Live feed: Uprising in Venezuela

Right now there are huge clashes in Venezuela between the government and the people after the opposition leader Juan Guaidó, as the NYT reports, “showed up with soldiers at a military base and called for the population to rise up against the president, Nicolás Maduro.”

That’s exactly what they’re doing. Maduro is an autocrat and Chavez successor who’s ruining his country.

The NYT article is below, but I’ve put a livefeed before that so you can watch people go up against a horrible dictator:

And note that although Trump supports the opposition, which we should all be doing, the “progressive” Democrats are either silent or tell us to leave the socialist dictatorship alone. In this case Trump is on the right side, but don’t take that as my endorsement of Trump.

40 Comments

  1. johnjfitzgerald
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    I sincerely disagree with you. We are not making Venezuela safe for democracy. We are turning it over to the oil interests under the control of the US government. George Carlin, once said, “The USA is an oil company with an army.” This is a return to gunboat diplomacy and the doctrines of imperialism. Might does not make right.

    John J. Fitzgerald

  2. Posted April 30, 2019 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Not large at all.

    See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f77mqTTFwfg

  3. Randall Schenck
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    They have been covering this on CNN and MSNBC all day today. I have seen nothing that would indicate the democrats are not in favor of getting this current idiot out down there. However yelling your support is not exactly doing anything either. The Trump administration has pretty much been following the lead of a congressman from Florida on this issue. You know, Rubio handles all their diplomacy from Cuba south. Trump has done nothing about the fact that Russia is now down there, other than saying they should get out. That Trump is really hard on Russia.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted April 30, 2019 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

      I would also guess – if we had follow the Obama path of better relations with Cuba, we might actually have more influence and standing with Venezuela. As it stands now, we have almost none and here we go with more hits on Cuba over Venezuela. Way to go republicans, the more the dictator pisses you off, take it out on the people.

    • dvandivere
      Posted May 1, 2019 at 3:59 am | Permalink

      Exactly – I think Jerry’s description of the progressives’ responses is a bit unfair. They’re arguing that intervention and recognizing the self-proclaimed President are likely to backfire.

      The US doesn’t exactly have a good history when it comes to implementing regime change in foreign countries.

  4. rustybrown
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Trump is on the right side of this but should proceed very cautiously, as he’s doing. We should stay out of this as much as possible but continue to apply various soft pressures and coordinate allies to our side.

  5. Jenny Haniver
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    The latest news I’m hearing is that Trump says that the Russians convinced Maduro not to step down. Fake news? or no? I have no idea what to make of this because if it is true, I really don’t know what will happen, but nothing good can come out of all this; and the Venezuelans continue to suffer.

    • Posted April 30, 2019 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

      Does anyone really think that Trump is telling the truth here? And I am sure Maduro does not have to be convinced by Russians not to step down. This is the same kind of purely imaginary propaganda that Trump and company have been emitting since he took office.

      • max blancke
        Posted April 30, 2019 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

        I would say that the stakes for regime change in Venezuela are much higher for the Russians than they are for the US, even though it is closer to our sphere of influence.
        Oil sales and distribution are immensely important to the Russian economy.
        A major part of global Russian strategy is about clearing obstacles for the sales of Russian fossil fuels, and blocking other countries from competing with that primary goal.
        Obviously I have no specific knowledge of Russian interference in today’s events there, but it would fit into their known strategy.

      • BJ
        Posted April 30, 2019 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

        Remember what happened to the Russian economy when oil prices dropped? Anything that affects oil prices and flow deeply affects Russia and Russian power on the world stage.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted April 30, 2019 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

      I would say Russia and their friends in Cuba are certainly assisting the dictator. If nothing else, the higher oil prices benefit Russia. Everything depends on what the Venezuela military does.

  6. Filippo
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    I note from NPR today that John Bolton continues to say that “all options are open.” I contemplate freshly-minted U.S. military service members, especially ground troops, contemplating whose interests are worthy of their going in harm’s way to possibly be killed or maimed for life. Especially the interests of those U.S. corporations (top four – Amazon, Delta Airlines, Chevron, General Motors) which paid no federal income tax in 2018, and got federal tax rebates to boot, when no doubt those who scrub executive suite toilets have to pay income tax – as well as military service members. (Hard copy NY Times, 4/30/19)

    (A few years ago I picked up U.S. Navy recruiting material, the verbiage of which referenced the U.S.’s global “interests.” No doubt more accurate and truthful than the verbiage of yesteryear more or less leaning toward the idealistic and comparatively deceptive “Mom, Apple Pie, Flag” variety. As Hitch might say, “Progress of a kind.”)

