Vatican newspaper screws up the theory of evolution before criticizing it

February 11, 2015 • 1:19 pm

Is the Vatican down with Darwin? I don’t think so.

Apologists often argue that many churches have no problem with evolution, trotting out the Catholic Church as an example.  Well, that’s not quite true. The Church has sort-of endorsed evolution, but it also endorses the historical reality of Adam and Eve as our ancestors, and also accepts human exceptionalism in the form of our having a soul that God somehow inserted into our ancestors. Further, in 2009, 27% of American Catholics described themselves as young-earth creationists, bucking their church in the direction of being more conservative. So I’m not really happy with the Church’s form of god-guided “theistic evolution,” nor their insistence on a two-person bottleneck of Homo sapiens that is completely contradicted by genetic data.

My view that the Church has problems with evolution is supported by an article that just appeared in  L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican City newspaper. Although it doesn’t speak officially for the Church, it does give us some notion of how the winds of official Catholicism are blowing. And for evolution they seem to be ill winds.The piece in question is written by Carlo Maria Polvani, identified by Wikipedia as a priest with science training:

Carlo Maria Polvani. . . is a Roman Catholic priest and currently a member of the Committee for the reform for the Vatican Media since his appointment in July 2014.

Polvani was born in Milan. He was educated in the Istituto Leone XIII and then in the Collège Stanislas, he earned a Baccalauréat Français Section Scientifique avec mention in 1982. He enrolled in McGill University, Canada in the Department of Biochemistry and received in 1985, a B.Sc. with honours and in 1990 a Ph.D Dean’s Honour List, for his research on the enzymatic mechanism of the Sodium Potassium ATPase.

But his piece, “Whyy are there no penguins at the North Pole?”, is replete with errors and misunderstandings, perhaps because Fr. Polvani didn’t really learn much about evolution during his training in biochemistry. The upshot of  the piece is that modern evolutionary theory is in deep trouble because it is not predictive—it can’t tell us what will evolve and what will not—and because of that it needs a New Paradigm. The title of the piece is its message: evolutionary biologists don’t have a good explanation of why there are no Arctic penguins!

If this wasn’t in L’Osservatore Romano, it wouldn’t be worth discussing, for it’s just one more antievolution piece from an ignorant person. But if this reflects some current in the Church, we should pay a bit of attention. But just a bit!

Evolutionists will cringe at the errors in Polvani’s article. Here’s some big ones, for instance, that crop up when the good Father is trying to explain natural selection:

When, however, mutations cause more competitive characteristics to emerge, they tend to express themselves in subsequent generations by disruptive selection (one phenotype eliminates another), stabilizing selection (a phenotype is established in a population), or directional selection (the particular characteristic of a phenotype is strengthened).

Umm. . . not exactly.  Leving aside the confusing phrase “mutations tend to express themselves,” the definition of disruptive selection is completely wrong. It’s actually selection for two discrete phenotypes at the same time, with the intermediate types being at a disadvantage. An example is the Pyrinestes finches in Africa studied by Tom Smith, in which birds are selected for either thick or thin beaks because of the presumed bimodality of seed types, and those with intermediate beaks leave fewer offspring. And the definitions of “stabilizing selection” (which really means that an intermediate type is favored and deviants in either direction from that type are disfavored) as well as of directional selection (one extreme of a phenotypic distribution is favored, like selection for increasing antibiotic resistance in bacteria)—are equally muddled.

In other words, Father Polvani doesn’t seem to understand what he’s talking about. But let’s get to the meat of his argument—those missing Arctic penguins. First he brings up Popper’s criterion of falsification: that if Darwinian evolution is a real scientific theory, it should be possible to show it to be wrong—to make observations that would falsify it. Polvani says that we can’t, implying that we can always make up a story to save the modern theory of evolution, rendering it impervious to refutation and thus invalid as a theory in the Popperian sense.

