University of Wisconsin students claim that the college’s ice cream is insufficiently inclusive, and marginalizes some students

When I visited the Freedom from Religion Foundation in Madison, Wisconsin a few months ago, I made a special point of visiting the dairy store at the nearby University of Wisconsin (UW)—the Babcock Dairy—which is famous for its ice cream. (The school is partly an “ag school”, with departments that teach agriculture, farming, and associated skills to students. The dairy is part of that endeavor.)

The ice cream (I had two scoops) was absolutely terrific: creamy and flavorful. I thus learned with interest this week that, according to the student newspaper, the Badger Herald, the student government at UW is voting on a resolution to change the composition of Babcock ice cream so that it no longer includes beef gelatin. That ingredient, according to the students, “excludes Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, Vegetarian, and Vegan students from partaking in eating the official campus wide traditional ice cream that is often listed as part of the ‘Wisconsin experience’.”

As the Badger reports, the students are not only asking for a change in the ice cream so that everyone can enjoy it (they seem to have forgotten about vegans, who don’t eat dairy products at all!), but also that the UW administration undergo an act of contrition for having “marginalized religious students” (my emphasis below):

If passed, ASM [Associated Students of Madison] would formally acknowledge having Babcock ice cream as the official ice cream of UW as marginalizing to religious students on campus. ASM would then task members on the student dining committee and student representatives on the Union Council with discussing options to address the “Babcock Ice Cream issue” within their committees and ASM would attempt to work with Babcock Dairy to make the ice cream more inclusive to students on campus.

With this legislation, ASM would also recommend that the UW administration, unions and dining halls also acknowledge Babcock ice cream as marginalizing religious students. ASM would also condemn UW sponsored events with Babcock ice cream and would not host events offering the ice cream until “the matter is solved and finalized,” according to the text of the legislation.

If the measure passed, Ben-Yitschak said possible solutions to the matter could include replacing all beef gelatin with vegetable gelatin or simply expanding the variety of ice creams without beef gelatin. These solutions would be decided by ASM committees, who could work more closely with UW officials.

You can read the student resolution and hear the discussion by clicking on the link below (you can download pdfs and hear the audio), and I’ve put at the bottom the student resolution itself.

But the kicker, as the Badger adds, is that the Babcock Dairy already produces ice cream without beef gelatin stabilizer, and it’s always available to students:

In a statement sent to The Badger Herald, Scott Rankin, chair of the food science department defended Babcock Dairy’s inclusion of gelatin in some flavors of the ice cream.

Rankin said Babcock Dairy offers a variety of frozen dairy desserts outside of ice cream that do not feature gelatin and that they also produce an array of “super premium” ice creams, which are gelatin free. Babcock Dairy tested out variations of their ice cream products, but that the result simply did not live up to their original recipe.

“In spite of having all of our campus heads of state as evaluators as well as many companies’ stabilizers, we were not able to replicate traditional gelatin-based Babcock Ice Cream,” Rankin said. “The vegetable stabilizer products were good, but just different from our traditional product that so many alumni know, love and expect.”

Given that, I don’t know what the students are (excuse the pun) beefing about. They can have their special ice cream without meat products. There’s always some available. It’s just that they can’t partake of the regular ice cream that the dairy produces (and remember that this production is to help train students and others to make and sell ice cream, not merely to sell a treat to students).

What the students are trying to do is make the traditional ice cream largely or completely unavailable to all students. (This demands on whether the fascists still allow the production of some beef-gelatin-containing product.) And this is, as always, in the name of making sure that students’ feeling aren’t hurt. As the resolution below says, “symbolic issues like these have always and will always play a critical role in whether marginalized students and people feel welcome, included, and connected to their community.”

Get that: critical role. A critical role. Give me a break! This is a prime example of authoritarian Leftism, whereby the offended group, which already can partake of ice cream, has to force everyone to conform to their own standards. The setup now includes everyone save vegans, and I just can’t get excited about forcing the Babcock Dairy to produce vegan ice cream without milk.

