“The wall will get built”: Trump and Pence vs. Schumer and Pelosi in the Oval Office

As reader Randy said when he sent me this video, “This is government without a brain.” Truefact! Trump is improvising like a jazz musician here, but, as always, his braindumps are incoherent and embarrassing. I can only imagine what Pelosi and Schumer are thinking when they hear their “leader,” but look at their faces!

The fur starts flying at 5:53 when Pelosi brings up the potential government shutdown. Then there’s a big kerfuffle over The Wall, a kerfuffle that, says Trump says, “we’re doing in a very friendly manner.” LOL!  You rarely see this kind of back and forth in public. Schumer then basically accuses Trump of lying. It’s big fun!

Here’s CNN’s description:

President Donald Trump met with Democratic leaders Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) in the Oval Office where Trump vowed to shutdown [sic] the government if no agreement could be reached on border security, including funding a wall along the the US-Mexico border.

Grania sent some tweets:

and this one:

120 Comments

  1. GBJames
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Can this really last two more years?

    • eric
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

      I predict Trump will perform a political miracle within six months; cause Dems and GOPers in Congress to come together and pass bills with a veto-proof supermajority.

      • scruffycookie
        Posted December 11, 2018 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

        From your lips to Professor Ceiling Cat’s ears!! 🙂

    • Dave137
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

      Imagine six more years. Barf.

      My baseless bet is that Trumpy loses the popular-vote by millions more in 2020 than he did in 2016, but he nevertheless retains the Electoral College.

      Democrats are far too concentrated in cities and suburbs, gerrymandering notwithstanding.

  2. Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    I saw it, but did not think it was fun. Nancy kept saying let’s not debate this in public as she continued to debate it in public.
    Bad spectacle to see. I hope they do better in private. There may have been a lot of playing to the camera. I think they all looked bad.
    If was like watching someone make sausage.
    The old saying is there are two things you don’t want to see made in public: sausage and law.

    • Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

      Pelosi was trying to give DJT an out from looking publicly stupid by *promoting* a government shutdown.

    • Keith
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

      I think only Trump looked bad in this exchange, with his ignorance, incoherence and fluid lies on full display. Pelosi respectfully asked for private, evidenced-based discussions and made her position clear: she wants border security, wants to keep the government functioning, and wants negotiations in good faith.

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

        I’d like to fact check him on the 10 “terrorists” he says were stopped by his partial wall — and on the “contagious” disease he claims made it through.

        WTF has he been smocking anyway?

        • ratabago
          Posted December 11, 2018 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

          It’s just another of Trump’s shallow misunderstandings/misrepresentations. He probably had a memo read* to him that pointed out that the DHS gets on average ten hits per day from people on their terrorism watch list trying to enter the US across all possible entry points. And thought something like “See, this proves I’m right.”

          If he had had them read on a bit he might have found that most of them don’t come over the southern border.

          *I’m feeling snarky today. But if your going for “The Big Lie” there should be just a smidgeon of truth in there somewhere so that your defenders have something to work with.

    • Diane G
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

      Pelosi & Schumer did beautifully under appalling circumstances. I got the idea that Trump had told them one thing before the broadcast and then proceeded to renege on the air and fully expected to out-bully them. Well, that he did, as he was the only bully in the room, but P & S stood their ground staunchly and looked a lot less ruffled than any less skilled and experienced politicians could hope to pull off. I’m sure part of their persistence (& Schumer’s smile) reflected their confidence that the viewing audience would clearly see who the adults in the room were.

      • ladyatheist
        Posted December 11, 2018 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

        Good point.

    • eric
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

      The meeting was not planned or intended to be public; Trump spur-of-the-moment invited the media in without telling the Dems he was going to do that (no doubt he – and only he – thought this was a spectacular play that would make him look good).

      Pelosi’s constant referral to ‘let’s not do this in public’ was a not-so-subtle request to Trump to have him ask the media to leave the room. But he either didn’t get it, or chose to ignore it. I’m guessing the former.

