Ordering Faith versus Fact (i.e., do it now, please)

A kindly reader emailed me some information that I decided to investigate, to wit:

It would be a good idea to encourage everybody who follows WEIT and who intends to make the purchase not to wait, but to pre-order.

Your readers will help the book gain the attention of many more readers by pre-ordering at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Powell’s, or at an independent bookstore.  All pre-orders count as first-week sales, and the first week’s sales of any book affect its future by determining how many copies bookstores order, whether it appears on recommended lists, and so on.  So these are the best sales to have, because they can boost a book like yours into best-seller territory right away.

I checked with my publisher (Viking/Penguin/Random House) about this, and my editor and others told me not only that the information is correct, but also urged me (translation: demanded) that I put up pre-order information now and keep it on the site. (Pre-ordering links will be the same as ordering links, I suppose, and the book will be available May 19.)

Until I get my web designer to put in permanent links in the upper-right-hand corner, I’ll try to construct a “welcome” page that has the information below. I haven’t yet done this, and am not sure how it works, but it will probably be the page you see when you first click on this website. Do not be frightened when you see it!

As for now, and given the information above, I beseech readers to preorder Faith versus Fact rather than wait until it appears. Look at it this way: if you’ve read this site since the beginning, it’s an investment of less than $4 per year (1¢ per day), and you’ve never seen an ad except this one! Further, by May 19, you’ll have forgotten the expense. (And I’m told that Amazon, at least, doesn’t charge you until the book is shipped.)

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That would be a nice sale. . .

Here are three blurbs from those who have read the galleys:

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The truth is not always half way between two extremes: some propositions are flat wrong. In this timely and important book, Jerry Coyne expertly exposes the incoherence of the increasingly popular belief that you can have it both ways: that God (or something God-ish, God-like, or God-oid) sort-of exists; that miracles kind-of happen; and that the truthiness of dogma is somewhat-a-little-bit-more-or-less-who’s-to-say-it-isn’t like the truths of science and reason.

Steven Pinker, Johnstone Professor of Psychology, Harvard University, and author of The Better Angels of Our Nature


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Many people are confused about science—about what it is, how it is practiced, and why it is the most powerful method for understanding ourselves and the universe that our species has ever devised. In Faith Versus Fact, Coyne has written a wonderful primer on what it means to think scientifically, showing that the honest doubts of science are better—and more noble—than the false certainties of religion. This is a profound and lovely book. It should be required reading at every college on earth.

Sam Harris, author of the New York Times bestsellers The End of Faith, The Moral Landscape, and Waking Up.

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The distinguished geneticist Jerry Coyne trains his formidable intellectual fire power on religious faith, and it’s hard to see how any reasonable person can resist the conclusions of his superbly argued book. Though religion will live on in the minds of the unlettered, in educated circles faith is entering its death throes. Symptomatic of its terminal desperation are the “apophatic” pretensions of “sophisticated theologians”, for whose empty obscurantism Coyne reserves his most devastating sallies. Read this book and recommend it to two friends.

Richard Dawkins

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And here are the direct links for pre-ordering:
Finally—and I mention this in the book—let me thank the numerous readers who have weighed in on the science/religion conflict over the years. Without the ability to work out my ideas by writing on this site, and to get valuable feedback from you, I doubt that this book would have been written.
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210 Comments

  1. Michael Scally
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Done months ago by Kindle pre-order.

    • Sastra
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 11:59 am | Permalink

      Same here. I’m really looking forward to it.

      • Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

        +1

      • Fred M
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

        same here.

      • Les
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

        Pre-ordered for months. Will magically appear on my doorstep.

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

      Same here – by hard copy. (Amazon, I believe)

      I’m curious though, Jerry — is there a “best” strategy for this? Does it matter if the “votes” are spread across various outlets? Or would it be optimal if one site got a relatively huge bunch of orders?

      (I’m partial to Powell’s, actually, but pre-ordered Amazon at the first announcement)

      • Heather Hastie
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

        I ordered a hard copy long ago too.

        Although I haven’t done it yet, I was also planning to get it on my Kindle. I was going to wait, but if it’ll help, I’ll get onto to it now!

      • Lewis Goodell
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

        Same here.

    • eric
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

      Me too!

    • kelskye
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

      Wait, you can get it on Kindle? Damn Amazon and its regional locking. As an Australian, the Amazon store only shows a hardcover. FFS!

      • Marella
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

        Go to your Amazon account settings, click “manage your content and devices”, go to the settings tab, and click the “change country” button. You just have to enter any valid US address (use a hotel!) and away you go in the US Kindle Store.