What, says Polvani, has cast doubt on evolution? The fact that we don’t see penguins at the North Pole! Yep, listen up:

The Darwinist position implies that statistically, the genotypic mutation of wings into fins would have also occurred in birds living in other areas on the planet, such as, for example, the rainforests of Sumatra, but since in that environment the phenotypic features offered no competitive advantages, the penguin did not establish itself there. The same Darwinist position, however, implies that in the Arctic zones, similar in many ways to those of the Antarctic, species similar to the penguin might have been expected. Instead, there are none. To explain this absence, many Darwinists frequently use a deductive or ‘top-down’ approach, pleading the existence of causes not yet explained experimentally in order to justify an unforeseen observation.

There would be no lack of Darwinists prepared to support the idea that the presence of predators like polar bears, who live exclusively at the North Pole, could possibly be the reason for the absence of penguins in the boreal zones. Although, this line of argument might even prove valid could such an experiment take place, it is nevertheless tainted by a tautological logic: in fact, one cannot base a theory on an observation and then, when such a process results in an unsatisfactory conclusion, invoke the theory to justify the observation. This limitation is reinforced by the fact that, as things stand now, the Darwinist position, contrary to other scientific theories, has nothing to brag about with regard to predictability, that is, the capacity to correctly predict future observations on the basis of theoretical postulates. Indeed, there is not a single biologist who can forecast if and when penguins might appear at the North Pole, not even assuming the hypothetical extinction of polar bears due to global warming.

Look, it’s true that we can’t completely explain the absence of penguins at the North Pole, or of any aquatic, non-flying birds there, because any number of things could explain this historical phenomenon (or non-phenomenon). The right ancestral species might not have been in the area, the ice pack, which is different from that in the Antarctic (Antarctica, after all, has LAND under the ice), might not have given advantage to flightless birds, there might not be enough fish around, or the right mutations might not have occurred even if there were potential “penguinoid” ancestors. Polvani’s argument is like saying that cosmology is invalid because we can’t explain why there aren’t more than nine planets.  Evolution is a historical science that depends on many unknowns—including the absence of mutations in species we don’t even know about—and it’s dumb to make us explain why species are missing. Is evolution deficient because we can’t explain the absence of marsupial primates?

But that doesn’t mean that evolution doesn’t make predictions, or is not falsifiable. There were ample predictions about the presence of fossil intermediates, intermediates that have since been found—and at the right position in the fossil record. That began with Darwin suggesting in 1871 that human ancestors would be found in Africa, and continuing through the prediction and discovery of mammal-like reptiles, reptile-like amphibians, feathered dinosaurs, and, recently Tiktaalik, a possible transitional form between fish and amphibians whose date and location were predicted almost perfectly.

Further, evolutionists predicted, before they were found, “dead” or inactive genes in the genome, for when a trait is removed by evolution it’s usually by the inactivation of its genes—not their complete removal from the DNA. And so, as I describe in WEIT, biologists predicted and found dead genes for yolk protein in humans (we no longer need yolk to nourish our young), and also inactivated olfactory receptor genes in porpoises and whales (they descended from animals who smelled in air, but no longer need those genes since they live in the water).

Evolution further makes what I call “retrodictions”—the ability to uniquely make sense out of previously puzzling observations. These include the presence of hind limb buds on embryonic dolphins that later disappear, and the transitory coat of hair (the “lanugo”) that appears at about six months during human gestation and then is lost.

Finally, there are many observations that, if made, would cast serious doubt on the veracity of evolution.  The most famous, of course, is the finding of fossils in the wrong places, but I have a list of a dozen others. Another is the presence in a species of a evolved trait that ia useful only for members of another species, like teats on a lion that can be suckled only by warthogs. Needless to say, none of these observations have been made. In my book I note, “Despite a million chances to be wrong, evolution always comes up right. That’s as close to a scientific truth as we can get.”

But Father Polvani still feels that he’s inflicted mortal blows on Darwinism, showing that it’s unfalsifiable. And he still seems to think there’s something else wrong with it, though he doesn’t specify what:

A reading of John Paul II’s 1996 Message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences is enough to realize that few today doubt the evolution of life on Earth. This, however, does not alter the fact that the onus probandi (burden of proving) the precise scientific merit of the specifics of the Darwinist formulation of that theory still rests on the shoulders of its defenders.

I got news for you, Father Polvani: we’ve already shown its merit! We don’t have to do that any more!

