Sarah Jeong, named NYT’s lead technology writer, has a history of racist tweets

On February 13, the New York Times hired Quinn Norton to write about technology for the paper, and later that day fired her. The cause was Norton’s history of questionable tweets, as well as a friendship with a white supremacist—things that social media apparently called to the paper’s attention. According to Wired, the issues are more complicated than that, and Quinn’s “racist” tweets might have been misinterpreted.  I take no stand on this because I haven’t followed Quinn’s story, but the fact is that the paper decided to let Quinn go because of her bigoted tweets in the past.

The case of Sarah Jeong, however, just hired by the paper as the head technology writer, seems less complicated, as there’s no way one can interpret her tweets —made between 2013 and 2015—charitably. They’re racist, bigoted (against white people, especially men), and numerous. Here’s the Time’s announcement yesterday of Jeong’s hiring (click on screenshot to see it on the NYT site):


Jeong’s Twitter handle is “professional twiter name” (she now uses her real name), and here are some of her tweets unearthed by various sources. These are screenshots saved and tweeted by others, or collected by others, and I haven’t verified their existence on her Twitter feed; I suspect they’ve been deleted. Have a look at these, which go back four years or so. I believe they’re all authentic because the paper itself has admitted she engaged in this behavior (see below):

Here’s a collection:

 

 

 

You can see more at the right-wing websites The National Review and The Daily CallerIn this case even the conservatives got the facts straight.

Now these could have been fabricated tweets, but the Times itself has more or less admitted that they were real (see below). And if they are real, then there’s no way they can be interpreted charitably.  If the Times fired Quinn because of her history of questionable tweets, it has set its own standard, and must therefore fire Jeong.

But they’re defending her, saying that her tweets came from her being harassed and she was merely “respond[ing] to that harassment by imitating the rhetoric of her harassers.” Here’s the NYT’s defense. 

That is absolutely pathetic when set next to the case of Quinn. Can you imagine what would happen if a black man harassed a white woman and she responded with racial invective, calling for the extinction of black people and using the word “nigger”? That kind of “response in kind” would be deemed unacceptable.

The differential treatment of Quinn and Jeong seems to derive solely from Jeong being an Asian woman rather than a white woman. I can understand this hypocrisy in no other way.  Jeong’s defense, clearly written in collusion with the Times, reproduces two cases of abuse she’s gotten. Just two, and even if there are more this is no excuse for her racist tirade. Further, perhaps people should go back and see if in all these cases she was responding to online harassment. Frankly, I don’t believe it.

Should anybody be fired for a history of racist tweets? Readers can weigh in on that below; I have no firm opinion. My point here is simply that the New York Times, which I maintain is becoming a Control Leftist paper, is engaging in arrant hypocrisy by treating two identical cases differently based solely on ethnicity.  In this case the content of the women’s character was outweighed by the color of their skin.

My respect for this paper has eroded rapidly, and this case is the kicker. The paper is reprehensible.

 

 

106 Comments

  1. mikeyc
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    The Times new motto; “It’s ok when we do it”

    • Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

      The official motto of SJWdom.

      • XCellKen
        Posted August 2, 2018 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

        I prefer BDSM Doms to SJW Doms !

        • mikeyc
          Posted August 2, 2018 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

          TMI, XCell, tmi.

  2. GBJames
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Sub

  3. W.T. Effingham
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Maybe it’s just me, but it seems this lady is an extreme outlier. Most Asians and Asian American people (particularly Koreans) have seemed quite cordial to this old white(prematurely white haired) guy. If I were to venture a guess, I’d say she represents about 0.00012 percent of her particular demographic.

    • Witt Quickly
      Posted August 3, 2018 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

      Like any group, most Asians are nice to talk to, hang out with, and be be friends with. But this isn’t about most Asians, this is about the The Grey Lady (NYT) hiring someone, that if they had been white and said the same thing about any racial group other than their own, would have been fired on the spot. The New York Times is doubling down on its anti white rhetoric like most corporate owned news media.

      • Witt Quickly
        Posted August 3, 2018 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

        Two things…

        Oops, its Gray Lady not Grey Lady.

        My personal belief is that this sort of rhetoric, hate crime laws only being applied to whites that do this sort of thing, etc is the reason for Donald Trump being POTUS. This sort of behavior, from major news outlets and courts, will only lead to people pushing back and leaning more to the right. Which scares the hell out of me …

        • Posted September 30, 2018 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

          Yes, they keep picking on white people and then wonder why the latter develop a white identity.

  4. Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    I never meant to reply that she is a typical Asian in her attitudes! She surely is not.