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted December 11, 2018 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

        Trump figured it would be a good way to divert attention from all the bad news being generated by the court proceedings this week regarding Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, and Paul Manafort.

        “Shake up the news cycle” is one of the limited number of signal moves in the Trumpian playbook.

      • Posted December 11, 2018 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

        I just thought it made everyone look bad. Embarrassing.

        We need a new form of government. A parliamentary system would be a big improvement.

        • GBJames
          Posted December 11, 2018 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

          Watching Brexit I can’t agree with that assessment.

          • infiniteimprobabilit
            Posted December 12, 2018 at 12:49 am | Permalink

            As an Englishman I would like to think that the British Parliamentary system would be superior, but – as GBJ says – watching Brexit I have to admit it’s not reassuring.

            I don’t think it’s the system that’s basically at fault (though the US electoral college thing could certainly be improved, as could a lot of gerrymandering).

            The problem is the calibre of politician. How you fix that I honestly don’t know.

            cr

            • eric
              Posted December 12, 2018 at 7:27 am | Permalink

              I agree. There’s a lot of small fixes we could make to the US system that would greatly improve it. Limit advertising and campaign donations; insist all such donations are transparent; make boundary and election management politically neutral; automatic registration, same-day registration, and absentee voting allowed for all. Heck, even a national popular vote for President is possible under the current system, with a few tweaks already being considered by some of the states (mostly liberal ones).

              I have nothing against a parliamentary system, and in fact I think it’s a better choice for countries that are adopting democracy for the first time. However, I think the US system is an equally valid and effective form of democracy, albeit one that needs a few tweaks due to it originally being designed for ‘no parties’ but then having cynical self-interested political parties and big donors whale on it for 200 years.

            • Diane G
              Posted December 13, 2018 at 3:13 am | Permalink

              “The problem is the calibre of politician. How you fix that I honestly don’t know.”

              Because, ultimately, the problem is the caliber of the voters.

              • Posted December 13, 2018 at 10:00 am | Permalink

                Which is due to the caliber of their education.

              • Diane G
                Posted December 13, 2018 at 11:00 am | Permalink

                Yes, but that in turn is affected by parental attitudes and competency; and a public that doesn’t seem to think quality education is a priority. (Not to mention home schoolers!)

                IMO, most of the failures of our education system ultimately reflect our overall sense of priorities as a people. Well, that and a Republican party that seems to have abandoned any sense of humanity.

              • Posted December 13, 2018 at 11:04 am | Permalink

                👍👍👍

          • Posted December 12, 2018 at 5:48 am | Permalink

            Brexit shows what happens when you bypass the parliamentary system. If the government had had just said “we are leaving the EU” without a referendum, they, presumably, would have had an alternate plan in mind. Instead they were forced to do something for which nobody was prepared, which is why we have the current mess.

            Also, the pro EU MPs would not have been hamstrung by having to accept the “will of the people”.

            In a World in which a government chose to take us out of the EU on a manifesto pledge and without a referendum, it would already have been forced to cancel its plan.

  3. freiner
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Improvising, but Charlie Parker he ain’t.

  4. Merilee
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    How can any one man be soooooo stoooooopid. 10 terrorists recently caught?

    • Mark R.
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

      And just think that millions of people will believe that without a second thought…or google.

      • Merilee
        Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

        I know🙀

  5. Mark R.
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Trump loves a shit-show.

    • DrBrydon
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

      It’s true. He likes to mix it up. Never a good quality in an executive. In fact he is almost the anti-executive. I pity folks who work for him.

  6. DrBrydon
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    When Lincoln observed that you can fool some of the people all of the time, he defined Trump’s constituency.

  7. Ken Kukec
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Trump is improvising like a jazz musician here, but, as always, his braindumps are incoherent and embarrassing.