        • Wayne Robinson
          Posted February 3, 2015 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

          Marbella,

          That doesn’t quite work. To have an American account you also need a valid American credit card to pay for your purchases. What you need is two accounts – an Australian and an American with an assumed American address. Then you give yourself a gift card from your Australian to your American account, and then any purchases on your American account (once you apply the gift card, which can be sent by email) are paid first from any credit balance first.

          You also need a second email address too. Just as long as it’s not the same one.

          • Wayne Robinson
            Posted February 3, 2015 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

            Marella,

            Damn spellcheck. Anyway, as an Australian, I’ve got it on order on my American account. Amazon is a little annoying in that you can change the registered account on the Kindle, and retain purchased content, but can’t do the same with the superior App on the iPad (changing the account automatically deletes all downloaded content in the Kindle App). So I have two iPads, one for each account.

            • Diane G.
              Posted February 3, 2015 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

              Why do Amazon’s version options vary by country in the first place?

              • Diana MacPherson
                Posted February 3, 2015 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

                Something to do with publishers and who has the rights to sell books where. It’s antiquated in a global environment and a total PITA for consumers.

              • kelskye
                Posted February 3, 2015 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

                Publishing rights.

                One of the annoying things about Australia is that our publishers still act as if Australia is an island in the middle of nowhere. So not only do we have a smaller range, we pay a premium for it. The digital era is worse because we now know just how badly we are being screwed without being able to do much about it in a legal way. It really sucks.

              • Diane G.
                Posted February 3, 2015 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

                Thanks, Diana and Kelskye!

              • infiniteimprobabilit
                Posted February 4, 2015 at 12:57 am | Permalink

                Exactly like DVD ‘regions’ in fact. Just another consumer ripoff.

            • Marella
              Posted February 5, 2015 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

              Weird, it works for me.

    • Diana MacPherson
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

      Yes I preordered on Kindle too. Knowing my habits, I will probably end up buying various different copies in different media. I did that with Steven Pinker’s Better Angels book.

      • Diane G.
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

        Well, if you do really know that, you should get them right now.

        Or are you just waiting to see if it’s any good? 😀

        (I’m joking, of course!)

    • jeremyp
      Posted February 4, 2015 at 10:50 am | Permalink

      There’s no Kindle option in the UK Amazon store. Is there any way to get them to make a Kindle edition available?

      • Posted February 4, 2015 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

        Yes, click the link to that effect lower down on the right of the product page.

        /@

  2. Posted February 3, 2015 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    It has been pre-ordered. Can’t wait!!!!

  3. Posted February 3, 2015 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Apologies, sir. I already preordered mine way back when you revealed the Albatross was done. Waiting for May 19…

    • GBJames
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

      Me, too!

  4. pk
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Please note that the links don’t work.

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

      The links do work for me, though the iTunes one was wrong, and I’ve fixed that.

      • Rick
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

        The iTunes link works. The other links take me to a webpage that looks like the access page for email at the University of Chicago.

      • Rodney Pettipher
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

        The links take you to a University of Chicago logon screen, so presumably they work if you are already logged on to the U of C, but not for us mere mortals.

        • Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

          Okay, I googled them all and replaced the links. If they’re not working now, could someone email me and let me know?

          Thanks!

          • Rick
            Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

            They all work now.

  5. Benjamin Branham
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Done for months, professor. But I’ll pre-order another as a gift!

  6. Jacques Hausser
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    It is preordered since some weeks already – but here in Switzerland, it will not arrive before end of June 😦

    • Rob
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

      Alright… if Jerry Coyne twists my arm like that. 😉
      Pre-ordered, but from amazon.de, because of free shipping to Switzerland.

    • Diane G.
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

      I’ll try not to post any spoilers…

  7. Igor
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Pre-ordered via Amazon about a month a go. Looking forward to reading this book.

  8. Richard Jones
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the reminder. Ordered the eBook.

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

      Where have you pre-ordered the eBook version Richard?

      I can’t see a Kindle version available at Amazon .UK or .Com

      Nor an option on Amazon to request Viking to make an eBook version available.

      • Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

        Slight correction. On the Amazon.uk page for this book I’ve found a link far down on the right which allowed me to request that the publisher make a Kindle version available. This leads me to believe that I can’t pre-order a Kindle version in the UK at least.

      • kelskye
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

        I have the same problem in Australia – the only book that shows up on AmazonDOTcom is the hardcover version.

        I’ve had the same problem with other books, I had to wait months for Rebecca Goldstein’s Plato At The Googleplex to have a Kindle version though it seemed to exist for Americans long before then.