If beef gelatin alternatives weren’t already available (and the dairy does have signs to that effect), then I’d be a bit more concerned. Vegetarians are sufficiently numerous in society that it’s a good idea to have a vegetarian alternative in restaurants. The Babcock Dairy already has not just one, but several.

As it stands, we have a bunch of whiny and privileged students trying not just to force everyone to conform to their ideology (it’s like demanding that McDonald’s stop selling any beef hamburgers and go to 100% tofuburgers), but also to demand an act of contrition from the University. It’s risible. I’m only glad that the University of Chicago doesn’t have a dairy!

Here’s the resolution, which sounds like something out of China’s Cultural Revolution:


  1. JezGrove
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Given that there are several vegetarian version always available, they’re nuts – which marginalizes some other students…!

    • Torbjörn Larsson
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

      I can eat meat given breeding and slaughter are decent.

      But currently wild caught fish feels a bit problematic to me, besides the obvious pain involved. A recent paper indicates – albeit not secures – that at least one species of fish passes the spot test for self awareness. I thought the Norwegian method of instant fish slaughter (crushing the skull) was “overkill”, but I have reconsidered.

      • ladyatheist
        Posted September 16, 2018 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

        I won’t eat fish, either. I don’t believe in taking food away from apex predators when there are plenty of land-dwelling animals to eat.

    • eric
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

      Yeah I can’t see the point here; the company identified the problem and produced a solution years ago.

      Maybe this is solved by a relabeling. If the students are complaining that the ‘official’ ice cream isn’t available to everyone, then simply switch around names. The “Babcock frozen dairy desserts” become “Babcock ice cream” and the “Babcock ice cream” becomes “Babcock ice cream classic.” Now everyone can get the ice cream! And us dirty beef-eating primitives must be satisfied with getting ‘classic’ instead. ;).

      • Posted September 17, 2018 at 2:34 am | Permalink

        I thought the use of “ice cream”,was a legal issue?


  2. Merilee
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 1:27 pm | Permalink


  3. okaro
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Ice cream is an inherently dairy product. I find strange those vegans ab vegetarians who see animals use immoral and yet want products that imitate animal products.

    The above shows that inherently it is not about personal choice but control on what others can do. It is fundamentally no different from what religious people do. Neither have inherent wish to respect the choice of others but if they do not want to force their views that is just because they see that it likely would be unsuccessful.

    • eric
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

      AIUI vegans object to using animal products such as milk, but vegetarians don’t.

  4. Ken Kukec
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    … (I had two scoops) …

    Here’s hoping that’s the onliest thing you ever have in common with the Donald. 🙂

  5. Mark R.
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    How do students with this type of mindset even function on a day to day basis? What a crazy way to live- on the constant look-out for any action or historical reality that can offend, and creating new offenses all the time…like cultural appropriation.

    Well, I have one thing to say to these snowflakes: outside of your protective campus, the real world awaits.

    • Historian
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

      The thing to keep in mind is that social and political movements, such as social justice, start off with the best of intentions and goals, but are often “hijacked” by extremists. This is because such people, motivated by ideological fervor, are dedicated activists who overwhelm those who are sympathetic to the original goals of the movement, but simply lack the energy or commitment to fight the extremists. Such a phenomenon is totally commonplace from major revolutions to the takeover of political parties to a movement to change the ice cream served on a college campus. Extremism of whatever its ilk can only be contained if there are enough people concerned enough to oppose it. This is often not the case, meaning that the originators of the movement are shunted aside, extremists take over, and bad things result. Extremists, whether on the Right or Left, have an authoritarian mindset. They are not reluctant to use intimidation, whether verbal or physical, to achieve their ends. As Edmund Burke supposedly said, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Regarding the incident under discussion, let us hope there are enough people on the University of Wisconsin campus to quash the implementation of this foolish and authoritarian resolution.

