You can’t win

When I criticize Ilhan Omar, I get faulted for not mentioning Trump or Omar’s death threats. Now, when I criticize Trump, I get this (not posted, of course):

As the saying goes, you can’t satisfy all of the people all of the time.  But I’m sick and tired of this kind of stuff, and of accusations of whataboutery: “Why didn’t you denounce [opposite ideology from what I’ve denounced]?” Trump doesn’t just happen to be saying mean things on Twitter, of course: he’s wrecking the country. But Samedi wants me to go after the left-wingers more. I suggest he—again, I’m presuming it’s a male—read Breitbart.

 

38 Comments

  1. Nicholas K.
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    “Full Weatherman mode…” That’s a bit much. I do get a kick out of the Right Wing when they go all Drama Queen on you. Do they realize how ridiculous they are?

  2. Randall Schenck
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    I would just say to them, get a life. What the hell do they think you are running here, a public news division. An equal opportunity for all sides of the news. Read it or get off my lawn.

    You can use that if you want.

  3. W.T. Effingham
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Accusations of whataboutery seem to quickly expose the accuser’s motive. This “Samedi” person is either not familiar with the context of PCC(E)’s posts, or if Samedi is (familiar), inept at making their point.

  4. Posted July 16, 2019 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    It is hard enough to satisfy some of the people some of the time.

    • Claudia Baker
      Posted July 16, 2019 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

      🙂

  5. Robert Grossman
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Really, a “terrorist attack on an ICE facility?” I wonder how many were killed, dozens, hundreds, thousands? What weapons were deployed in this attack? Biological or nuclear WMDs? Why hasn’t Fox news alerted me to this atrocity? Can Samedi update with the latest news from this tragedy?

  6. Posted July 16, 2019 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Rationality will hardly ever win over someone who is an ideologue. Super difficult to pull people out of their single minded thinking.

  7. Diana MacPherson
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Sadly the idea that there is a bunch of left wing crazies out to kill you is something many people really believe. It’s what happens when you have state run media like FOX and that’s all these people watch. It truly is scary times. I thought it was bad when people made fallacious arguments about safety but this it really beyond the pale. No wonder Pinker has such a hard time.

  8. jpetts
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Since starting ignoring Arsebook and Twatter my life has gotten significantly better.

  9. DW
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    On a certain level, he has a point. I have trouble getting outraged at Trump saying stupid things on twitter. Saying stupid things on twitter is just what he does. (And it seems nearly everyone else on twitter, because twitter rots your brain) I care a lot more about what Trump does, rather than what he says, because the man is full of hot air.

    But there seems to be a lot of people who don’t even know that an armed antifa terrorist attacked an ICE facility with firebombs and an AR-15 knockoff. And there seems to be quite a few people praising this terrorist attack.

  10. cottontail
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    ADL on Antifa

    “That said, it is important to reject attempts to claim equivalence between the antifa and the white supremacist groups they oppose. The antifa reject racism but use unacceptable tactics. White supremacists use even more extreme violence to spread their ideologies of hate, to intimidate ethnic minorities, and undermine democratic norms. Right-wing extremists have been one of the largest and most consistent sources of domestic terror incidents in the United States for many years; they have murdered hundreds of people in this country over the last ten years alone. To date, there have not been any known antifa-related murders.”

    https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-the-antifa

    ADL: Right-wing extremist violence is our biggest threat. The numbers don’t lie.

    https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-our-biggest-threat-the-numbers-dont-lie

  11. Posted July 16, 2019 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Jerry, you are much too nice and straightforward a person.

    So you don’t realise that this kind of thing is cynically and professionally crafted to provoke outrage, distract from issues, and deepen polarisation.

    So you don’t realise that by exposing these outrageous examples of nonentities and spambots being deliberately outrageous, you are helping them achieve their objectives.

    • Posted July 16, 2019 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

      Except that I’m not outraged or polarized, and this person will never post again. That’s not much of a goal to achieve.

  12. Charles Sawicki
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    “As the saying goes, you can’t satisfy all of the people all of the time.”
    That’s one of the unpleasant aspects of Twitter and blogs, where you have a wide audience including critics and people who dislike you, who then express their feelings. Some people probably follow WEIT for just this purpose.

  13. Ken Kukec
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Wouldn’t surprise me if your new pen pal Samedi’s real name is “Sergei” or “Ivan” and operating from a troll farm outside the former Petrograd.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted July 16, 2019 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

      Oh, here we go again. I just got the book, The Fifth Domain, so after I read it, I’ll get back to you.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted July 16, 2019 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

      C’mon Ken, you think the US isn’t capable of producing its own online nutters and trolls?

