Jesus ‘n’ Mo ‘n’ Universities UK

Today’s Jesus and Mo deals with the fracas about Universities UK and their endorsement of gender-segregated seating, a story that I haven’t covered since everybody else has. But the Jesus and Mo artist gives two links below the cartoon that will tell you the whole sordid story.

2013-11-27

The story, and the commentary.

You can (and should) sign Maryam Namazie’s petition against this ridiculous decision to allow sex-segregated seating in the UK. It’s another cowardly capitulation to Muslim religious practice. There are as of now 5250 signers, and they want 7500. I’m sure that if everyone reading this signs, we’ll go over the top. Please sign. If you’re in favor of such segregation, you shouldn’t be reading this site.

48 Comments

  1. gbjames
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:00 am | Permalink

    sub

  2. Grania Spingies
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    The last time an authority touted the phrase “separate but equal” it was the apartheid government in South Africa. It was a lie then and it’s a lie now. There is no such thing as equality under these regimes, only oppression and trampling of basic human rights.

    • Bill
      Posted November 27, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

      Nothing to add but Thank you!

  3. darrelle
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    Signed.

    And, to all those for which the following may be applicable, best wishes for a wonderful day tomorrow hanging out with family and friends, and feasting on great food. (And don’t forget the libations!) And to everyone else, hope you have a great day tomorrow as well. (heck, everyday even.)

  4. Timothy Hughbanks
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    So, all that racists have to do now is declare that racial mixing offends their religious sensibilities and they can send black people to the back of the bus again?
    Incredible.

    • Achrachno
      Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:49 am | Permalink

      My faith won’t permit me to breathe from the same air mass as Muslims. They must stand outside during the talk.

    • Larry Gay
      Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:53 am | Permalink

      If I read Namazie’s article correctly, sending black people to the back would be discrimination. However, it would be acceptable if blacks were on one side of the bus and whites on the other. This is a fine point that should be clarified by someone better versed in higher theology than me.

      • Chris
        Posted November 27, 2013 at 9:02 am | Permalink

        Yep.

        Replace “women” with “black people” and Universities UK would be screaming about it.

        Hypocrites.

  5. Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    signed, gobble gobble

  6. Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Signed and shared with a great number of friends.

  7. Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    It makes me furious that this is even being discussed.

    Signed.

    • Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:54 am | Permalink

      I know. Atheists can be such a pain sometimes.

      (I kid… Signed.)

      • Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:19 am | Permalink

        :-D

        Exactly! What’s wrong with a little relgious biogtry?

  8. Leigh
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    I was struck by the statement that there is no clear right and wrong in regards segregation. Not much in the way of critical thinking here!

    “What emerged from our work on this particular issue is that there is no clearly defined right or wrong here as to whether to allow or outlaw segregation. It is going to very much depend on the facts of the case.”

    I signed the petition and will write a letter as well.

  9. Dr J E Finch
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Simply have to show the speakers that this will not be tolerated in a civilised society.

  10. Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    Signed.

    Maryam Namazie’s comparison to racial apartheid, and how to act against it by strict refusal to participate, seems apt.

  11. still learning
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    Signed. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you!

  12. atheist in a foxhole
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Signed.

  13. Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Signed, and with great thanks, JAC, for get this out. It’s far more important than the university acknowledges. Talk about slippery slope!

  14. Patrick Webb
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Signed.

  15. Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Signed and posted on G+

  16. Diana MacPherson
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Love this Jesus ‘n’ Moe. I signed a while back because this is something that I have found personally repugnant even as a teen. As a woman, to have someone look at you with hate and disgust is really an interesting experience.

    I refuse to go anywhere where there is segregation and this includes holy places so if people get married in such locales, I won’t enter.

  17. Marcoli
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    Signed.

  18. Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    Interestingly, most people don’t object to “separate but equal” public toilets. Why not? They are not uncommon in Scandinavia, even in an academic context (at Nordita, for example). On the other hand, public saunas in Scandinavia are usually segregated (unless, unusually, nudity is not allowed), whereas in German- and Dutch-speaking countries, the reverse is true, with almost all public saunas being mixed (with nudity required) and most public toilets segregated.

    (Most defenses of segregated public toilets implicitly assume an exclusively heterosexual population.)

    Is one man’s prejudice another man’s custom?