  9. Randy Schenck
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    This is very good information and I would add, Pre Ordering does not mean you are paying ahead of time. At least on Amazon, they do not charge you until shipped.

    Adopt a Book for the Library as well.

  10. Woof
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    I *thought* I had pre-ordered this some time ago, but according to Amazon, I haven’t. My bad, but fixed.

    Sorry Professor Ceiling Cat!

  11. Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Just to add, how can Jerry not be chuffed by the blurbs of two Horsmen and a Horseman-in-Caliber! Obviously Pinkah and Dawkins are heavyweights whose opinion should count for a lot – but Harris is someone who chooses his words very carefully and always means exactly what he says: if he says the book is “lovely,” then I expect the Albatross is going to be an even better read than I had imagined. Really excited for May now!

    • Mark Sturtevant
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

      Little bits of content have been implied here and there. From this web site, and now from the reviewers. I was recently going over the WEIT book, and I still marvel at how nicely our host puts things.
      This is gonna be good. Endorsements like these make the case clear.

  12. Michael Day
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    “…the honest doubts of science are better—and more noble—than the false certainties of religion.” This should be on the cover of the Albatross!

  13. rodgerma
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Preordered the hard-copy for starters.
    I might get the Kindle version later, for mobile convenience.
    Great idea starting promoting your book here, and early.
    It’s your work, rather than advertising!

  14. Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    International links, too, please, PCC!

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  15. Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Links don’t work. They take you to some University of Chicago “Beware of Phishing Emails” page with a “log in” prompt and username/password fields. You probably can’t see them because you have a log in.

  16. Q-Tim
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Ordered a hardcover; I’ll likely end up also getting a Kindle version…

  17. keithf4
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    The link for Amazon is redirecting to a login page for the University of Chicago. Same goes for the others that are trying to redirect through it.

  18. Barry Lyons
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    I placed my pre-order with Amazon a few weeks ago. This looks to be a great book. I can’t wait to read it!

  19. scorpion
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    pre-ordered! this is a really convenient way to support the site and all your work. WEIT is my go to commute. Thank you.

  20. Kevin
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Any audiobook opportunities…read by author?

    I ordered two (to begin with)…one to be given to local library.

  21. Barry
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    At my age and overall state of health, I could very well be dead before it arrives. Oh well, I preordered it anyway. Does that mean I acted on faith?

    • Randy Schenck
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

      Just include it in the Will.

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

      On good faith, yes. Sorry to hear about the health/age concerns.

      If it helps any, if I don’t hear from you around May, I will try to hold a séance and we’ll all try to read it to you. We’ll make it a scientific séance. (a quantum séance, widely reported in the literature to be quite effective)

  22. John Landis
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Done!! I’m really looking forward to it.

  23. Gilbert Klapper
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    I can’t seem to use any of the links for pre-ordering your book, as I do not have a user name and password in the University of Chicago system. I am emeritus from the University of Iowa and now teaching one course formerly called historical geology in the Earth & Planetary Sciences dept. at Northwestern.
    Gil Klapper

    • Gilbert Klapper
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

      Correction: I just got into Powell’s site.

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

      I’ve fixed the links; they were corrupted.

  24. Joseph Stans
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    OK, OK, Mom. I did it. Is this the “albatross” or is that another book? I’m easily confused. Do I have hat on?

    My brain is being ravished by Jaques Barzun at the moment I’m all a dither.

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

      This is indeed The Albatross, which is now in flight rather than around my neck.

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

        You know this makes you The Ancient Mariner so you’ll have to travel around telling this story, especially at weddings.

  25. Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Might I suggest replacing the Amazon link with http://smile.amazon.com/Faith-Versus-Fact-Religion-Incompatible/dp/0670026530

    So anybody who has Amazon’s ‘smile’ program set up will automatically donate a portion of the purchase to their favorite (secular of course) charity?

    • GBJames
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

      Yes. Every time I buy on Amazon, a little coin or two lands over at the League of Conservation Voters.

      • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

        They’re a good choice. Mine goes to Doctors without Borders.

        b&

        • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

          Ben and GB: I’m writin’ this shit down. I was not aware of this. I need to do this as well.

          (I generally ignore all advertising, even the kind I might actually be interested in. Sigh.)

          • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

            And Squeaky — didn’t mean to leave you off.

  26. dadboyghost
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Done..and if anyone needs another reason why everyone should by this book check out the BBC website reports covering the vote in GB Parliament for scientific sense against the religious nonsense of three parent families.