Polvani goes on, giving a passing slap to Dawkins (of course):

In this context, it is rather paradoxical that proponents of scientific independence from the interference of religion — atheistic vehemence is manifest in Dawkins’ pamphlet The God Delusion (2006) — refuse to submit their thesis to a strictly scientific examination. Hence, merit goes to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences for having rigorously investigated, in 2008, the scientific basis of the evolution of life. The main threat to the scientific integrity of the theory of evolution, in fact, does not come from an alleged invasion of the field by theology, but rather from the incapacity of a certain self-referential science to recognize when it is time for a paradigmatic change, as philosopher Thomas Samuel Kuhn (1922-1996) indicated in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (1966), noting ironically that “only when they must choose between competing theories do scientists behave like philosophers”.

Sorry, Father, but the main threat to public acceptance of evolution is religion, for all creationism springs from religion, and every bit of organized opposition to evolution comes from religionists. You’d have to be blind to think otherwise. I’m a lot more worried about religiously-based creationists (and yes, that includes the 27% of members of Polvani’s church) than I am about the supposed fatal weaknesses in evolutionary theory that demand a New Paradigm.

And by the way, Father Polvani, exactly why do you think it’s time for that New Paradigm of Evolution?

h/t: Felipe

98 thoughts on “Vatican newspaper screws up the theory of evolution before criticizing it

      1. Indeed, the Great Auk was the first thing that came to my mind too.
        If I’m not mistaken it was limited to the Island of Jan Mayen? No polar bears there 🙂
        Still, Penguins are kind of common in the Southern hemisphere, but rare in the Northern one (even if we would include the convergent Great Auk).
        If we accept a wider, more ‘tolerant’ scope, we could say that auks and puffins do fill the ‘penguin niche’ in the Northern hemisphere [and, at risk of being shot down thoroughly, southern leopard seals -basically non terrestrial- and northern polar bears -still very able terrestrials-, which *could* explain why most of the Northern ‘penguin-likes’ can still fly].
        As a young child, I considered it a great discovery (and was fascinated by the fact) that the Arctic and Antarctic were quite differently populated. I took great pride in pointing this out to ‘grown-ups’ who put polar bears and penguins in the same landscape.

    1. Genus Pinguinus, the original bird called “penguin”. Southern hemisphere birds called penguins take their name from their resemblance to it.

      1. And thanks to a near-sighted priest, the auks were baptised and then judged to have half-souls [so they REALLY needed to be plucked to extinction].

    2. My first torpedo too.
      Until approximately 1850, the North Atlantic had a n indigenous species of ground-dewlling flightless bird, the Great Auk. So any “founder population” of southern penguins (say, caught by a bizzare current from the Galapogos) would have entered into a “packed” ecology. That makes survival much harder.
      Father Wossname knows less about recent ology and ecology than I do. And I know that I leave modern stuff to the twitchers, buggers and such like specialists, because I don’t know enough to make sensible comment. Unlike Father Wossname.

      1. I would second your argument about a ‘packed ecology’, but not that it was packed by the flightless Great Auk, which was limited to the tiny Jan Mayen Island. The niche is packed by still flying fishing/swimming birds like auks and puffins, methinks.

        1. No, it wasn’t limited to Jan Mayen.

          http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/242880/great-auk

          “They bred in colonies on rocky islands off North Atlantic coasts (St. Kilda, the Faroe Islands, Iceland, and Funk Island off Newfoundland); subfossil remains have been found as far south as Florida, Spain, and Italy. … The last known specimens were killed in June 1844 at Eldey island, Iceland.”

          Their problem really was humans.

        2. The Great Auk was limited to Jan Mayen? Wikipedia disagrees with you – as does scuttlebutt about the inhabitants of St Kilda who appreciated the taste.

  1. Polvani is a creationist that doesn’t understand evolution? That puts him in the same position as every other creationist. But Polvani did appear to be well educated and eloquent. I wonder if he applies the same skepticism to his beliefs and faith.

    Can we have a new paradigm of Catholicism? I’m bored of Protestants and the paradigms that unleashed. I want a new and better Catholicism. Preferably with spaceships to send missions to alien worlds and then ignore the missionary bit.