    I also wonder if Putin ever contemplates sending a couple of ships or a small squadron into the international waters of the Gulf of Mexico, inasmuch as the U.S. squeezes the occasional warship through the technically international straits abutting Istanbul into the Black Sea.

    • Posted April 30, 2019 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

      I am not favoring U.S. military intervention in Venezuela, though the Trump administration might. So please do not think or imply that I favor that. I just think we should not recognize Maduro as head of Venezuela. For crying out loud, he won’t led medical aid or food into his country, something Kim Jong-un would do as well.

      I believe the U.S. should give diplomatic and logistic support to the opposition leader. I don’t know what you favor, except to diss America.

      • W.Benson
        Posted April 30, 2019 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

        The Venezuelan government has in fact let Red Cross medical aid into the country. What it blocked was Trump’s propaganda aid designed to embarrass the Maduro government and not to alleviate suffering. When, in fact, has anyone ever seen Trump open his heart to the hardships of foreigners?

      • Filippo
        Posted April 30, 2019 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

        I am not so implying. A thousand apologies if I have somehow come across to you that way. I have enough sense to know, and appreciate, that supporting regime change is not the same as endorsing military (or CIA) intervention.

        Is it dissing the U.S. to think about what military service members are thinking (just like I would surely be thinking were I still in the military) when they hear the likes of John Bolton making noises about “all options are open” regarding Venezuela?

        The U.S. is so accustomed to inserting itself wherever it pleases in Latin American (to name a few, Dominican Republic, 1965, Grenada, 1983, Panama, 1989) let alone the rest of the world, yet has a calf when Russia similarly carries out a so-called “muscular” foreign policy in its own Crimea/Black Sea backyard.

  7. Ken Kukec
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    According to media reports, Maduro is ready to bolt Venezuela, but Putin personally ordered him to stay put.

    Now’s the time for our president to call a presser, step up to the microphone, and show the world he can tell Putin what’s what.

    Hell, I remember when another “vibrant, young” president (as the Donald recently referred to himself) came on the tube to tell the Rooskies hands off the western hemisphere — which has pretty much been uninterrupted US policy since the Monroe Doctrine.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted April 30, 2019 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

      Very doubtful that Trump ever heard of the Monroe Doctrine, not too sure but may have been written by Madison. Anyway, he is Putin’s puppet.

    • W.Benson
      Posted April 30, 2019 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

      Why should Maduro bolt considering today’s sad sack performance by Guaido and his confederates? Tomorrow is May Day and Maduro people will be out in force, but it will probably not be put on network TV.

      • Randall Schenck
        Posted April 30, 2019 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

        Just in case you did not get the late news. He was going to get on an airplane today headed for Cuba. However, the Russians told him to stay. This is not my reading this is from our own state department head.

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted April 30, 2019 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

        My point isn’t that Maduro should skedaddle; my point is who the fuck is Vladimir Putin to decide his and Venezuela’s fate.

        • Filippo
          Posted April 30, 2019 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

          Right. Who is Vladimir Putin – or any other human primate or political state outside the Venezuelan border – to so decide?

  8. ladyatheist
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Another live feed: UNC-Charlotte shooting. 2 people dead, 4 hurt:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uncc-active-shooter-reported-today-live-updates-2019-04-30/?fbclid=IwAR2KnQi_2oF5tYXTIFDol6mF_NKVDk7ZKcPg2ClYxNSUlEiXm89AWRfHRy0

  9. Jon Gallant
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    One aspect of the travel of immigrants from Central America to the US border has not been much remarked. This is that they continue to head for the life of oppression in the US, rather than emigrating to Venezuela. There they could enjoy the idyll of Bolivarian Socialism, which has been such an inspiration to Western thinkers like Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott. Perhaps they fail to do so because entry into Venezuela is hindered by the flood of Venezuelans going the other way, 5000 a day fleeing to Colombia, and at least 2.6 million overall, by recent estimates (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/08/venezuela-migrants-fleeing-exodus-increase-united-nations ).
    Alternatively, Central Americans could make a much shorter journey to Nicaragua next door. There they could enjoy the inspiring life under Sandinista President Daniel Ortega and his Vice-President (and likely successor) Rosario Murillo, who, by a remarkable coincidence, is Sr. Ortega’s wife. This power couple, like the Ceausescu couple in Romania, the Milosovich couple in Serbia, and most notably the Kim family in North Korea, is another illustration of the way Socialism is truly permeated by family values.

    • Posted May 1, 2019 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

      + 1
      I can only keep my fingers crossed for the people of Venezuela.

  10. Terrence H
    Posted April 30, 2019 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    > In this case Trump is on the right side, but don’t take that as my endorsement of Trump.