  27. mclaughlinr
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    All the links go to University of Chicago. It’s easy just to go to Amazon.com.
    Ron

  28. Ionescu
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    You’re cheating professor! These are all your friends. Let’s see some W. L. Craig, D. Chopra, or T. Ramadan. Or how one creationist debated R. Dawkins: let’s see the other side.

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

      You’re not serious, are you?

      • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

        It gives me an idea, in any case. I’m going to ask Butter if he wouldn’t mind getting his gang together to make tons of Chopra accounts, praising the book.

  29. christiantellefsen
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Tried to order, and then I discovered I had already done so. 😀

  30. ChrisKG
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    I pre-ordered this on Oct. 7 of last year. I am ahead of the curve.

    • Joseph Stans
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

      No the good doctor is behind the curve – spent way too much time looking at lovely pornographic sculpture in India among other things. 😇

      • ChrisKG
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

        I’ve heard that. Although, I get a sense that I may already agree with the book’s contents. Oh, well.

  31. gunnerkee19
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    This is exciting. I am very much looking forward to reading this book.

    I want desperately for some of my nephews and nieces to read it due to their horrid catholic indoctrination and upbringing. I must be careful, though, which is ironic as one of the indoctrinators routinely sends catholic essays, histories, etc. to members of her family. It is quite upsetting, but no one in our family, other than myself, is willing to confront her on the topic of religion. She’s loud, opinionated, and quite knowledgeable on the various topics that directly and indirectly deal with science and religion. This scares everyone off, I’m afraid to say.

    BTW, I pre-ordered “Faith vs Fact” (or as I call it in my mind, “Bullshit vs The Obvious”) on January 11. My version is Kindle, so, just like the new release of new DVDs on Tuesdays, I can access it immediately when release day comes! CAN’T WAIT!

  32. TonyR
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the reminder, and the tip on the sales! Have ordered the book and look forward to reading it. Have enjoyed your posts and the discussions.

  33. Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Just ordered mine! Picked up another copy of WEIT while I was at it.

  34. Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Just pre-ordered via google books.

  35. rwilsker
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Done!

  36. Larry Metcalfe
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been wanting to pre-order this but it doesn’t seem to be possible to pre-order the Kindle version in the UK yet.

  37. Delphin
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Great blurbs but the usual suspects. Your publisher should want someone else blurbing too. I recommend a preacher condemning to hell all who read the thing, or at least JAC himself. A “Horrible, horrible” from Deepakity would be nice.

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

      +100

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted February 4, 2015 at 1:10 am | Permalink

      That suggestion reminds me of Banksy’s book ‘Wall and Piece’ which carries on the back cover: “No way are you going to get a quote from us to use on your book cover” – Metropolitan Police spokesperson.

  38. Golkarian
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    I was just wondering if it’s possible to see a Table of Contents (not sure how to phrase that so it doesn’t sound like a demand)? Or will amazon have a preview when it’s out?

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

      There should be a preview; I’m not supposed to show anything without permission. I even asked to make sure I could put the blurbs up today.

      • Golkarian
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

        I understand, thanks for replying.

  39. John Hamill
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Hi Jerry,

    I was unable to order it in Ireland (through either iTunes or Amazon). I’ve ordered it to a UK address though where I’ll be able to collect it … can’t wait to read it! Just thought I’d mention this in case you miss out on some other Irish pre-orders.

    John.

    • ashdeville
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

      Have pre-ordered from Amazon.co.uk so I’m expecting delivery to Dorset on the 11th June 2015.

      • kieran
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

        Would it be worth asking Chapters to order a copy or two?

  40. cbranch
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Done.

  41. John
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Pre-ordered and hoping it arrives before my holiday in late May.

  42. Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Those are awesome blurbs! Any chance you can get the three of them to flog pre-sales of your book amongst their own audiences?

    Also, Jerry, correct me if I’m worng…but, I do believe you’ll be happy to sign and forward any books we all order and have shipped to your University of Chicago address, correct?

    Cheers,

    b&

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

      Well, if the readers also send me enough postage for me to return the book to them, yes, I’ll sign it and send it on (but no drawings of cats!). Do remember that overseas postage is pretty expensive–often close to the price of the book.

      • Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

        🙂

      • Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

        Jerry, you should be able to designate a favorite bookstore in Chicago where buyers may pre-order copies that you will then inscribe for them at the store before the books are shipped. No need for you to be mailing books.

        • Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

          Not a bad idea. I’ll check with 57th Street Books, my local store.

        • Les
          Posted February 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

          +1

        • Scott Woody
          Posted February 3, 2015 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

          That would be “literary” in the post, my bad.

  43. redlivingblue
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Ordered my copy on October 1st. Can’t wait!