    1. I fear that you will disturb my wife tonight. By the intermediate of me waking up screaming.
      I haven’t done that since I stopped cave diving.
      Much.

  2. I can tell you why there are no penguins in the Arctic. The arctic is connected to large continents (unlike Antartica) and those large continents have large predators… polar bears, arctic foxes, etc. that would really enjoy having penguins to eat. A big fat, flightless bird… yum.

    Why is population dynamics a problem for evolution?

    1. Right! And the cold-water swimming birds that do exist in or near the Arctic, like some species of puffin (or auk), can fly in the air to avoid predators.

      1. To a point, foxes tend to hang out below the cliffs when puffins start flying for the first time.

        And a really cool (smart as fox) thing is that they will kill all the birds that they can, then bury them in the permafrost to keep for later.

    2. …and penguins didn’t arrive on the scene until after the breakup of Pangea? Why aren’t there kangaroos in Alaska? or hedgehogs in Virginia? It all too complicated for my poor brain!

        1. Yeah, there’s Bast, the as-yet-undiscovered-by-mainstream-astronomers cat planet beyond the Kuiper Belt.

          Eight it is, plus dwarf planets in the Asteroid and Kuiper Belts (Ceres, Vesta, …; Pluto, Sedna, …).

          /@

    1. Thirteen.
      The accepted eight. Plus Pluto&Charon (9), Ceres (10), Vesta (11), arguably Eris (12, relatively steadty light curve), Chiron (13)
      And I could probably make a case to move the number up.
      I accept the IAU’s case for “clearing the orbiitap regon, to a degree. But I’ve always looked more to the materials-science aspect, where if the object attains enough mass to start to rearrange itself into a spheroid (defne limits) then it also releases connsiderable amounts of energy which allows for differentiation. Hence Europa (and others) internal oceans, but also the internal differentiatttin exposed by later mpacts in the interor of Vesta, Ceres et al.
      This argument isn’t over. The number “9” probably is, but the argument (on easily defensible scientific grounds) isn’t.

  3. What a naive argument.

    “The Darwinist position implies that statistically, the genotypic mutation of wings into fins would have also occurred in birds living in other areas on the planet, such as, for example, the rainforests of Sumatra, but since in that environment the phenotypic features offered no competitive advantages, the penguin did not establish itself there. The same Darwinist position, however, implies that in the Arctic zones, similar in many ways to those of the Antarctic, species similar to the penguin might have been expected.”

    The key words there are “similar” and “might”. Certainly, members of the Alcidae family share many morphological features with their penguin cousins (streamlined bodies for effective diving and swimming, decreased dexterity in flight, black back and white front, etc.). And for all those similarities, to my knowledge, those two families are quite far removed from each other on the tree of avian evolution. But since one group flies and the other doesn’t, they aren’t “similar” enough for Father Polvani? Perhaps he should look a bit less naively on the beasts of the earth.

  4. Oh, I can play this game. What happened to the north american camelops, where’s our camels? And the Buffalo Head Cichlid (Steatocranus sasuarius), why didn’t north america get Buffalo Head Cichlids, we’ve got rivers. That must prove evolution is false.
    I can haz PhD in biotheodicy.

    1. IIRC camels (in a loose sense) evolved n the Americas. Some migrated to Eurasia and thrived. Te original populatiins evolved nto llamas and related beasts.

  5. Can theists predict what their god will do next? Wouldn’t it be lovely to be able to predict the natural disasters that he’ll send to punish sinners ahead of time? Afterwards, everyone has no problem telling us why it happened, yet curiously, they’re not very good at knowing when and where they’ll happen in advance. Perhaps they need a New Paradigm if they can’t predict such things.

  6. So Richard Dawkins is “just a journalist,” and his thorough and thoughtful 300-page book is a mere “pamphlet.” If these are the arguments against his work, I’d hate to think of the judgment on Einstein’s papers on relativity and related phenomena: they are literally pamphlets! Not big, fat, gilt-edged doorstops like The Bible!

    The Church is an ancient, venerated organization founded on the eternal and inerrant word of God – and they demonstrate this by taking multiple sides on any issue that matters, so believers can pick and choose which eternal and inerrant word they like this week.