    It’s not your endorsement of Trump. It’s your endorsement of a violent coup intended to overthrow the results of a democratic election to install a hand-picked U.S. puppet who couldn’t win that election on his own.

    You’re not the first “liberal” to support a military coup, and you won’t be the last. Propaganda works.

    • Posted May 1, 2019 at 4:33 am | Permalink

      I did not endorse a violent coup and, as I said in the comments, I don’t think the U.S should interevene militarily in Venezuela.
      You can’t read, and you’re rude. Go away.

    • Posted May 1, 2019 at 8:58 am | Permalink

      … a violent coup intended to overthrow the results of a democratic election to install a hand-picked U.S. puppet who couldn’t win that election on his own.

      It wasn’t a free election, and every Western Democracy has formally rejected the results.

      • W.Benson
        Posted May 1, 2019 at 11:53 am | Permalink

        Nevertheless, Matt, Guaidó is pretty much the US State Department’s hand-picked puppet.
        Brazil, my abode, is currently run by a hard-right anti-Maduro government, but even here the consensus (according to politically connected news sources) is to deny the US’s using Brazilian territory to stage an eventual ‘intervention’ in Venezuela.

        • Posted May 1, 2019 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

          What is your evidence that Guaido was ‘hand-picked’ by the State Dept. and will be its ‘puppet’? (Feel free to cite Jacobin if that’s all you got.)

          In truth, Guiado is supported by most Western democracies, while Maduro is supported by Russia, China, Cuba, and Iran. Most importantly, a large majority of Venezuelans support Guiado.

          Do you categorically oppose any ‘intervention’ or diplomatic pressure — whether by any nation ever, or just by the evil US, or just by trump?

          Maduro is a despot and a plunderer who’s destroyed his country’s economy, driven its people to the brink of starvation, and intimidated & imprisoned his political opponents. For the free nations of the world to stand idly by would be immoral. On a more pragmatic note, Maduro’s terrible reign directly affects US security and interests, as it had directly led to the rapid rise of illegal immigration. On that point alone, the US has grounds to intervene.

          And if Brazil wants to wash its hands on this, well, don’t come crying for help later.

  11. David Duffy
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 4:38 am | Permalink

    For an alternative view of what has happened to Venezuela, the website of a professor of international law and human rights.

    https://dezayasalfred.wordpress.com/tag/venezuela/

    For example:

    https://dezayasalfred.wordpress.com/2019/04/24/former-u-n-official-u-s-goal-is-to-asphyxiate-venezuela/

    “An investigation from The New York Times later confirmed what journalists on the ground had been reporting all along — that the [aid] trucks were burned, if inadvertently, by opposition protesters themselves.”

  12. Posted May 1, 2019 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    I find it quite droll that the same lefties who insisted we admit the caravans of immigrants fleeing starvation and oppression, are now the ones supporting Maduro, who is oppressing and starving his people.

  13. Ken Kukec
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov — the weaseliest weasel in all weaseldom — has issued a statement accusing the United States of America of fomenting an unlawful coup d’etat in Venezuela.

    Will our president speak up and denounce Lavrov (the good buddy he had over with ambassador Sergey Kislyak to the Oval Office for a private meeting the day after Trump fired FBI director James Comey)?

    • Posted May 1, 2019 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

      It does not really matter whether he will speak up or not. The Russians are still accusing the USA for the toppling of Ukraine’s Yanukovich!

    • Posted May 2, 2019 at 11:32 am | Permalink

      I fear he may be close to being right. Saying one supports an opposition member especially before Venezuelans decide for themselves sort of does this.

      (He of course may be a hypocrite as well, but that’s of no matter to the truth of the claim.)

  14. gravelinspector-Aidan
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Is this the long-expected Trumpian War of Attention Displacement? And most importantly, will it take enough oil production off the market to improve the price, or will that require closing the Straits of Hormuz?

  15. revelator60
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Here is an excellent article on how Venezuela went to hell in a handbasket:

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/south-america/2018-10-15/venezuelas-suicide

    One can only hope the country can somehow resolve its problems without outside interference. The Trump administration cannot be trusted with foreign policy and American-backed attempts at regime change would likely end as badly as they usually do.

    Equally contemptible are the tankie “socialists” who insist Maduro is a great guy (who only made “a few mistakes”) and that Venezuela is making the world safe for socialism. If only they would do the world a favor and immigrate to Maduro’s wonderland.

  16. rustybrown
    Posted May 1, 2019 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Anti-gun lefty unwittingly admitting having no guns means having no power for Venezuelans:

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-reporter-unwittingly-admits-having-no-guns-means-having-no-power-for-the-people-of-venezuela/

    Ooops!


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