  44. Christopher
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    You should add the Amazon UK link. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Faith-Versus-Fact-Religion-Incompatible/dp/0670026530/

    Purchased! 🙂

  45. Jon Bagge
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    The book is not available on kindle in the UK. I’ve pressed the ‘I want to read this on Kindle’ button, so if more people do that maybe it will help. Or is it possible for you to request a UK Kindle release, Professor?
    Would be greatly appreciated.

  46. Randy S
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Done. Now set up a signing in Chicagoland so I can get it signed, since I missed out at the Dawkins event!

  47. Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    And done! I hope orders from Amazon Germany will count towards first-week sales too.

  48. darrelle
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    I was going to wait, for no particular reason, until the book was in stores. But I will pre-order at least one copy as soon as I can find what I’ve done with my Amazon sign in info.

    Excellent blurbs. I’m really looking forward to reading this book. I would like to send a copy to my mother. She is an amazing person and I love her as only a child can love their mother, but I don’t think she would appreciate it.

    • Ann German
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

      you never know . . . .

  49. Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Bought and eagerly awaited!

  50. Lee Phelan
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    I’ve ordered my hard copy from Amazon. I’m hoping we can send it postage paid both ways to Chicago for the obligatory autograph and perhaps a cat or, probably not, d*g.

  51. Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Jerry: Pre-ordered the first time you noted that it was up on Amazon for Pre-order. And I ordered the HB, which I now (with retirement beginning to dawn over the horizon) only do for very special books. 🙂

  52. bobkillian
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Will there be an Audible.com version? It’s how I commute.

    • FitzRoy
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

      Also interested in Audible. Audible is how I “read” most books these days, while driving.

      • darrelle
        Posted February 4, 2015 at 9:13 am | Permalink

        Benedict Cumberbatch would be a good voice choice. Though I don’t have any idea what his views on these issues are.

  53. Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    i preordered the second it was available!

  54. Michael
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    In Canada I pre-ordered from Indigo:

    http://bit.ly/16hguuL

    • MakingBelieve
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

      I have ordered from Indigo.ca as well.

      • Posted February 4, 2015 at 11:57 am | Permalink

        I’ll be doing this a bit later – but for one anyone who cares: you can order online and have delivery to a store, too.

  55. Julian C
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    I’ve preordered on Amazon Canada — the Kindle edition is available there too.

    Perhaps you could add that link, too?
    http://www.amazon.ca/Faith-Versus-Fact-Religion-Incompatible-ebook/dp/0670026530/ref=sr_1_1_twi_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1422991692&sr=1-1&keywords=faith+versus+fact+why+science+and+religion+are+incompatible

  56. arnieg
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Don’t forget to feed your local bookstore.
    With one purchase you can help Professor Ceiling Cat and local culture

  57. Mark Sturtevant
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Done. And it was so easy! 🙂

  58. squidmaster
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    I’ve now ordered two copies, one from Amazon and one from Annie Bloom’s, my local and beloved independent book store in Portland, OR. Portland is also home to Powell’s Books, which is a truly wonderful haven for bibliophiles of all persuasions.

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

      Portland, OR: Lucky you! 🙂

    • Timothy Hughbanks
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

      There’s one in Jerry’s neighborhood of Hyde Park too. As a broke postdoc, my wife, daughter and I spent many afternoons browsing the bookstores of Hyde Park. I hope they’re still there.

  59. Maria
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Ordered on Kindle!

  60. Pete Moulton
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Done. I must admit to being slightly disappointed that there’s no picture of an Albatross on the cover…

    • Posted February 4, 2015 at 2:28 am | Permalink

      OK…  

      /@

      • Posted February 4, 2015 at 2:29 am | Permalink

        (Now we know what the “A” stands for.)

        • Diane G.
          Posted February 4, 2015 at 2:33 am | Permalink

          lol!

          You do know they’re also called gooney birds, right?

  61. Keith
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Done! And thank you 🙂

  62. Carlos Allen
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Done, with much gusto!

  63. Capt. Yossarian
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Done. Looking forward to it.

  64. Reggie Cormack
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Pre-ordered. Probably the best investment I’ve made for some time. Especially if it helps keep WEIT up and running. I’m sure that I speak for the silent majority in thanking you Jerry for all the time and effort you put in to your site.

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

      “I’m sure that I speak for the silent majority in thanking you Jerry for all the time and effort you put in to your site.”

      Hear, hear!

  65. Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Ben–it should be possible for you to pre-order from a store in Chicago that Jerry might designate. Then he can visit the store and inscribe copies for those who have asked for signed ones, and the store will ship them out.

  66. mormovies
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    I just pre-ordered the book!