  7. I’m confused.
    How is the lack of penguins at the North Pole any more remarkable than the lack of rhinos or elephants in living wild in the Americas? Surely there are places in North or South America which would closely mimic the native climate of these beasts.
    Why should we expect to find exactly the same species in similar climates thousands of miles apart anyway?
    Am I not getting this?

  8. To anyone’s knowledge, has anyone like this guy or Michael Behe ever attempted to follow this line of thinking to its logical conclusion. If ID is true, then what is the purpose of science? If God is guiding everything, then how can we make sense of any type of information? Should humanity stop doing science? Or is science merely the attempt to understand the mind of god? Has anyone even attempted to use ID to make reasonable predictions?

        1. Maybe the answer is so secret, they can’t say it out loud, so they have to twerk it to each other in Morse code.

  9. proponents of scientific independence from the interference of religion…refuse to submit their thesis to a strictly scientific examination. Hence, merit goes to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences for having rigorously investigated, in 2008, the scientific basis of the evolution of life.

    Bwa haha. Ha. Is he serious? His argument is, “hey, you evolutionary biologists haven’t produced and submitted any research papers to the Vatican for our review. But we came up with a few papers that we discussed amongst ourselves, so our evidence is stronger than yours”?

    Mel Brooks should use Fr. Polvani in his next movie. He’s doing a fair imitation of the “what hump/what mole” routine, only this time it’s “what journal.”

    The main threat to the scientific integrity of the theory of evolution, in fact, does not come from an alleged invasion of the field by theology, but rather from the incapacity of a certain self-referential science to recognize when it is time for a paradigmatic change, as philosopher Thomas Samuel Kuhn (1922-1996) indicated in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (1966), noting ironically that “only when they must choose between competing theories do scientists behave like philosophers”.

    Challenge accepted, Fr. Polvani. You show us a competing theory that has some decent evidence behind it, and we’ll behave like philosophers. But you can’t do the former. Haven’t been able to in a couple hundred years. We aren’t holding our breath any more.

    Its very tiresome to constantly hear all these ‘other ways of knowing’ claims, when the people who claim to have another way of knowing never describe how to do it or produce any results from it. We’re pretty open to the concept, actually. But, like any sales pitch, its up to you to convince us why we should invest in your product. Repeating “its better than what you got, its better than what you got” ad nauseum without any details or any record of past success is not very convincing.

    1. Maybe by “paradigm shift” he’s trying to bring back Jesuit priest Teilhard de Chardin and his idea that a force impels the universe to evolve towards higher and higher levels of Consciousness. The public ate that one up with a spoon in the late 50’s (the scientists chewed it up and spit it out.)

      I’m sure it’s demonstrative of the deep connection between science and spirituality to reintroduce it with a flourish and claim it was ahead of its time.

      1. I don’t mind if they introduce it again. Hypothesize away! Research it to your heart’s desire!

        …just don’t expect us to change our methodology until you have some evidence that your revised methodology produces discovery and innovation faster and cheaper. Ya gotta use it to build a better moustrap before we buy it, in other words.

  10. Either the Arctic is suitable for penguins or it isn’t. Let’s assume it is, or Polvani’s argument falls down.

    In that case, though, I think the absence of Arctic penguins pushes us slightly towards a naturalistic explanation and away from a supernatural one. Why didn’t God put penguins in the Arctic, if it would make so much sense for them to be there? He, presumably, can do anything at all; but the forces of natural selection are more limited.

    The presence of penguins but not bears at one end of the Earth and bears but not penguins at the other screams “arbitrary historical contingency” to me.

    1. This is a good point – contingency is one of the ways in which religions (and the philosophy of religion) are grappling with evolution and not getting it. I mentioned this at a (pre-)Darwin Day talk I gave for the local CFI group on Saturday.

  11. The RC Church has prided itself upon being a Church of pure and applied reason as well as Faith. Particularly from the time of Aquinas. Arguments for the existence of God have included design arguments from the appearance evidence of teleology in nature as well as the apparent logical necessity for a first cause. Reason cannot contradict the evidence of creation or of Faith. They have to be mutually consistent.