    It’s always cringe-inducing watching Trump try to discuss policy. He knows nothing of it or of government functioning because he has no interest in these subjects whatever, even now that he is head of the executive branch of the United States government.

    Because he has never had an interest in public policy and governmental affairs — indeed, has never given either of these topics so much as a moment’s serious thought before becoming president — he lacks any language with which to discuss these topics coherently.

    The only language Trump knows is the hyperbole of product pushing, acquired during his days as a Manhattan real estate jock and as a “reality” tv star. (And the only products he’s ever had any interest in pushing are himself and anything that’s been Trump-branded.) To compensate for his lack of policy chops, and to forestall questions being put to him that he is ill-equipped to handle, Trump tries to dominate any conversation he’s in by incessantly interrupting and by filling the air with his customary hype.

    • rickflick
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

      “hyperbole of product pushing, acquired during his days as a Manhattan real estate jock”

      What puzzles me is who would even buy a used car from such a man, let alone a multi-million-dollar building? His skills as a salesman would get him fired by Fuller Brush.

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted December 11, 2018 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

        There’s a sucker born every minute as ol’ PT Barnum put it.

        You go down to Times Square, there’s still marks who think they can follow the Queen of Hearts in a game of Three-Card Monte or figure out which shell the pea is under.

        Trump’s been working the long con his whole life. Except now he’s operating under the bright glare of the US presidency and things are falling apart.

  8. Randall Schenck
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    I thought it was hard to look at the first time. I was especially excited about all the input from Pence. If he look a little more like a plant, they could water him.

    Remember this is live with a room full of reporters watching the deal maker Trump. He lied several time as they explained later, saying several areas of the wall had been built when none of it has. Many terrorist have been caught? Where are these terrorists? He says he needs the democrats help but why. Right now the senate, the house and the president still belong to the republicans. Schumer tried to give him a way out but no, he will shut it down and take the blame. The fans must love him when he talks about all the disease the people are bringing in. What kind of phobia is that?

    • Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

      The republicans do not have the senate. It takes sixty votes to pass a bill there. Neither party has sixty votes.

      • Randall Schenck
        Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

        Nobody has had 60 votes for some time. The republicans have the majority so they control the senate and determine what gets on the floor. That is why Mitch is the senate leader. Pelosi was attempting to tell him he did not have the votes in the House but he did not want to hear it. I believe she said something like – take a vote and see.

      • Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

        I would like to add that I think the senate rules should be changed to allow bills to be voted on without the sixty vote requirement. I was in favor of that when the democrats had between fifty and sixty votes and still am now that the republicans have between fifty and sixty. A majority should be able to get bills passed.

        • Randall Schenck
          Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

          My understanding is – If a bill gets to a vote it only takes a majority, not 60. You are talking about filibusters and such.

        • Historian
          Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

          You are talking about eliminating the legislative filibuster. Its value has been debated for a long time. Most senators support it because they know that when they are in the minority they could block most legislation. We are unlikely to see any change in this senate rule in the foreseeable future.

          • Ken Kukec
            Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

            Yeah, the idea is that it forces compromise and gives the minority a say in legislation, which is supposed to breed a collegiality in the Senate that’s lacking in the House. That’s the way “Publius” saw it in The Federalist Papers anyway.

    • Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

      “If he look a little more like a plant, they could water him.”

      Nice! It’s going to be great to run on that “record” of his.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

      “I was especially excited about all the input from Pence.”

      The palace eunuch.

      • Nicolaas Stempels
        Posted December 12, 2018 at 1:18 am | Permalink

        He’s just biding his time, praying Mr Trump will get impeached by the House and condemned by the Senate.

    • Harrison
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

      The most interesting part of Trump claiming that the wall is already partially under construction is that it leaves a massive opening for Dems to say “well what’s the problem then?” Trump doesn’t have enough spare brain cells to realize when his own lies can backfire on him.

      • Nicolaas Stempels
        Posted December 12, 2018 at 1:20 am | Permalink

        I gather that the parts being constructed were already approved and budgeted under Mr Obama.