    • Marta
      Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:47 am | Permalink

      It may be the case that debating unisex toilets is a worthwhile endeavor, but bringing the topic up in a post about gender segregation at University lectures is a thread derail, and not an especially helpful one.

      • Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:51 am | Permalink

        Why? The idea is to get people to think and, perhaps, think about their own prejudices.

        • Marta
          Posted November 27, 2013 at 9:05 am | Permalink

          We’re talking orders of magnitude.

          There is a world of difference between segregating sexes at University lectures, and segregating sexes in public toilets.

          An argument about why or if Muslims may be humored by wanting to segregate their lectures is one that’s going to be aimed at issues having to do with ideology, speech, and any number of issues pertaining to the arenas of religion or intellectual content.

          An argument about why or if public toilets ought to be segregated is going to be aimed at issues concerning, at the least, expectations of privacy and at worst, fear of sexual violence.

          As I said, it isn’t that arguments about desegregating public toilets aren’t a worthwhile endeavor. It’s that they aren’t especially on topic when you’re debating segregation at Universities at public lectures.

          • gbjames
            Posted November 27, 2013 at 9:11 am | Permalink

            +1

          • TonyR
            Posted November 27, 2013 at 10:35 am | Permalink

            Also +1

  19. uglicoyote
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    Reblogged this on The Road.

  20. MNb
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Just signed.

  21. Posted November 27, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Signed and shared on Facebook

  22. Galand
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    First reaction is to agree, but then, under the same logic, segregated toilets and showers are also discriminating.

    • TonyR
      Posted November 27, 2013 at 10:38 am | Permalink

      Disagree. Using a toilet is a private matter, attending a public lecture is not. While it may be a worthwhile discussion not at this time with this topic.

    • moarscienceplz
      Posted November 27, 2013 at 11:13 am | Permalink

      Galand,
      This argument has already been dealt with at post #19. This entire comment thread is short enough to read in a few minutes, so the apparent fact that you did not bother to do so makes you either very lazy, or a jerk.

  23. TonyR
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Thanks Jerry for posting the link. Also those posting other links. I read the UUK document with dismay. Have signed the petition.

  24. Graham Martin-Royle
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    For those in the UK, there will be a demo outside UUK offices on Dec.10.

  25. Paul S.
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Signed, twice. Obligatory for a Chicagoan.

  26. Posted November 27, 2013 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    ALL ( the World’s “great” ) religions’ woo .IS. androcentric and patriarchal.

    ALL of them: islam, christianity, judaism, hinduism, buddhism, etc, etc.

    “When man made himself god, he made woman less than human.” — Rosalind Miles, isbn 0609806955

    ‘The body of a woman is filthy, and not a vessel for the law.’ — Buddha.

    ‘Three things are insatiable –– the desert, the grave and a woman’s cunt.’ — Arab Proverb.

    ‘A woman is never truly her own master,’ argued Luther. ‘God formed her body to belong to a man, to have and to rear children.’

    In the grand design of the monotheistic male, woman was no more than a machine to make babies for him, with neither the need nor the right to be anything else: ‘Let them bear children till … … THEY DIE OF IT.’ Luther advised. ‘That is what they are for.’ ”

    — Dr. Rosalind Miles in Chapter Five entitled “The Sins of the Mothers,” of her “scripture,” The Women’s History of the World, page 102.

  27. D. Taylor
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Happy to sign.
    And Happy Thanksgiving to all with a special thanks to Jerry for hosting this wonderful community. We don’t need no cathedral! :)

  28. marcusa1971
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Signed. And annoyed that I should have to for a modern secular democracy like the UK.

  29. Dawn Oz
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Signed! Can’t believed they were fooled by the religious gobbledegook.

  30. Hempenstein
    Posted November 27, 2013 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    May be just as well to let them go ahead with this – see how many show up under those conditions.

    But as to one side/the other being OK vs. front/back, have they factored in which side the fire exit is on?

  31. Andrew Platt
    Posted November 28, 2013 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    That this is happening in the UK makes me ashamed to be British. Multiculturalism has a lot to answer for.

    I have signed. Thanks for raising the issue.

  32. Marcel Volker
    Posted November 28, 2013 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Signed. Thanks for pointing me there.

  33. Posted November 30, 2013 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Here is the piece I wrote about this issue:

    http://soundmadness.wordpress.com/2013/11/30/gender-segregation-is-wrong/


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