      • infiniteimprobabilit
        Posted September 17, 2018 at 1:37 am | Permalink

        Yes, and the extremists condemn anyone less fanatical (or with a better sense of proportion) as ‘not being true [whatevers]’.

        I think everyone should have a standard response to “Are you with us or against us?” type questions – “Against you, then!”


    • Diana MacPherson
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

      I suspect they are forever traumatized.

  6. GBJames
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    If we had thought to do so we could have predicted this insanity.

  7. Ken Kukec
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    … but also that the UW administration undergo an act of contrition …

    May I suggest a lightly paraphrased version of The Act of Contrition that all Catholic school kids memorize before their First Confession:

    O my [Student Body], I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins because of Thy just punishments, but most of all because they offend Thee, my [Student Body], Who art all-good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to sin no more and to avoid the near occasions of sin. Amen.

    Or, maybe, needs MOAR self-abasement?

    • Diana MacPherson
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

      Hair shirt with the university emblem.

  8. Posted September 16, 2018 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Muslims and Jews are allowed to eat beef aren’t they? I’m sure gelatine from kosher/halal beef makes just as good ice-cream.

    • ladyatheist
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

      It would have to be certified and labeled as such.

      • Posted September 17, 2018 at 11:50 am | Permalink

        And no doubt produced in distinct (for some values of distinct) facilities.

    • Posted September 16, 2018 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

      I think, for Jews, that they’re worried about mixing meat and milk in one meal, which is prohibited (really Orthodox Jews keep one set of cooking ware for meat and another for dairy). But the majority of Jews doesn’t keep kosher in that sense.

  9. AC Harper
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Over in the UK we have the pleasure (and it is a pleasure) of watching the ‘Judge Judy’ arbitration show. Now you can criticise or analyse the contents but I often wonder ‘What would Judge Judy do?’ when you have differing claims.

    I don’t think she would entertain the student’s resolution when alternatives already exist.

  10. Brad
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    These snowflakes seem to suffer from a profound form of SELFISH cognitive dissonance wherein they want to dictate what the rest of society does in daily living. As the respondent above aptly states, the real world awaits you. Prepare for shock therapy, because no one really cares about your opinion.

    • Heather Hastie
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

      Exactly. Fu€k them!

      Besides, all religions marginalize people. Perhaps it’s time they learned what it’s like for the rest of us!

      Whether they like to admit it or not, religion is a choice. I’ve always objected to it being included in the same list as age, gender, sexuality, sexual orientation, race, culture, and the other things that aren’t a choice.

      • Posted September 17, 2018 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

        All those things are a choice. Or so we are told: Rachel Dolezal can change her race at will. I identify as 39, like Jack Benny, and have for decades.

        But I agree with your verb.

  11. Randall Schenck
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    It seems many of these people are still searching for one thing — It’s called a life.

  12. Posted September 16, 2018 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    There are far too many people going to university with 2-digit IQs. It seems that the only way some of these people can aspire to power is by attempting to influence other such inadequate individuals in this way.
    And it helps divert public attention from far more important issues that would otherwise threaten those in power.

    • Filippo
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think it so much IQ as a monumentally breath-taking sense of entitlement.

      • eric
        Posted September 16, 2018 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

        Well, illiteracy and innumeracy are different things. I think there’s also an anti-science tilt which is different from either but similar in concept. Smart people can read well, math well, and still not understand what “gelatin” is. This is particularly true given that religious proscriptions don’t really have as much to do with chemistry or biology as they do with stone-age slaughtering methods.

        Put another way, many 3-digit IQ students still probably fall for the “keep dihydrogen oxide out of our water” types of schticks. Because they don’t science as well as they math or English.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted September 17, 2018 at 1:44 am | Permalink

      Ableist! You are discriminating against stupid people! Idiots have rights too!

      Although I would say there is not necessarily much correlation between IQ and sense of proportion or common sense.