    It is a wrench for the Church to have to move to a position of its tenets being purely based on Faith. Faith, in despite of reasoning from the evidence of nature, rather than, as hitherto, complementing such it.

    It is this deep ancient attachment of theology to the territory of natural science which makes a mockery of Gould’s notion of dual magesteria.

    My reading of John Paul’s 1996 message on evolution is that he accepted the physical sciences of evolution without reservation, but not as they apply to the human mind/soul:

    “The sciences of observation describe and measure, with ever greater precision, the many manifestations of life, and write them down along the time-line. The moment of passage into the spiritual realm is not something that can be observed in this way—although we can nevertheless discern, through experimental research, a series of very valuable signs of what is specifically human life. But the experience of metaphysical knowledge, of self-consciousness and self-awareness, of moral conscience, of liberty, or of aesthetic and religious experience—these must be analyzed through philosophical reflection, while theology seeks to clarify the ultimate meaning of the Creator’s designs.”

    Dualism is the default position of the RC Church. It wants to carve off self-consciouness and all that goes with it as belonging to its magesterium – beyond the reach of science. This must inevitably bring the RC Church into conflict with science.

  12. The absence of penguins in the Arctic is one of many examples of biogeography. It is a good example of evidence for evolution with historical contingency. Their evolutionary history in the Southern continent is known, appearing in those areas while the continents were breaking up to be the ones we know today. Today they still on the Southern land masses, dispersed not so by their swimming but by tectonics. They live on the Antarctic, but the priest does not seem to know that penguins are also native to South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand. They did not more recently cross a great expanse of temperate zones to get farther north to the Arctic, although I do not know why. But there are lots of examples of this sort of thing. Some species just are not great at swimming or walking long distances.

    Evolution does not guarantee that just b/c a group could thrive in a place that they will ever get to that place.
    Other examples of this sort of thing:
    a) There are no native cactuses in the vast deserts of Australia or Africa.
    b) No polar bears in the Antarctic.
    c) No monkeys with prehensile tails in Africa or Asia.
    d) Frogs and freshwater fish are not found on islands of volcanic origin.
    All of this depends on humans not introducing them to these foreign lands. When they do, they can thrive and even be a serious problem.

    1. …and no kangaroos in the Kalahari, even though marsupials exist on more than one continent.

      Of course the ‘real’ answer to ‘Why are there no penguins at the North Pole?’ is that the original pair(s) turned South rather than North when they left the Ark [snigger].

  13. I am 65 and was taught in Catholic School that Adam and Eve were just stories and were not real. There were certain nuns and priests that believed science. I don’t think that Pope Francis believes that Adam and were real people. I argued with the people on the Catholic Answers web site that they were not real and got barred from the site.

  14. You only have to look at New Zealand bird diversity to see what happens when there are no terrestrial preditors. Some become flightless, this could go part way to explaining why penquins never moved to the artic or more to the point, why they did not evolve there.
    The yellow eyed penquin of NZ nests deep in native bush as it has no fear of preditors. Antarctica penquins would also have required a cold ocean current as seen around the Galapogos Is. which are in the tropics to make a migratory bee line for Artic shores from Antarctica.

    1. There used to be big flightless seabirds in the northern hemisphere. In addition to that Great Auk everyone’s talking about, there were the considerably older plotopterids. So the true story is just about the vagaries of contingent extinction, not any particular environmental factor.

  15. Like others, I was thinking the same thing about the great auk, which sadly went extinct in the mid 19th century due a certain species of ape which seems to specialize in causing mass extinctions.

    In fact, the great auk was the original “penguin”, but only in the sense that it was the first flightless, arctic bird to be called that. The term “penquin” would later be used to describe the flightless semi-aquatic bird species of the antarctic and southern hemisphere because of their resemblance to the great auks. However, as I understand it, auks and penguins are not in the same bird grouping, so they are an example of convergent evolution.

    There’s not much more I can say that hasn’t been addressed by Professor CC and others, except that I agree that Polvani seems pretty clueless to me, but what else is new when it comes to evolution denialists, even the ones who partially accept it? I’ve always thought that the Catholic Church’s quasi-embrace of evolution is the ultimate example of you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

    I’m still waiting for the Pope or some Catholic leader to tell us at what stage of human evolution did their God insert a soul into humans. It will be total nonsense of course, but I’m sure I’ll have a good laugh. Maybe having a “soul” is connected with bipedalism?