    • Posted August 3, 2018 at 4:28 am | Permalink

      You didn’t imply that. But, an interesting point is raised that this sort of identitarianism starts getting people putting up their own identitairan defences. And we start having tyo fall over ourselves saing “Im not [whatever it is] ist”.

    • Posted September 30, 2018 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

      She might, however, be emulated by some other Asians when they see that employers like this behavior.

  5. FH
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    This is unfortunately complicated by the fact that lots of people have been fired recently over questionable social media content, James Gunn being the most recent example. I’m against twitter mobs dictating who is pure enough to keep their job and have defended each and every one of them. At the same time there are some things, some opinions, attitudes, character flaws that absolutely should disqualify someone from holding an influential public position. Open, proud and vicious racism is the best example of that. Her tweets are disgusting and were they directed at any other ethnic group there certainly wouldn’t even be a debate whether or not she should be fired. It’s unimaginable that she would even got as far as to be considered as an editor of the NYT, her public career would have ended long ago. I’d be fine with that. I also believe in second chances and the possibility that people realize how wrong they are and to change their minds. Unfortunately there is no indication that she actually has changed her mind and thinks her tweets were wrong. There’s no statement to that effect, no apology,only the frankly insulting excuse that she “responded in kind” and the assurance that she wouldn’t do it again (well, I’d hope so). The double standard at work here is becoming impossible to ignore but there seems to be no self-aawareness whatsoever on the part of the NYT editorial board. What’s their end goal here, I wonder. To destroy the credibility of the civil rights movement and anti-racism activists in general? I dread to think of it but this is where this is going.

    • Harrison
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

      The Gunn situation is fairly obviously a bit of alt-right concern trolling, which unfortunately liberals always seem to fall for. Gunn had apologized for and deleted those tweets years before, without prompting, which makes it a much more believable, sincere apology than simply “whoops I got caught.” Dredging them up after the fact is just another form of whataboutery. But until the left pulls its head from its nether regions it’s going to keep falling for it.

      Now this instance is rather different, because Jeong does not appear to even be contrite, let alone genuinely sorry for her statements. Rather she and her foul enablers are trying to justify every ugly word of it.

  6. Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    This is what you get when the Ctrl-Left demonizes white people. I suspect Jeong was sucked into it and didn’t think that her tweets would last forever and affect her future employability. My guess is that it was the female social media equivalent of locker room talk and that she isn’t really much of a racist.

    I realize that I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt here and with nothing really to base it on. Perhaps it is because my wife is also a Korean-American. (Must check her tweets!)

    I will leave it to others to determine Ms. Jeong’s fate but society is really going to have to come to grips with this problem. Are we really going to disqualify everyone who has a bad tweet in their history?

    • Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

      Are we really going to disqualify everyone who has a bad tweet in their history?

      How reasonable people would respond is one thing. The Regressive Left, otoh, believes we should wreck the careers & lives of anyone caught issuing such hatred — except when it’s one of their own. We need to call them out for their hypocrisy.

      (Of course, we know the patent response: it’s okay cuz it’s ‘punching up.’)

      • yazikus
        Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

        It really irks me that people think they can flout discretion, professionalism and decorum publicly and think they won’t face repercussions for it. I don’t think it is an age thing, as it happens across the spectrum. Which leaves me to believe it must be a hubris thing.

        • mikeyc
          Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

          Definitely hubris and so goes the world.

        • Posted August 2, 2018 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

          Not just that — if you behave this badly in public, but against the designated baddies, you are applauded & rewarded.

          Incivility is rampant and will tear us completely apart.

      • XCellKen
        Posted August 2, 2018 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

        +1

      • Michael Waterhouse
        Posted August 2, 2018 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

        Yep, a truckload of their own medicine is the only thing that might cause some reflection in the kneejerkers.

    • Nicolaas Stempels
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

      I somehow share your impression she is not really serious, can’t put my finger on it, maybe the burlesque nature of the insults?

      • Posted September 30, 2018 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

        I don’t think it matters. If someone writes the same about blacks, nobody would stop to discuss whether he is serious.

  7. Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Can you imagine what would happen if a black man harassed a white woman and she responded with racial invective, calling for the extinction of black people and using the word “nigger”?

    This line kind of reminds me of what happened to Vicki Momberg.

    She had just suffered a smash and grab, and went on to racially abuse the cop who was there to help her.

    Anyway – she got sentenced to two years in jail for that. She is currently out on bail pending her appeal.

    https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/vicki-momberg-granted-bail-pending-her-appeal-20180802

  8. Randall Schenck
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    I would simply say, the newspaper is pathetic. Who is in charge of the place, anyway?