  13. ladyatheist
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t say entitlement is the problem, but wanting to find a meaningful cause that they can work toward solving. What a pity that racism, sexism, climate change, and economic inequality have already been solved. That leaves only impure ice cream.

  14. CAS
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Fighting to force people to sell lousy ice cream, a truly important cause! I can see that these students will most certainly lead us to greatness in the future!

  15. Diana MacPherson
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    What about the diabetics that can’t eat ice cream? Do they feel unwelcome too? I think this request is ableist & the students should apologize. Also, what about the lactose intolerant?

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

      I’ll drink to that. I mean I would if I wasn’t type II.

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted September 16, 2018 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

        Haha and look now I’ve inflicted a micro aggression on you.

        I try to eat lactose free. I am not lactose intolerant but my tummy doesn’t like ice cream. It’s to do with the whole FRUCTANS thing. I always have to decide if it’s worth the sore gut after if there is no lactose free option. Often I decide it is, then complain later. Future Diana always suffers.

        • Randall Schenck
          Posted September 16, 2018 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

          I can tell you from experience that even type II is nothing to mess around with. I was getting by just fine on a pill for several years and then went stupid on eating the wrong things for a short time. Next thing I knew I was in trouble and I had that blurred vision thing for more than a month. Really stupid…

          • Diana MacPherson
            Posted September 16, 2018 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

            Yes, I am surrounded by diabetics so I’m always preaching the “don’t mess with diabetes” line. My dad’s friend almost lost his foot. He keeps just eating crap food & giving himself a needle to compensate. My mom’s friend just lost her leg though she was careful, just happened anyway. My grandmother died from its complications as did others I’ve known.

        • infiniteimprobabilit
          Posted September 17, 2018 at 1:54 am | Permalink

          “Future Diana always suffers.”

          Right. To hell with the future. It isn’t here and it can’t come back in time to whack you on the head. 😉

          Not that I share your lactose problem but I can say that Future CR (morning after version) has often had words to say about Present CR and alcohol…


    • Posted September 17, 2018 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

      Or those who object to refrigeration?

  16. JonLynnHarvey
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Visiting England this summer, I discovered a marvelous flavor of ice cream called “honeycomb”, which has real honeycomb it it. Served at many Brit restaurants, it is completely unavailable in the USA.

    As a confirmed Anglophile, if not Brit, I feel a tad excluded here.

    Now if to rectify this, I demanded that ALL American ice cream have honeycomb, that would seem a bit daft and blinkered, would it not??

    • Posted September 16, 2018 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

      OMG that sounds fantastic. I’ve never seen that in the UK.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted September 17, 2018 at 2:00 am | Permalink

      By ‘honeycomb’, do you mean a sort of sugary foam? Like the interior of a Crunchie bar (aka ‘sponge candy’ in the US, so Wikipedia says). We have it here in NZ, called ‘hokey pokey’. A favourite of mine.

      I suppose now sugar has officially been decreed to be as poisonous as methylmercury, cyanide or Agent Orange, I’ll have to stop eating it.


      • Posted September 17, 2018 at 4:47 am | Permalink

        I don’t think so. I tried something similar in Cambodia. It was literal honeycomb. And I’m using “literal” literally.

        • Posted September 17, 2018 at 11:52 am | Permalink

          I thought honeycomb was made from what amounts to a wax. I remember as a kid my father brought home honey in the comb and we were each given some slices but you just sucked out the (very sweet) honey and threw away the comb, IIRC.

          • Posted October 19, 2018 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

            As a child, I have eaten also the honeycomb. It is like chewing gum, but better.

      • Posted September 17, 2018 at 7:33 am | Permalink

        Probably means the sugary foam thing à la Crunchie Bar. I’ve seen that a lot in British supermarkets but I’ve never seen ice-cream made with actual bees honeycomb

      • Posted September 17, 2018 at 10:37 am | Permalink

        I have never heard anyone call it “sponge candy”. I spent my childhood in the UK loving Crunchy bars. In the US, I always knew it as “honeycomb”. Perhaps that’s what candy makers like See’s called it but I am not sure. By coincidence, I had a Crunchy bar this weekend, found at a local Holland-America market. It was good!