      • Posted December 12, 2018 at 5:53 am | Permalink

        I’d have asked which parts.

        • Posted December 12, 2018 at 6:07 am | Permalink

          Hmm, should have watched the video. The answer is “in San Diego” (quickly corrected to “near san Diego”)

      • Posted December 12, 2018 at 5:53 am | Permalink

        I’d have asked which parts.

      • David Coxill
        Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:35 am | Permalink

        Why is he asking for cash to build it ?I thought them Mexicans were going to build and pay for it?

  9. JohnE
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    I can’t believe Schumer and Pelosi didn’t just keep repeating: “We don’t understand why we are having this discussion, Mr. President. You repeatedly promised the American people that Mexico would pay for the wall. Did you mean that or were you just lying, over and over and over again?”

    • Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

      He would just say he never promised that. He is impervious to weapons of rational argument.

    • Harrison
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

      Others have proposed that Dems should offer to match Mexico’s contribution as a compromise.

      • JohnE
        Posted December 11, 2018 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

        OMG – That is a great suggestion!

    • Nicolaas Stempels
      Posted December 12, 2018 at 1:30 am | Permalink

      Yes they left a few things out:
      – Mexico would pay.
      – Should those employing (and underpaying) illegal immigrants not be dealt with firmer by the law? (he, he 🙂 ).
      – The opioid crisis, the greatest drugs crisis in the US was fueled by a particular pharmaceutical company, nothing to do with illegal immigrants smuggling drugs.
      – Terrorists rarely enter the country via the southern border.
      – The majority of ‘illegals’ are people entering legally and overstaying.
      – The parts of the wall being built now were budgeted for under Mr Obama’s admin.

      There are some more to be found, but I think Ms Pelosi and Mr Schumer were very soft on him, possibly an intentionally?

      • David Coxill
        Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:37 am | Permalink

        Facts only confuses TSS .

  10. Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    “Trump is improvising like a jazz musician here”

    I would describe it not as improvising but as acting exactly as planned: as someone who believes in the Power of Positive Thinking (learned from Norman Vincent Peale) he thinks he can literally create his own reality. It does actually work to his advantage, because no one else knows what he’s doing and at every turn they get wrong-footed by the chaos. Trump emerges comparatively from the smouldering wreck and everyone else gets burned, whereupon they line up again, friend and foe, for a repeat performance.

    But the reference to jazz reminded me of Mingus’s classic, Fables of Faubus
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fables_of_Faubus

    Oh, Lord, don’t let ’em shoot us
    Oh, Lord, don’t let ’em stab us
    Oh, Lord, no more swastikas
    Oh, Lord, don’t let ’em tar and feather us!

    Oh, Lord, no more Ku Klux Klan
    Name me someone who’s ridiculous, Dannie
    Governor Faubus!
    Why is he so sick and ridiculous?
    He won’t permit integrated schools
    Then he’s a fool!

    Boo! Nazi Fascist supremists!
    Boo! Ku Klux Klan (With your Jim Crow plan)

    • veroxitatis
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

      Thank you. That was so powerful.

  11. Nicholas K.
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    I thought Pelosi was magnificent. She knows exactly how to deal with a narcissist: remain calm, explain, don’t get rattled. If Trump has the votes in the House, then take the vote!

    Pelosi has done what no Republican has ever done: Say No to Trump to his face in public. She has more stones than any of them.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

      As they say, she knows how to count.

    • Diane G
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

      +2

  12. Ken Kukec
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    No thought went into Trump’s “border wall” proposal during his campaign — there was no policy study, no “white paper,” no blue-ribbon commission that studied the matter and made recommendations. “Build a wall” was just a line that one of Trump’s hangers-on suggested he stick in his speech right before he took the stage one night. It got a big reaction from the crowd, so Trump made it staple of his stump speech. After a while, he goosed it with the follow-up line “and Mexico will pay for it!” That really got the yahoos at his Nuremberg-style rallies a-hootin’ and a-hollerin’, and had Trump basking in the glow. But he never had the shadow of a plan on how any of it was to be accomplished (in part because he never actually expected to win the presidency).