    • mikeyc
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

      A.G. Sulzberger. EIC is Dean Baquet. Here’s his email; dbaquet@nytimes.com

      Drop him a line if you’ve got something to say about this.

      • Posted August 2, 2018 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

        Sent an old white guy comment 🙂

  9. Ken Kukec
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Jeong’s tweets are despicable and there’s no principled basis upon which to treat her situation any less harshly than Quinn’s.

    Can’t say I’m impressed by Ethan Ralph, though, with his bullshit nativist implication that naturalized citizens are somehow less American than the people “born here … who built this great republic.”

    • Saul Sorrell-Till
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

      I’ve engaged in counter-trolling in the past, purely to irritate bigots and general online arseholes. But this is so close to genuine racism as to be impossible to defend. If it were genuinely snarky firing back at people who were trolling her you’d expect there to be some direction and some specificity. Ie. she’d be posted following an attack by some racist who called her a ‘gook’. But this doesn’t seem to be the case. She just sounds incredibly unpleasant.

      You’re right about this Ethan Ralph though. What a nauseating little coda he added to that tweet. It’s people like him who make me so much less concerned by the illiberal left than I am by the alt-right.

      And before anyone says anything I’m concerned about both. But anyone who really thinks obnoxious students and intersectional twitter users are as big a threat as the populist right is not living in the real world.

      • Historian
        Posted August 2, 2018 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

        “But anyone who really thinks obnoxious students and intersectional twitter users are as big a threat as the populist right is not living in the real world.”

        You are absolutely correct. Anytime someone attempts to draw a false equivalency between the obnoxious left and the extremely dangerous populist right, that person must be rebutted immediately.

        • mikeyc
          Posted August 2, 2018 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

          If we can just get those SJW idiots to stop with this nonsense then everyone can re-focus on the much bigger real and present danger that the right presents.

          • FA
            Posted August 3, 2018 at 12:57 am | Permalink

            I don’t get this. It’s not like there are any alt-right newspapers, let alone any of the size and scale of the New York Times. There’s hardly any conservatives, let alone alt-rightward in academia, yet it is overflowing with Marxists and SJWs. The alt-right has absolutely no institutional power, and wouldn’t exist at all if the control-left hadn’t been playing identity politics for years until finally some whites said, “if we’re going to be the devil anyway, may as well be devilish”. Yet it is the right that presents a danger.

            • Saul Sorrell-Till
              Posted August 3, 2018 at 6:02 am | Permalink

              The alt-right has a representative of precisely their brand of politics in power in the whitehouse, they have colonised the internet, social media, they pour out memes day after day, they recently engaged in a breathtakingly hypocritical and successful hit job on James Gunn purely because he opposes Trump, figureheads of their movement have been and are members of the current US administration, they have website after website dedicated to their pathetic inanities in the shape of Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, Daily Caller, etc and YouTube politics vlogs are basically 80% alt-right anti-SJW rantings.

              Even setting that aside, notice I said ‘populist right’ as well. Are you seriously telling me you think that the populist right/alt-right(call it what you will, I don’t think there’s a particularly significant distinction there in the first place) are not more of a threat than a bunch of Twitter SJWs, some obnoxious students and sanctimonious academics, who in thirty years of fiendish hegemony in the humanities have invented…safe spaces and no platforming? Seriously, give me a break.

              • Posted August 3, 2018 at 8:37 am | Permalink

                Again, agreed.

              • FA
                Posted August 3, 2018 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

                I think your sense of proportion is off if you think a couple of guys on Twitter is in anyway comparable to having the means and desire to indoctrinate a complete generation of young adults who will become future leaders and having a newspaper of the stature of the New York Times legitimise racism against whites. As to the idea that the US government is run by alt-fighters, that’s completely laughable.

              • Posted September 30, 2018 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

                With these safe spaces and no platforming, they recently destroyed a university (Evergreen).

            • Ken Kukec
              Posted August 3, 2018 at 9:24 am | Permalink

              The white-nationalists have taken over one of this country’s two major political parties. (Christ, half of registered Republicans still believes, after all these years of debunking, that Barack Obama is a secret Kenyan-born Muslim.) This is why a vulgar, unfit buffoon like Donald Trump enjoys a 90% approval rating among registered Republicans — and why, in turn, Trump constantly plays to this white nationalist base with his tweets, and has larded his administration with people they approve of.