  67. tsbardella
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    I got mine. I also would love the audio book. If it is not too much I love Dr. Coyne’s voice but it may be to much time.

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

      Ask Stephen “Harry Potter” Fry to do it!

      /@

    • Greg Esres
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

      I buy several audio books per month and they are almost always read by professional actors. The one exception I recall is one of the “Great Courses” by Bart Ehrman, and he had so many “uhs” that it about drove me nuts. Having Jerry read his own book would be a big mistake.

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted February 3, 2015 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

        Not necessarily; I thought Sam Harris did a commendable job reading Waking Up.

  68. Muttley
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Ordered the HB for delivery to Ireland.

  69. Susan
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Been there. Done that. (In other words, preordered ages ago. Waiting semi patiently for May 19.)

    • Susan
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

      Note – there is no pre order available for an audio book version. Is it coming?

  70. Michael
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Already pre-ordered a few months ago, but I’m thinking about getting another copy or two, especially if…

    Do you plan on doing a book tour at all or anything promotional? If not a full blown tour, perhaps a store or two around Chicago or maybe even at the University book store?

    I don’t doubt you’ll keep us updated about any plans for that sort of thing. Or if there are no plans, it could be something to think about. It’s a win/win for everyone as many of us would greatly enjoy that sort of thing and you’re only up to sell more copies!

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

      Yes, there are some events in the offing, one for sure in D.C. and certainly some others, but the book doesn’t come out till May so it’s early days.

  71. Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Consider the book ordered. Have your WEIT if this book is half as good I will love it.

  72. Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    For Canadians, fortunately the Kindle version can be pre-ordered from Amazon.ca as well. I’m glad this is the case, because we often miss out on those (this being a country dominated by the inferior Kobo) It’s a lot cheaper to get it from Amazon.ca than .com because of the weakness of the Canadian dollar, which is only worth about $.80 these days.

  73. DSG
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    I ordered two
    one for me and
    one I’m going to send to Deepok Chopra .
    (he may need a pop up version with lots of pictures)

  74. aldoleopold
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Ordered. Looking forward to it!

  75. Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Done.

  76. NAY
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Sheesh! All this time, I’ve searching for “The Albatross”.

  77. Larry Smith
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Done and done. And I just started reading my new copy of WEIT during jury duty last week, and it is very good!

    • Posted February 3, 2015 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

      Did that elicit any comments from your fellow jurors?

      /@

  78. Posted February 3, 2015 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    I did not pre-order on purpose. I wait until it is out and then order 4-5 copies (I will give some copies to friends) in my local book shop. When my local book shop gets such an order (4-5 copies), they tend to stock more of them, in the ‘science’ section, of course, where 4-5 copies equates (sadly) to a best-seller.
    I’m really looking forward. Why is ‘Faith versus Fact’ referred to as ‘The Albatross’? Or am I mixed up there?

  79. keithf4
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Pre-order complete! I ordered it through the Skeptic Society affiliate link.

    http://www.skeptic.com/get_involved/affiliate_links/

  80. Vaal
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    I wanted to pre-order Faith versus Fact today from Amazon, but some bum “compromised” my credit card number and is having a nice spending spree in another country. I’ll have to wait for a new card to pre-order on line.

    I blame it all on religion.

  81. John Mitchell
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Done (through amazon). And I’ll be giving a copy to my brother as well. Thanks Jerry for your hard work and inspiration.

  82. samphire53
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Jerry, if the title of the book is to be Faith v Fact shouldn’t the two words ally with “Science v Religion”?

    As currently presented, it looks like Science ties to Religion and Religion to Fact.

    • Mark Joseph
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

      Chiasmus!

    • Diane G.
      Posted February 3, 2015 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

      That’s been talked about before here. I think it’s perfectly clear just the way it is, and that it reads more smoothly this way as well.

      Doesn’t hurt that the word “science” follows and right on the heels of “fact,” either.

      • Posted February 4, 2015 at 2:37 am | Permalink

        Yes, it’s actually a Classical device (via Wiktionary): Simon R. Slings, “Figures of Speech in Aristophanes”, in Andreas Willi (editor), The Language of Greek Comedy, pages 103-104

        Leeman therefore holds that chiasmus is the basic order in Greek and Latin: antithesis is, he claims, normal for the modern, rational mind, but for the Greeks and Romans chiasmus was more natural.

        It’s something that Steven Pinker advocates, too, in his discussion of appropriate use of the passive voice, that the writer should keep the reader’s attention on the last idea introduced.