    • gayle ferguson
      Posted September 17, 2018 at 6:56 am | Permalink

      This will be like ‘Hokey Pokey’, New Zealand’s national ice cream flavour. You can’t beat a good hokey pokey!

  17. Martin X
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    I’ve never seen an ice cream recipe that included gelatin.

    • Mark R.
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

      Me neither… custard base: eggs, milk, cream, sugar – no gelatin. This whole story is weird in regards to a home cook.

      Gelatin is used commercially for reasons of quality control. At least that’s what the goog’s tells me.

  18. ThyroidPlanet
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    An interesting distinction is raised :

    A diet can be described as vegan. An individual can adopt a vegan diet, yet fail to meet the definition of vegan as a personal identity e.g. they own leather products.

    Likewise a religion can be named Islam, yet what about the individual who claims to adopt it? They would have to be described as a Muslim. This can fail only when the “no true Muslim” fallacy is invoked.

  19. Jon Gallant
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    A group I founded many years ago is related to the students so concerned with ice cream’s
    inclusiveness. My group, which was called Kosher Goyim, propounded the view that Christian mysteries were best approached by means of Jewish food. In our Eucharist, the bread and wine is replaced by motzos and chicken soup, and we administer the sacrament of baptism by means of beef brisket. On college campuses, We further demand that all curricula be divided into separate milchik and fleishik categories. And our motto is: “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they eat.”

    • eric
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

      In Berkeley I attended an Easter service that included the bread and wine…plus water, milk, honey, grapes, crackers, and cheese. It was quite the one-hour feast. Evidently based on some old Greek Christian scripture. I have no doubt that if 3rd century Greeks would’ve come up with Rocky Road, they would’ve served that too.
      I was atheist by that point, doing it just to tell my parents I went to Easter service. But I gotta say, in hindsight I was glad that I went. Just for the different experience. 🙂

  20. Bobbie James
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    From what I read, the vegans did not say anything at all. It looks like you only talked about them. Now, the comments section is talking about vegans! So, no, contrary to everyone who wants to insult vegans, we do not wear leather, and part of the definition of vegan is to do everything we can to avoid animal products “that is practicable.” If our 20 year old couch is leather, it is not disqualifying!
    But, I agree that there is no need for one ice cream that fits all when it comes to the different religions and the vegetarians, because they could choose the other products available. However, even if there is a vegan product (and most of us vegans would just choose that), we have a valid point that everyone should be eating vegan ice cream, and that none of these other flavors should be bought. That is because we believe that animals should not be slaves for us or be killed for us.
    So, you see, there is a valid justification for the reasoning of the vegan ice cream, but not a valid justification for the ice cream without the beef gelatin – because it already exists.

    • Posted September 16, 2018 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

      Read line 26 and after of the student resolution, which explicitly mentions vegans. I guess you didn’t read closely enough.

    • Posted September 17, 2018 at 7:39 am | Permalink

      there is a valid justification for the reasoning of the vegan ice cream

      The justification is only valid if you believe that farming animals is morally wrong. Most people would disagree with you on that point.

    • XCellKen
      Posted September 17, 2018 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

      Are you the Bobbie James that used to make Youtube videos about Atheism nearly ten years ago ?

  21. Neil Wolfe
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    I can’t believe they even make ice cream on campus considering the heinous exploitation of ONLY FEMALE bovine in milk production. They should have to include bull milk also. Down with the dairy patriarchy!

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

      When it comes the bull milking, you first.

      • Neil Wolfe
        Posted September 16, 2018 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

        They only have that one teat so it takes forever to fill the pail.