    That’s what passes for policy in the administration of Donald J. Trump.

  13. Randall Schenck
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    I think this shows that Trump gets killed every time he gets into a discussion with anyone of substance. Whether it is Putin or some other foreign leader and certainly with the democrats. He goes to a gunfight with a water hose. I mean, did he really think he accomplished anything with this act in front of the two people who know what he is?

    • Nicholas K.
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

      I am certain Trump believes he got the better of this entire exchange. His victorious Tweets should follow.

  14. Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    He thinks he’s William Mumy from that Twilight Zone episode. You can see him trying to turn Pelosi and Schumer into jacks-in-the-boxes, and in his mind, he has, and now he’s having tea w/ them, winning all the arguments.

  15. Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Is this a sideshow? Because my sister is high up in the Border Patrol and she said he is lying his bum off! As a farmer, you aren’t doing anything for my family. Are you High???

    • Claudia Baker
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

      He’s definitely been smocking something!

    • W.T. Effingham
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

      He’s been smocking industrial hemp into a flexible fabric capable of covering his bum as drags deep ruts under the low bars he limbos under.😼

  16. Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Any kind of confrontation like this one is a loss for Trump. He doesn’t have the head to win any kind of debate. His only chance is when he controls the narrative which is one reason he really likes Twitter. An argument like this just displays his incoherence, bullying, and lack of concern about really solving the border security issue.

    I wish someone would have challenged his “10 terrorists caught at the border” comment. I suspect it was because he might be able to come up with some fake list of what he calls terrorists.

    Pence is an unbelievable useless lump of human flesh.

    • GBJames
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

      I don’t know… I think Pence did an excellent impression of a stuffed chair.

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted December 11, 2018 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

        That was Mike Pence? Hell, I thought it was Teller, or maybe Harpo Marx.

        • Taz
          Posted December 11, 2018 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

          This would have been even better if Pence “honked” occasionally.

      • infiniteimprobabilit
        Posted December 12, 2018 at 1:00 am | Permalink

        I think Pence followed the best option available to him. He said nothing.

        When your boss has an ego the size of Alaska and a bad case of verbal diarrhea, what are you going to say anyway? As it is, he spared himself the embarrassment of agreeing with tRump, and he certainly wasn’t going to be allowed to contradict tRump.

        All in all, he made the best of a no-win situation; he didn’t lose.

        cr

        • rickflick
          Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

          Don’t you just know he’s hoping for impeachment?

      • Posted December 12, 2018 at 6:24 am | Permalink

        He probably agrees with Pelosi and Schumer.

  17. grasshopper
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    The perfect gift for President Trump this Christmas – enough Lego bricks to build the wall himself.

  18. Randall Schenck
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of Televisions, my other half was in Walmart today. Saw a 55 inch for $368 a 32 inch for $99. Have no idea what kind or model.

  19. Posted December 11, 2018 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    If Trump was a jazz band trying to improvise he might sound like this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8GeRwLyGZc

    (No, I couldn’t make it thru the whole thing either!)

    • Mike Deschane
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

      Yep, sounded just like a Trump convo.

  20. Mike Deschane
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Watched the video, gonna go shower now. Puppies and kittens, puppies and kittens, puppies and kittens, baby ducks,….

  21. veroxitatis
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    It is said of some speakers what would they do if they did not have arms and hands. With Trump, it’s what would he do if the words “tremendous” and “incredible” didn’t exist.

  22. Rita
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Notice Schumer’s sarcastic comment on Trump bragging about winning Indiana and South Dakota went sailing over Trump’s head.

    • Rita
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

      Indiana and North Dakota.

      • Posted December 11, 2018 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

        He got the point. Just tried to ignore it.