              This white-nationalist wing of the Republican Party also has a powerful contingent in the United States House of Representatives, the so-called “Freedom Caucus” (along with its many fellow-travelers). The rest of congressional Republicans are petrified of this wing of the GOP because they know they cannot win a national election without them. Those Republicans won’t enact any policy that crosses them, and have to be dragged kicking and screaming to say so much as a word that might rile them up.

              The so-called “Control-Left”? If you interned the whole lot of ’em in a single congressional district, they wouldn’t be able to muster enough votes to elect a single congressperson of their own.

              • Saul Sorrell-Till
                Posted August 3, 2018 at 9:57 am | Permalink

                +10

              • Jim Swetnam
                Posted August 3, 2018 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

                I completely agree. Much more invective is poured on possibly misguided liberals on this site than on the much more vicious and dangerous alt-right. This is a troubling skew that dampens my enjoyment of what is otherwise my favorite website

              • Posted August 3, 2018 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

                Isn’t that because these misguided liberals come from our own liberal ranks? I feel like we are fighting the so-called conservatives alongside them but they are using the wrong weapons or, possibly stretching the metaphor too far, they are pointing their weapons back at their own ranks.

              • Jim Swetnam
                Posted August 3, 2018 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

                “Isn’t that because these misguided liberals come from our own liberal ranks?”

                The most common attitude here seems to be that we should make it our priority to criticize them, and basically ignore the offenses of the right, but while most of the commenters here appear to be liberals, there is also a number of posters that have a definite alt-right voice. These are the ones who use codewords like SJW, and snowflake and use classic conservative lines like ” I did not leave liberalism, liberalism left me.” It does add to the spice of these discussions to engage some of these voices. Still, often it seems like aid and comfort.

            • Jim Swetnam
              Posted August 3, 2018 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

              People who use code words like SJW (they show up a lot in the comments on this site) I suspect alt-right trolls.

              • Posted September 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

                If our host gives me a notice that he considers me a troll, I’ll immediately stop commenting.

      • Posted August 2, 2018 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

        Agree.

      • Posted August 3, 2018 at 4:30 am | Permalink

        Shouldn’t “counter-trolling” be termed “Billy-Goating”?
        Just a thought

        • Saul Sorrell-Till
          Posted August 3, 2018 at 6:37 am | Permalink

          That’s great. It stewed in mind for a couple of minutes before I realised how clever it was.

  10. Curt Nelson
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    She not only embraces her nasty attitude, which makes her nasty in the first degree (it’s premeditated) but she waves it in public, which makes her judgement bad.

  11. Posted August 2, 2018 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    There is something about Twitter that brings out the worst in some people.

    • W.T. Effingham
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

      She needs a HUGE block of cheese to go with all her whines.

    • Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

      Yep. My theory which is mine is that it feels quite ephemeral so people just blurt out any old crap without considering the fact that it is visible to the whole World and it lasts forever, or until Twitter goes bust.

      I tend to judge most Twitter comments as being in the category of “they said it in the pub after a couple of beers”.

      • infiniteimprobabilit
        Posted August 3, 2018 at 7:20 am | Permalink

        Agreed.

        (Which is why Presidents should never, ever Tweet…)

        cr

  12. Steve
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Well, she does live in Portland so…

    • Mark R.
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

      Portland happens to be a beautiful city, full of diverse and friendly people, great restaurants and bars, music venues, and is 80 miles from some of the most beautiful beaches on the west coast.

      Lately I’ve been reading a lot of snarky comments about Portland. I don’t live there and never have, but stereotyping an entire city because it has a large SJW presence and somehow gained the moniker “SJW Capital” is unfair.

      • Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

        Yes, Portland is a nice place but you gotta keep those SJWs in line!

        • Steve Gerrard
          Posted August 2, 2018 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

          The serious SJWs are a quite small part of the population. Most people are much more level headed, however lefty or righty they swing.

      • Posted August 3, 2018 at 12:55 am | Permalink

        Thank you Mark R. I live in the Portland/Vancouver area and appreciate your defense of Portland. We also have two major rivers: the Columbia and Willamette. There is a very large forested park within the city. There’s one of the largest bookstores in the country, if not the world. And many other smaller ones. We are close to the beautiful Columbia Gorge, Mt. Hood, and the Cascades in addition to the ocean and beaches (access to which the public is entitled to.) We have art, literature and theater in addition to music. A great diversity of people and much to enjoy and do.

        It’s kind of interesting to be viewed now as a/the mecca for SJWs, etc., instead of rednecks.

