poured out;
      therefore virgins love you.
      Draw me after you; let us run.
      The king has brought me into his chambers.

  15. A nipple, a suggestively consumed sausage, and a butt crack: seriously? I’ve seen worse at my local Walmart around 2AM and trust me, there were NO trigger warnings!

    Perhaps a blanket disclaimer might do the trick. “WARNING: You will be exposed to elements of the REAL WORLD at this university. You may be offended. If you have concerns over this, please spend your college fund at Disneyland, we strongly endorse ‘It’s a Small World’. You’ll probably fit right in.”

  16. Great article!

    Of course, in the spirit of the article I can voice my opinion, it will be largely off topic anyway.

    I’m a comic fan, if not of the voracious type. And while I like the Dark Knight some it makes too much of the “normal-but-hard-working human vs have-it-too-easy superman” theme of many DC, nay US super-person comic, worlds.

    Speaking of boring (which Gaiman isn’t, entirely), Sandman is the very archetype. So it is magic, including ‘gods’, and the simplistic idea that super-types are modern magic persons seems all too factual. Maybe it is my cultural context, and there are always exceptions. But the rest of the world and especially the very real visual ‘magic’ of eastern asian comics are my home base. Super or magic personalities is not for me, it is too constraining, it is too repetitive – if Hollywood restarts Spider man 4-5 times, DC has restarted their ‘alternative worlds’ n-th times with n >> 5 – it is … well, boring.

    Back on topic:

    They are certainly not intended as pornographic though; nudity and sex, where it occurs, is integral to the plot. It’s graphically depicted if only because I don’t think that any graphic artist/novelist has managed to envisage a way of drawing in a non-graphic way yet.

    Nudity and sex are of course integral to the plot because it makes it interesting/selling. There are lots of bodily traits that (thankfully!) most texts or graphics leave alone.

    I can sympathize with the sentiment that it becomes “too much, too often”, but people can always chose not to partake. (Except in ads, which is quite correctly an arguable area.)

    1. What comics are you into? Have you read any Judge Dred? The Walking Dead series can be down right traumatizing – way darker than the TV series.

  17. I find Gaiman unimaginative and puerile in his fascination with showing “naughty pictures” and making everyone have feet of clay, but I certainly don’t want them eliminated and no one else to be able to read them.

  18. I like Justin Zimmer’s warning. It’s similar to the one I’ve suggested for college students who are “offended” by stuff like that: WARNING: In your many things may happen that you don’t like, and eventually you’ll die.

    You’re supposed to be at college to grow up. If someone gets offended by things they run into in a literature class, perhaps they should stay home, pull a blanket over their ears, and suck their thumbs.

  19. “At most I would like the books eradicated from the system. I don’t want them taught anymore. I don’t want anyone else to have to read this garbage.”

    Oh, I so agree. Can we _please_ adopt this excellent lead with regard to Graham Greene, H G Wells, and Charles Dickens?

    Because I know I’m right because my taste is impeccable.

    cr

  20. I’d say this young lady doesn’t really know what porn is.

    And ‘Persepolis’? That this person would like such a moving story to simply disappear is worrying.

  21. “At most I would like the books eradicated from the system. I don’t want them taught anymore. I don’t want anyone else to have to read this garbage.”

    Entitlement much?

    Where is this mentality coming from?

    1. “Where is this mentality coming from?”

      This kind of righteous egotism very likely comes from religion. Only religion can tell you that your views on morality and, especially in puritan US, views on taste, come from God and therefore should be absolute and universal.

  22. I found this quote from the LA Times article telling:

    Shultz, 20, was joined in the protest by her parents. Her father, Greg Shultz, said, “If they [had] put a disclaimer on this, we wouldn’t have taken the course.”

    We?

    1. Miss (and family), here’s your disclaimer:

      “If you are so woefully ignorant of what Graphic Novels are as a genre that you think you’ll be reading Sunday Post cartoons or Archie comics, you are probably not ready for this class.”

  23. Light is the best disinfectant.

    As one who is widely regarded as dangerously heretical (albeit on a small scale [I said, knowing full well that omitting such a belly-exposing submissive gesture would open me to banishment.]) by many and perhaps more generously by some, I have been dis-invited many times. Even one individual whom I suspect lurks around this blog, has tried to get me kicked off a podium at least once, and apparently succeeded in getting my contract cancelled at least once, does not want people to hear my speech.

    My point is that this phenomenon is common, and not at all rare. I have come dangerously close to being asked to leave this blog.

    The essence of intellectual discourse is exhaustive exchange of ideas and evidence, not to persuade others to a point-of-view, but to explore the depths of our own ignorance. Unfortunately, much so-called intellectual discourse boils down to grammar-school spats of the category of “My Dad can lick you Dad–can, can’t, CAN, CAN’T,” however well-disguised by the infantile authoritarian, egocentric personalities that range across the spectrum from unknowns to celebrities.

    Is it “human nature” to put winning above all else?

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