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted December 11, 2018 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

        Why two Dakotas, anyway? 🙂

        • Nicolaas Stempels
          Posted December 12, 2018 at 3:33 am | Permalink

          Let us get North, Central and South California 🙂

        • Diane G
          Posted December 13, 2018 at 2:59 am | Permalink

          We should just bundle the Dakotas and Wyoming. (Even then it would have a population only around size of New Mexico.) Get rid of 4 red senators.

          • Posted December 14, 2018 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

            I’d suggest taking over these states.

            • Diane G
              Posted December 15, 2018 at 3:12 am | Permalink

              That doesn’t sound very Constitutional…;)

              • Posted December 15, 2018 at 7:01 am | Permalink

                It is: I mean anti-Trump people from overpopulated states moving into scarcely populated ones. This will invigorate the Dacotas and improve the respective senators.

              • Diane G
                Posted December 15, 2018 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

                @ Maya. Oh, that’s the way you were talking about. I agree, and have suggested it before…I don’t expect that to happen though.

              • Posted December 15, 2018 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

                Actually, a twisted version of what I propose already happened in a small scale in Minnesota, where Somalis settled and elected Ilhan Omar.

              • rickflick
                Posted December 15, 2018 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

                Idaho gets quite a bit of immigration from California which is shifting the complexion of the state from blood read to candy apple red(slightly less conservative). In the last election a ballot measure to expand Medicaid actually passed!
                Some Californians gravitate to Idaho because they are conservative who feel surrounded by idiots, but other simply because cost of living.
                Perhaps, in time, all states will be happily, classically, liberal.

              • Diane G
                Posted December 15, 2018 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

                What a pleasant thought!

  23. ladyatheist
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    “It’s called transparency”

    Me: So is releasing your tax returns.

    Also me: mike drop

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted December 11, 2018 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

      It’s called opacity.

      • Diane G
        Posted December 13, 2018 at 3:05 am | Permalink

        *rimshot*

  24. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Ouch! That tweet is misquoting Pink Floyd, it’s ‘firing _line_’

    (though the first Google listing has it wrong too).

    cr

  25. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    I just watched it.

    What a fucking farce.

    That orange cretin babbles continuously, usually on one note only, repeating the same catch phrases over and over. Does anyone believe those percentages he glibly quotes? Because I don’t.

    Top marks to Schumer for making it obvious that the shutdown is just tRump having a hissy fit; and to Pelosi for saying, ever so indirectly, that she prefers not to call tRump a liar to his face in public.

    Truly, the sooner this bad joke of a ‘President’ is gone, the better for everybody.

    cr

  26. Nicolaas Stempels
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    Contrary to most, I think Mr Trump did pretty well. He succeeded in reducing the problem into “Border Security”, and kept hammering on that. Who in his right mind would oppose border security?
    I think his crumbling base must have been reinforced.
    My point is, it is not you or me, seeing Mr Trump as a stumbling, bumbling moron, that count, it is his voters that count.

    • Posted December 12, 2018 at 6:35 am | Permalink

      Whilst I agree on the narrow point, Trump’s base won’t be enough to get him re-elected and this performance will not be increasing it.

      • Nicolaas Stempels
        Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:42 am | Permalink

        I’m not so sure, the EC, while not as skewed as the Senate, still gives a substantial advantage to voters in rural, sparsely populated states (ask Jblillie, In the EC, a vote in Wyoming carries more than 3 times the weight of a vote in NY or CA).
        And it is in those states that the bulk of the Trump followers are found.
        And then we did not even mention counting fraud as happened (in all probability) in 2016.

        • Posted December 13, 2018 at 3:44 am | Permalink

          But those states are never voting Democrat anyway. It’s only really the swing states that matter.

  27. Posted December 12, 2018 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    I’ve just watched it: comedy gold.

    I laughed out loud when Trump started saying “we are on opposite sides of the…” and then stopped as he realised where that sentence was going.