      You can’t blame everything that goes worng in the US on Russia.

      cr

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted July 16, 2019 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

        Oh, I’m not saying he’s necessarily a Russian. How would any of us know? And that’s the problem: you can’t tell who you’re dealing with online, and the Russians use our homegrown “nutters and trolls” as dupes to spread their disinformation.

        All I’m saying is that the tenor of his comment mirrors what was used in the malign-influence campaign run in 2016 by the “Internet Research Agency” from troll farms outside St. Petersburg.

  14. GBJames
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    sub

  15. merilee
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Sub

  16. Stephen
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Damn if you do. Damn if you don’t.

  17. Cindi Deschane
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    To this person responding I would say: show me your resource for what you are stating as I don’t see anything like it in the news anywhere.

  18. Randall Schenck
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    The House of Representatives have passed a resolution condemning Trump for his racist statements. How about that what-a-bout.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted July 16, 2019 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

      I must also throw in here, almost no republicans stood up to condemn Trump and in fact, they tried to get Pelosi’s language taken out of the statement. This confirms the republican party is racist as well and they have joined Trump as full blown racist. It is one thing to stay silent in the face of racism but when you attempt to stop others from standing up, that is what the republicans are confirming. Remember, Trump said – Go back where you came from. That is 18th/19th century history in this country. From Jefferson on down, he did not believe there was any answer to the slavery question unless they went back. They certainly could not live here.

      I heard other republicans saying, but he did not use the term racist in his tweets. They never do. Look at the Constitution, does it even mention Black people, no. But it stated 3/5th of them would be counted for the census. What was the question Trump tried to get added to the census – Are you a citizen?

      • Posted July 17, 2019 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

        FTR, a question about citizenship appeared on every single Census until 2010, when Obama had it removed.

        Why is it all of a sudden racist?

        • Mickey Mortimer
          Posted July 18, 2019 at 3:57 am | Permalink

          Nope. https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/04/02/census-stop-asking-citizenship/

          • Posted July 18, 2019 at 8:32 am | Permalink

            Your link confirms that the Census Bureau had asked about citizenship status, either on some form of the census questionnaire and/or the ancillary ACS, from at least 1890 to 2000. Only in 2010 was it not asked.

            So, again: what is unconstitutional or racist about reinstating it in 2020?

            • Mickey Mortimer
              Posted July 21, 2019 at 3:56 am | Permalink

              It’s still being asked annually in the ACS, but only to 2.6% of the population. So you’re wrong that it wasn’t asked in 2010. Through 2000 it was also only asked of <20% of the population. It was never in the long form census, so it couldn't be "reinstated" there, this would be an unprecedented move. You're also wrong that it was removed by Obama- note George W. Bush was president for 80% of the time between 2000 and 2010.

              As for racism, "Files found on the hard drives of the late Thomas Hofeller … reveal he pushed the Trump administration to make the citizenship question, a first in census history, a key policy goal. … And perhaps most damning of all, in conjunction with the results of a 2015 study he conducted for a Republican mega-donor, he explicitly noted that the question “would be advantageous to Republicans and non-Hispanic whites.” So there's the racist rationale.

              • Posted July 21, 2019 at 10:58 am | Permalink

                Your desperate goalpost-shifting cannot obscure the fact that, if a citizenship question was asked on previous Censuses, then removed from the last one, then adding it again to the upcoming census is indeed “restoring” it.

                But once again, you have provided material to undermine your own position. For, if the citizenship question was not racist when asked by the obama administration, why is it suddenly racist when asked by the trump admin?

                Please answer that question directly.

    • merilee
      Posted July 16, 2019 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

      Hallelujah! (Fwiw)

  19. uommibatto
    Posted July 16, 2019 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    If your first response to a position/claim is “but what about” something else, you have just admitted you have no valid response.

    I coined the acronym BWAHE (prnounced BWA-HEY) to describe this phenomenon: But What About Hillary’s Emails?

    “Gee, it looks like President Trump paid $130K to hush up the Stormy Daniels affair.”

    “BWAHE??!!”

    • StephenB
      Posted July 17, 2019 at 11:15 am | Permalink

      Yes, our ears we filled with BWAHE throughout the 2016 campaign; it seemed to be the go-to “argument” of the Republicans. It’s really an instantiation of the “tu quoque” logical fallacy, which has been rife in political discourse for years.

  20. JB
    Posted July 17, 2019 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    If you point out a problem with the left, the left-wingers say what-about the bad stuff on the right! And if you criticize something bad on the right, the right-wingers say what-about the bad stuff on the left!

    Bottom line is Jerry criticizes bad stuff on both sides, as he sees fit. If you want to whinge about one-sided reporting, go complain to Breitbart or HuffPo.


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