    1. One consequence of the ‘only humans have souls’ dogma is that before humans evolved the world was a soul-less place.

      It still is of course.

  16. Father Polvani:

    A reading of John Paul II’s 1996 Message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences is enough to realize that few today doubt the evolution of life on Earth.

    It what universe does that sentence make any sense? Sorry but Father Polvani strikes ma as somewhat of a blowhard.

    1. It makes sense to me. However, the next sentence is what really matters:

      “This, however, does not alter the fact that the onus probandi (burden of proving) the precise scientific merit of the specifics of the Darwinist formulation of that theory still rests on the shoulders of its defenders.”

      Since he has been making some ignorant criticisms of evolutionary theory, he has to show he is not contradicting John Paul II.

      However, he is contradicting JP, in so far as the latter made no criticism of evolutionary science as it applies to origins of species or any current observations of biological species. On the face of it JP found the science on these matters to be very impressive. Rather, he claimed human consciousness and conscience to be outside the scope of science.

      Polvani is adding criticisms of evolutionary biology that are nowhere implied by JP. Criticisms that Jerry has shown are ignorant. We shall have to see whether the new pope chooses to say anything on the subject. If he does he will have to be rather more careful in what he chooses to say than Polvani. Until then John Paul’s words are the RC’s authoratitive words on evolution.

  17. Jerry, I really love this post. I’ve always considered biogeography one of the strongest arguments of evolutionary theory (as you, of course, did elaborate in WEIT).

  18. What this proves, although it might need more study, is that a heavy education in theology makes any further study in a real subject pretty much a waste of time. If the pope is looking for a place to save money, this could be one.

  19. Well, I guess I’m going to have to reread “Mr. Popper’s Penguins”. As I recall the Admiral takes the penguins to the North Pole for release. I wasn’t thinking about it at the time, but that would have been wrong. Unless it was being done experimentally to determine if they would survive there.
    It could be that such an experiment, if the birds didn’t survived, would falsify Darwin in a Popperian sense. Does anyone know the results? Were they published. Maybe we’ll never know.

  20. Does there seem to be something pretentious in the way Carlo Maria Polvani uses people’s full names?
    God, eh. It seems a bit rich for someone who’s fundamental beliefs rest on absolutely no evidence at all, except personal subjective experience, to demand such
    Further, even if there were some validity to that kind belief (god, faith), it is crushed by the incoherence and inconsistency of other versions of that belief paradigm around the world.
    If there were a hundredth, a thousandth, a millionth, bit of evidence for the existence of god and/or any particular version of religion, as there is for the truth and explanatory power of the theory of evolution I may occasionally review my atheism. There never is.
    Even in the comments section here, there were put reasonable explanations for the questions posed by the article.
    What new paradigm does the good priest want? That god did it? Is not this the hypothesis that fails the falsifiability test completely?

    1. Re: your first comment.From the website, it looks like the paper is published in Italian and this is a translation. I would just attack the gist and probably not try and read a psychological profile or sinister motive out of the word choice of a translation.

  21. I read this part

    Although, this line of argument might even prove valid could such an experiment take place, it is nevertheless tainted by a tautological logic: in fact, one cannot base a theory on an observation and then, when such a process results in an unsatisfactory conclusion, invoke the theory to justify the observation.

    and thought, “People in glass houses, shouldn’t.”

  22. This text was sent to me by a Catholic friend and we exchanged a couple of comments about the text.

    One his comments was “you’re so concerned to guarantee that evolution is true that anyone who thinks differently is stupid/crazy/fanatic/religious and that you can’t open yourself to an idea that doesn’t confirm what you already know”.

    Second, and most important, he’d say that we can understand the answers of Polvani’s text, but we don’t understand the questions raised by philosophy, especially philosophy of science.

    1. Of course we understand them. What they don’t seem to get is that if there is some other way of knowing, other paradigm that is better, then we want to, y’know, hear what it is before we jump on the bandwagon. And call me crazy, but we might actually want to see it work before we buy it.