        Think of it as a sweeping spotlight:

        Faith → → → Fact
        Religion ← Science ↩

        /@

        • Diane G.
          Posted February 4, 2015 at 2:48 am | Permalink

          Well, nice to know I’m in good company.

          😀

          • samphire53
            Posted February 4, 2015 at 5:56 am | Permalink

            Thanks, guys, I’ve learned something. But, reading this blog, I always do.

  83. samphire53
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Whoops, I meant “Science ties to Faith”

  84. Greg Esres
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    I had put off ordering because I couldn’t decide whether I wanted a Kindle or hardback. Although I love Kindle books for the convenience, people never can tell what you’re reading and you miss a good opportunity for a conversation.

    Under pressure, I went ahead and ordered the hardback. I wish they’d make an ebook where the screen wrapped around the entire device, so it could display a “cover”.

  85. Mark Joseph
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Pre-ordered a long time ago, and am eagerly awaiting!

  86. Wayne Robinson
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    There’s been a few comments that if you have Australian or British accounts on Amazon, there’s no Kindle edition available for pre-order.

    Two suggestions. 1. Add to Wishlist and check closer to the release date (May is a long way off and a Kindle edition may be available by then), or if you can’t wait, and are very impatient 2. Open a separate American account with an American address (1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is a good one) and a different email address and give yourself a gift card from your non-American account to your American account, and purchases are debited against any credit balance. Not recommended if you read books on an iPad though – changing accounts automatically deletes downloaded books. OK on Kindles.

  87. Diane G.
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Now that you’re distinguished, can we still call you PCC?

    • Dominic
      Posted February 4, 2015 at 4:11 am | Permalink

      The usual practice with a title in UK etiquette at least is to insert a greater title after the lesser title so the physicist John Polkingthorne is the Reverend Dr John Polkingthorne, KBE, FRS, & the chemist (& imho great bloke!) David King is Professor Sir David King FRS, HonFREng. Jerry would be perhaps Professor Distinguished Ceiling Cat Jerry A. Coyne, etc etc!

      • Diane G.
        Posted February 4, 2015 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

        Thank you, Dom, I will sleep better, now.

        😀

  88. Michael Garner
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Ordered. Now I must be patient and wait for its arrival.

  89. Hempenstein
    Posted February 3, 2015 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Done, via B&N – pennies more than Amazon but their free ship threshold is $10 less, & so added another title in the photography category for little more than the S/H would have been.

  90. Posted February 4, 2015 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    I’m still a strict hardcopy person – ordered that months ago!

  91. Jonathan Dore
    Posted February 4, 2015 at 2:53 am | Permalink

    Any news on a paperback edition?

  92. Posted February 4, 2015 at 3:42 am | Permalink

    Ordered. May 22-28 ETA.

    Mike

  93. Dominic
    Posted February 4, 2015 at 4:14 am | Permalink

    My question is will there be a separate launch in the UK, & a different edition?

    • Posted February 4, 2015 at 4:39 am | Permalink

      According to amazon.co.uk , it’s the same edition: Viking Books, 978-0670026531, to be published 19 May.

      /@

  94. moleatthecounter
    Posted February 4, 2015 at 4:50 am | Permalink

    Done!

    Best pre-order price I found (from the UK) was ‘Wordery’, which was cheaper than Amazon in fact, which is nice.

    • Posted February 4, 2015 at 5:47 am | Permalink

      Oh, that’s a good find. They seem to shave a little of most of amazon’s book prices. I’ve made a trail order with them.

      /@

  95. AJ
    Posted February 4, 2015 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    Done. Congratulations on already achieving #1 bestseller status in “science and religion” on the German Amazon site.

  96. Chris
    Posted February 4, 2015 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    Not available for pre-order on Kobo in the UK so dead tree version ordered!

  97. Posted February 4, 2015 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    I want to buy the book, but I usually buy books for Kindle.
    Does ordering Faith versus Fact in Kindle edition achieves the same goal that is helps the future of the book?
    Since Kindle is only available at Amazon, I’m not sure that pre-ordering the book in Kindle version will actually achieve this same goal.

    Thanks

  98. Eric Wojciechowski
    Posted February 4, 2015 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    You said, ” Without the ability to work out my ideas by writing on this site, and to get valuable feedback from you, I doubt that this book would have been written.”

    I was just thinking sometime ago how it must be difficult, wanting to spend more time on biology and evolution and such, but to constantly have to beat back the bad ideas. In Richard Dawkins, “Greatest Show on Earth”, the opening chapter begins with being a hypothetical teacher of ancient Rome. And now imagine having to constantly push back against fools who want to undermine your work and convince others the Romans never existed.