    • eric
      Posted September 16, 2018 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

      The actual “down with the patriarchy” moment happens in year 1 or 2, when they slaughter 90% of the bull calves for meat.

    • Posted September 17, 2018 at 7:42 am | Permalink

      Have you ever wondered why dairy herds are exclusively female? And, more importantly, what happened to all the males?

    • XCellKen
      Posted September 17, 2018 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

      How DARE you ASSUME that all of the milk giving cows identify as female. Transphobe !!!

    • ladyatheist
      Posted September 18, 2018 at 10:30 am | Permalink

      The baby boys become veal.

  22. Barry Lyons
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    A friend (not a regular follower of this site) writes:

    “There is no such thing as vegetable gelatin. The closest I could come up with is carrageenan, and it’s still completely different.”

    • Posted October 19, 2018 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

      What if recombinant gelatin is produced by bacteria?

  23. Hempenstein
    Posted September 16, 2018 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Is Logic 101 offered in Madison?

    • Posted September 17, 2018 at 11:54 am | Permalink

      Actually, up until recently (not sure anymore) they had a very good philosophy of science reputation.

      • Posted September 17, 2018 at 11:54 am | Permalink

        (particularly philosophy of biology, IIRC, as it happens.)

  24. Posted September 16, 2018 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    These people are marginalizing sanity!

  25. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted September 17, 2018 at 1:30 am | Permalink

    Holy Jesus Christ on a fecking bicycle!

    What they urgently need to do is develop a beef-mutton-pork-meat product-dairy-peanut-gluten-egg-fat-salt-chemical additive-free icecream that everybody can eat (and nobody will want to). Good luck with that…


  26. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted September 17, 2018 at 2:06 am | Permalink

    I forgot – also sugar-carbs-calorie-artificial sweetener-processed anything free. Have I missed anything…?


  27. drawingbusiness
    Posted September 17, 2018 at 3:38 am | Permalink

    As I’ve been a vegetarian for more than 30 years, and I love ice cream, I feel justified in telling the authors of that resolution to Get F*cked. Vegetarianism, like religion, is a life-style choice. If something isn’t available to you because of your own choices, then tough nuggies. Deal with it.

  28. Bob
    Posted September 17, 2018 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    I scream.
    You scream.
    We all scream for no reason.

  29. GBJames
    Posted September 17, 2018 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    Fun fact:

    You can get Babcock Ice Cream at Sunn Cafe in Mount Horeb, WI.

    So the next time you visit the Mount Horeb Trollway

  30. Posted September 17, 2018 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Will they not just let the religious suffer for the choices they make? How can the religious be special if all of the dietary sacrifices they make turn out to be replaced by substitutes? Are we disfavoring Jews by not having a puller pork substitute? And why are there not more faux alcohol products with a punch for all of those teetotaling religions?

    Let the religious be special by what they eschew.

  31. Posted September 17, 2018 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    I would think that the cream would exclude the vegans.

    That said, ice cream shouldn’t need gelatin to set, that’s what the eggs are for in the creme anglaise.

    • Posted September 17, 2018 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

      Who said need? They like it that way.

  32. Posted September 17, 2018 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    A few years back CMU was criticized for having painting in their art programs use poisonous or otherwise environmentally harmful paints. They took this as an opportunity, not a burden: the chemistry department and the fine arts faculty teamed up to offer a course that had as mandate a search for replacements for transition metal compounds (of chromium particularly) used in painting. It was well received by all, apparently.

    So perhaps the chemists (and it is apparently a good chemistry school) should offer a course to develop a good process for a beef-like gelatin which doesn’t need the animal source.

    • Posted September 17, 2018 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

      if I object to eating pecans or watermelons would you suggest an inquiry to replace these offensive comestibles? Heather has the right response: f*ck them. Scolds and bullies.

  33. barael
    Posted September 18, 2018 at 4:29 am | Permalink

    This is about making the school officials ask “how high” when told to jump. The ice cream is a barely (or rather, poorly) veiled facade.

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