      If you want scientists to change they way they do science or abandont the TOE, its not enough simply to say that there exist other ways of knowing. You must describe the other way you want us to know, how it’s done, and show us how it beats the TOE in the explanation and prediction arenas. Use your other way of knowing to predict a fossil that the TOE would not predict existed. Use your other way of knowing to determine where it is. Dig it up and show it to us. Then we’ll start to listen.

      1. Eric, thanks for the comments. Of Course, I agree with you. In the second I opened the link I saw the mistakes in evolution and scientific method made by Polvani.

        I think all this arguments made by catholics (and other religious that “don’t” reject science) is cognitive dissonance at work.
        He loves to say that science born from Cacholic Church, which supported and financied science for years. Does anybody can give a good reference to debunk this claim?

        1. Why, yes, Jerry’s new book Faith versus Fact of course! You really asked at the right website.

          And Jerry just discussed Weinberg’s new book the other day:

          “It’s a great pity that Steven Weinberg’s new book on the history of science, To Explain the World: The Discovery of Modern Science, is coming out too late to be included in my own book, in which I discuss the apologists’ contention that science was an outgrowth of medieval Christianity. Weinberg’s book, whose existence I discovered through a Facebook post by physicist Sean Carroll, will be released Feb. 17 by HarperCollins.

          You probably know that Weinberg is a Nobel Laureate, having received the Big Prize in 1979 along with Sheldon Glashow and Abdus Salam for unifying the weak and electromagnetic forces—a step forward in physics’ drive to unify all four forces. And I knew he had a pretty deep knowledge of the history of science, for he’s written about it in his New York Review of Books articles. But I had no idea he was producing a book.

          Intrigued, I wrote Steve asking if he had any more information for my readers, and specifically asked two things: how he came to write the book, and why he thought that modern science seemed to derive largely from Europe rather than elsewhere. I added that I had been reading a lot of apologists who asserted that science was the product of Christianity in the Middle Ages. Weinberg responded by sending me two excerpts from the book that, he thought, would answer my questions. These excerpts are not on the Amazon site, nor anywhere else I can find, but here they are:

          “…

          Thus one can talk about the discovery of science in the way that a historian can talk about the discovery of agriculture. With all its variety and imperfections, agriculture is the way it is because its practices are sufficiently well tuned to the realities of biology so that it works — it allows us to grow food. I also wanted with this title to distance myself from the few remaining social constructivists: those sociologists, philosophers, and historians who try to explain not only the process but even the results of science as products of a particular cultural milieu.

          …””

          [ https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/02/09/steven-weinbergs-new-book-on-the-history-of-science-with-excerpts/ ]

          1. I read this post and I’m intrigued by Coyne’s Faith and Fact and also Weinberg’s book about history of science.

            However, they have not been released yet, so I can’t read them, and I can’t use any quotes and can’t reference it – there are no amazon’s look inside for those books yet.

  23. Along with the controversy as to the origins of the penguin you have the controversy as to the scientific classification of the leaf eating South American Stinkbird. To me it all smells of sophistIcated god-of-the-gaps.

  24. Although, this line of argument might even prove valid could such an experiment take place, it is nevertheless tainted by a tautological logic: in fact, one cannot base a theory on an observation and then, when such a process results in an unsatisfactory conclusion, invoke the theory to justify the observation.

    I have no idea what Polvani is about here.

    But usually when someone mentions “tautologies” in a criticism of empirical science, they are bait-and-switching on “circular arguments”. Because apparently the circularity that can appear now and then in hypothesis testing bother philosophers, forgetting that it is a temporary state of good enough prediction. (When observations goes into the construction of a theory, and it so happens the theory predicts at least the current observations.)

    Speaking of philosophers, I find it humorous when criticism on predictability concludes that the non-predictable and badly defined philosophic idea of “paradigms” is applicable. What happened with onus probandi?

  25. Why do you keep calling that man a father and abuse the term?

    He is not your father. Furthermore, if he is following even loosely the Vatican canon he shouldn’t be *anybody’s* father. It is a paternalistic abuse. And I don’t get why you are doing it too.

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