    Must be very frustrating to waste resources. Perhaps in a few hundred years, our ancestors will review our archives and wonder why we spent so much time battling ghosts and goblins.

  99. Posted February 4, 2015 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    If consciousness doesn’t *do* anything, then there is no *evidence* for it. If reductionism/determinism is true, then to view your fellow humans as conscious aka having “minds” is a form of unscientific faith.

    No?

    • darrelle
      Posted February 4, 2015 at 9:22 am | Permalink

      Nope.

      • Posted February 4, 2015 at 10:01 am | Permalink

        How about seeing stones, or storms, or volcanoes as having minds? What specific measurements have been performed on humans to conclude they have “minds” ? Do you believe in reductionism / determinism (+quantum randomness if you like)? If a quark doesn’t have a conscious mind, and a molecule and so on to an individual neuron, and a thing is the sum of its parts, what empirical problem does a theory of “mind” solve? Thank you.

        • Posted February 4, 2015 at 10:07 am | Permalink

          You know, the state of knowledge has improved in the millennia since Zeno.

          Place a grain of sand on a table. Add another. And another. And keep adding grains, one at a time.

          At what point do you no longer have a collection of a few grains of sand, and instead have a pile of sand?

          Where is the pile in the single grain?

          Until you can convince me that there is no pile of sand because it’s just a bunch of grains, I’m not going to be impressed with naïve reductionist objections to consciousness such as the one you raise — and I rather doubt Darrelle nor anybody else here will be, either.

          b&

          • Posted February 4, 2015 at 11:48 am | Permalink

            Pile is a word people use. Grain is word people use. There is never a point that X# of grains become a pile. This whole example takes place at an extremely *casual* level of analysis.

            If one person insisted that the a volcano, by rumbling, was consciously demanding a virgin sacrifice, and 2nd person brought in geologists to point out that all of the volcano’s behaviors could be explained using simple physics, would you scoff? referring to the geologist’s explanation as amounting to a “naive reductionist objection” to volcano consciousness? why or why not?

            • Posted February 4, 2015 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

              You’ve got the most bizarre definition of, “consciousness,” if you think it’s a property that volcanoes possess. Perhaps you should back up and clarify what it is you think you mean by the word…?

              b&

        • Posted February 4, 2015 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

          “and a thing is the sum of its parts”

          Well, that’s clearly not a valid premise.

          Water is wet; H₂O molecules aren’t.

          /@

          >

  100. JonLynnHarvey
    Posted February 4, 2015 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Amazon lists this is “#1 New Release” in …. Religious Studies.

    • Posted February 4, 2015 at 10:04 am | Permalink

      I saw that too, but when I clicked it, the #1 actually was a book by CS Lewis, and Jerry’s was in 2nd. Sam Harris’s Waking up was in third.
      It surprised me to see Bill Nye’s latest book about evolution ranked in that same list, as “religious studies”.

      • Posted February 4, 2015 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

        Well, FVF certain studies religion … and finds it wanting.

        This listing is a good thing; it can be found by folks who wouldn’t be looking for books on science or atheism.

        /@

  101. Posted February 4, 2015 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    As an author myself, yes, it’s true about how pre-orders can push a book to the best seller lists. I’ll go order mine now. However, for the sake of your local independent booksellers, get your second and third copies for gifts/giveaway from them! We need to keep these folks in business because they’re the ones who will keep hand-selling your book for years. Amazon won’t.

    • Posted February 4, 2015 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

      Why Amazon won’t keep selling the book for years? I mean, Coyne’s Why Evolution is True is still selling at Amazon.

  102. Delphin
    Posted February 4, 2015 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Read it and weep

    http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2015/02/science-vs.-religion-ravi-zacharias-fields-a-question-citing-agnostic-thinkers.html

    This laughable site is full of such stuff.

  103. DSG
    Posted February 4, 2015 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    jerry, if you do a book tour, any chance of stopping in las vegas??…(I am buying three copies-one for me and each of my kids gets their own copy).
    thanks.

  104. azoomer
    Posted February 4, 2015 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Also available for pre-order in google play books. ☺

  105. Posted February 5, 2015 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    Pre-ordered the Hardback. When is Kindle out?

  106. Posted February 5, 2015 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Just pre-ordered two; one for me and a second one to lend around. I hope that’s okay with Professor Ceiling Cat and the publisher.

  107. Vaal
    Posted February 5, 2015 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Ordered!

    Can’t wait for the book.

  108. sjl
    Posted February 7, 2015 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Already done — & I cannot wait to crack it open!

  109. Posted February 8, 2015 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Ordered. Hardcopy from Amazon.


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