Say it with crayons

The crayons, by the way, are real.

17 Comments

  1. NewEnglandBob
    Posted May 7, 2010 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    When do the yellow stars on the sleeve commence?

    • oldfuzz
      Posted May 7, 2010 at 11:10 am | Permalink

      Won’t be yellow stars. ‘Twill be something more fitting. Maybe Pancho Villa likenesses.

      • artikcat
        Posted May 7, 2010 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

        Although I’m not sure about the exact meaning of your comment, “Pancho Villa likeness” as a referent for modern arizonanos of mexican descent is probably not very welcome. And besides, many of them were there before the “gringos’

        • oldfuzz
          Posted May 7, 2010 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

          It was intended as irony. As a Southwesterner neighboring Arizona in a community with a substantial Hispanic community, many of their families native to the area before it was part of the US, I see the Arizona bill as a prejudicial act.

          If my example is offensive to anyone, it was unintentional and I offer my deepest apology for not stating my view clearly.

          • artikcat
            Posted May 7, 2010 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

            No no apologies needed. If we are not self deprecating who can be? But some oldtimers (youngers dont give a ff)dont have any sense of humour at all about moustaches. A typical and popular image in cantinas is Pancho Villa-look alike- with humongous mosutache saying: Me vale madre.

            • oldfuzz
              Posted May 7, 2010 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

              True. One problem with being old is forgetting, especially that not everyone lives close to Columbus, New Mexico where Pancho Villa invaded the U.S.

              I thought it would be more appropriate than the mogen david… oops, star of david.

  2. Posted May 7, 2010 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    OK, my crayon would be mostly pink.

    If I see anyone as fish-belly white as the one on the right, I’m calling the morgue.

    • oldfuzz
      Posted May 7, 2010 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

      Where’s the one with freckles?

    • Posted May 7, 2010 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

      I’m with ya. Crayola has a “Flesh” color, even if isn’t PC, the color itself would be better. The ivory white in the product makes a mockery of the entire concept.

    • Posted May 7, 2010 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

      I got this from Dick Blick’s website:

      “Crayola Multicultural Crayons are expressive crayon colors specially designed for hands-on learning about self, family, and community. Apricot, Burnt Sienna, Mahogany, Peach, Sepia, Tan, and Black and White for blending.”

      So Black and White are for blending?!? What kindergartner is going to get that?

  3. oldfuzz
    Posted May 7, 2010 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    It is reassuring to see someone in corporate America taking a stand, especially where kids are involved. Then again, many of the Arizonans are in their second or third childhood which could be a bonus.

  4. Carl Troein
    Posted May 8, 2010 at 2:49 am | Permalink

    All other stupidity aside, when did skin color become equivalent with culture? In my experience, the second from the right and the second from the left are then both “Swedish”. (And the outermost two are obviously culture in the form of a piano.)

  5. jaysee
    Posted May 9, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Completely OT, but you’ve “Why Evolution Is True’d” the Amazon page. Check out the “Customers who viewed this also viewed…” section:

  6. Posted May 10, 2010 at 4:48 am | Permalink

    What is the problem with the new law in Arizona? Illegal immigrants are, errmm, illegal. Perhaps some people want to change that, but the whole idea of a law is that it holds for people who have a different opinion (if everyone had the same opinion, there would be no need for a law). Requiring ID should be a perfectly acceptable procedure. Comparing it to the Jews in Germany in the 1930s is really an insult to the Jews in Germany in the 1930s.

    Yes, perhaps some cops might abuse the right to ask for ID. But do you think the same people, if they don’t have to request ID, would refrain from abuse?

    If people only follow the laws they want to, then it leads to problems like the economic problems Greece is now having (mainly because only those people paid tax who wanted to).

    • Torbjörn Larsson, OM
      Posted May 10, 2010 at 9:39 am | Permalink

      I’m not familiar with the law, but I can offer a guess as to the problem: it infringes on citizen human rights.

      Legal citizens, and a selected group based on cultural ideas of race characteristics, would have to both lug around IDs and, presumably to be an effective ordinance, show them any time.

      As opposed to the rest of the citizens that would have a “free card” on that. :-/

      Those are the types of laws that citizens shouldn’t want, both for practical and moral reasons. It aggravates in-groups to the detriment of social experience and social order, and it is messing with the whole group and the specific in-group rights.

      Specifically, in the UN Declaration of Human rights, it seems to violate article 1 (“equal in dignity”), article 11 (“presumed to be innocent”), article 12 (“arbitrary interference”), article 13 (“right to freedom of movement”), article 21 (“right of equal assess”), article 27 (“right to freely participate”), and article 29 (“subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.”)

      If that is correct, that is a whole lot of human right violations right there. The only escape clause would be if illegal immigrants in any way threaten the “meeting [of] the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare”. AFAIU they don’t, in fact they likely benefit middle and wealthy classes of US citizens. Perhaps they threaten legal poor classes, I dunno.

      So in sum based on what I now know it seems like a particularly bad idea to me. Of course, if someone proposes a law that requires everybody to be able to provide identity everywhere in order to provide better policing of all types of crimes, I don’t think anyone would or could make human right objections to that.

      • Torbjörn Larsson, OM
        Posted May 10, 2010 at 9:45 am | Permalink

        Ah, and now I see the point of the illustration, thanks!

        Indeed, it illustrates perfectly illegal immigrant laws and how they single out people, to the detriment of the whole community as my analysis seems to predict.

      • Posted May 11, 2010 at 5:33 am | Permalink

        “Legal citizens, and a selected group based on cultural ideas of race characteristics, would have to both lug around IDs and, presumably to be an effective ordinance, show them any time.”

        In many countries, all people are required to carry ID. What is the problem?

        “Of course, if someone proposes a law that requires everybody to be able to provide identity everywhere in order to provide better policing of all types of crimes, I don’t think anyone would or could make human right objections to that.”

        You can be sure those crazy libertarians in the US will. As you say, this is perfectly reasonable. I don’t think there is a law which says one has to carry ID only if one looks like one is possibly of Mexican descent.


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