    Schumer effectively called him a liar to his face at least twice and Pelosi at least once.

    Also, I noticed that Schumer was corpsing towards the end. He thought the whole thing was as funny as I did.

    • Merilee
      Posted December 12, 2018 at 9:25 am | Permalink

      Had to look up “corpsing”…

      • Diane G
        Posted December 13, 2018 at 3:27 am | Permalink

        Me too; and I hope I remember it. Fun term, and usually I love it when this sort of thing happens on stage…Then again, I’ve never seen actors try it in a tragedy–that would be upsetting…

        • infiniteimprobabilit
          Posted December 13, 2018 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

          Corpsing is by definition not something anyone tries to do, it’s an inadvertent reaction, and usually against all the efforts of the actor to restrain themselves.

          (The only exception to this rule is where there is a play-within-a-play, that is the actor is playing a character who corpses.)

          cr

          • Diane G
            Posted December 13, 2018 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

            Indeed. “Try” was a poor choice of word.

            Yes, it starts unintentionally, but I have seen fellow actors jump in, sometimes less than helpfully, when one of their cast has corpsed. Especially when the faux pas was beyond salvage via ad lib.

    • rickflick
      Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

      Very good Saturday Night Live material.

  28. pablo
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    While the wall is a boondoggle, it would behoove Democrats to take border security seriously. I think that was one of Bernie’s appeals.

    • GBJames
      Posted December 12, 2018 at 7:29 am | Permalink

      Define “take border security seriously”.

    • darrelle
      Posted December 12, 2018 at 8:20 am | Permalink

      Since when has a Democratic executive, house or senate not taken border security seriously? I know when. Never. To claim Democrats have not taken border security seriously is to make a false claim. One of the many false claims that Trump and the Republican Party have pushed for years as part of their propaganda campaign to incite their base. It’s bullshit and as with all of their lies the information that readily shows the claim to be false is available for anyone to look up should they wish to take the time to find out the truth.

      • Nicolaas Stempels
        Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:46 am | Permalink

        Indeed, all the upgrading and fencing and indeed walls, that are being built now were budgeted for by Mr Obama, once again Mr Trump takes credit for Mr Obama’s ‘achievements’.
        But tell that to the cultists….

        • darrelle
          Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:54 am | Permalink

          That is indeed the problem. The whole problem. But for that Trump wouldn’t be in the White House. There really are “suckers born every minute.”

        • Posted December 14, 2018 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

          As far as I know, this achievement was never popularized by Democrats.

    • Posted December 14, 2018 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think so.

  29. Blue
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Two sweet excerpts … …

    “This is a common enough aphorism, but it’s usually delivered with a more vulgar synonym. The introduction of “tinkle” makes it — well, rhetorically, it accomplishes a lot of things. It makes the entire quote repeatable, for one thing, guaranteeing media attention. But it’s also a self-consciously prim word. A potty-training word. The kind of word that pegs its user as simultaneously polite and saucy, and that depicts Trump as a toddler in need of pull-ups.” and

    “It’s worth mentioning, I guess, that Pelosi shouldn’t have had to wear the perfect coat and choose the perfect naughty phrases to become so beloved. That’s not how it would work in a merit-based world instead of a meme-based one. Male politicians don’t age into feisty grandfathers in the public’s eye; they get to age into statesmen. But by leaning into the archetype, Pelosi was conveying a carefully crafted message: Everyone else around her might need pull-ups. She was old and experienced, and by god, she was feisty enough to take on them all.”

    out of the Post thus:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-people-love-a-feisty-grandma-so-nancy-pelosi-gave-them-one/2018/12/12/b2706b8e-fd7d-11e8-862a-b6a6f3ce8199_story.html

    Blue

  30. Matt Foley
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    So much for Mexico paying for the wall.

    Dennison loves to dominate others by interrupting them. Saying “Excuse me, excuse me” doesn’t make it less rude although he thinks it does.


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