        • Saul Sorrell-Till
          Posted August 3, 2018 at 6:05 am | Permalink

          I think most people have enough of a brain not to characterise an entire city in such a fatuous way. Don’t worry. 🙂

      • Posted September 30, 2018 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

        + 1

  13. JB
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Imagine if she had said this instead:

    https://imgur.com/a/wQCvqaF

  14. Ken Kukec
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    The happenstance of the circumstances of one’s birth tends to have a huge impact on one’s life opportunities. But the happenstance of one’s birth has nothing whatsoever to do with one’s intrinsic human value. The failure to comprehend and distinguish those two things is the primary blunder of both the rightwing and the regressive left.

  15. mikeyc
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    You asked a question of us; “Should anybody be fired for a history of racist tweets?”

    My opinion is yes, sometimes it is appropriate, but it is tactic that must be wielded with compassion, reason, consistency and, above all with proportionality to the offense. By proportional I mean the timing (offenses years or decades old get different treatment than recent ones), what was actually said and the context in which it was must always be taken into consideration.

    So, in other words – it is never going to happen that way.

    In Ms Jeong’s case I could even say she should not lose her job, if she had owned up to her vile, racist ideas. But she didn’t. She doubled down and lied to justify her nastiness (there is no reasonable defense against it) and the NYT colluded with her in that lie.

    The NYT has one chance to make this right; fire her ass.

    • Posted August 2, 2018 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

      Yes, it is Jeong’s failure to own up to her mistakes with her lame “they did it first” excuse that makes me think she is no less of a racist now than she was then.

      • Posted August 2, 2018 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

        And her excuse is premised on false equivalency, anyway. She received some personal attacks. But she made attacks on an entire class of people, most of whom would’ve vigorously defended her from her attackers.

        The generalization in identity politics is intellectually lazy and needs to stop.

  16. Adam M.
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    The differential treatment of Quinn and Jeong seems to derive solely from Jeong being an Asian woman rather than a white woman.

    I’m pretty sure it’s because her target is white people. I don’t think they’d stand for an Asian woman who was bigoted towards blacks or Muslims.

  17. Stewedprune
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Her statement isn’t exactly an apology but she did express deep regret, said she understood how hurtful the posts were out of context (they were not aimed at a general audience), and says she wouldn’t do it again. Isn’t it possible to take that at face value? There is another side to this matter, e.g. the post below:
    https://reason.com/blog/2018/08/02/sarah-jeong-new-york-times-racist-tweet

    • BJ
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

      What’s to take at face value? Like you said, it’s not even an apology. It basically amounts to saying, “I’m sorry people find my views offensive, and I’m sorry I expressed them in such a public and nasty way that is now threatening the best job I’ve ever been given.”

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

      I like that article. Well written and eminently reasonable, IMO.

      cr

  18. Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    To me there is a clue of where her “anger” stems from and this is just an observation from this post.
    First, why would she be doing this,
    “… as well as a friendship with a white supremacist”
    that makes no sense to me if she is hell bent on running old white guys down (six feet by the sounds of it)
    and two, what about old white women, young white female or male? no mention of these. Does she have a problem with them?
    I provisionally state that she has had a problem possibly of her own doing and can take a guess, but can’t be bothered.
    Anyhow, the big brush came out and all old white guys characterised as worth giving the verbal bash… and a knee.
    It seemed that not all were old though and she, may not be as mature as she thought she was and was fully baited, what let down, tweets up your tosh.
    Still this doesn’t give the NYT’s a let off, all colours should be weighted equally… so that would be fail.

  19. BJ
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    I think that, at the very least, one shouldn’t be given the job of editing a (somewhat still) respected news publication if they expressed racist views dozens of times over several years, especially if that publication still maintains a pretense of seriousness. Normally, I don’t like seeing people fired for this kind of thing, but the differences here are (1) the position she is being given, and (2) the virulence and consistency of her expressed views.

    I guess this is what “inclusivity” looks like these days…

    • BJ
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

      Sorry, I meant to say racist and sexist views. Jeong has expressed not just hatred toward the majority of the NYT’s readers, but a desire to see them extinct.

    • BJ
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

      Also, it just occurred to me that the NYT almost certainly knew about these tweets before hiring her, so they clearly aren’t terribly bothered by them. Like Jerry said, if it were any other groups…

      • infiniteimprobabilit
        Posted August 2, 2018 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

        Well, BJ, seeing as how somebody’s carefully trawled through and collected them – are they that bad? If somebody went through all our comments on WEIT, would we come off any better?

        I can’t speak for you but I don’t think I would. 🙂

        cr

        • BJ
          Posted August 3, 2018 at 8:09 am | Permalink

          I’d be very surprised if either of us ever said anything as bad as what is in the vast majority of those tweets. I don’t remember either of us ever denigrating an entire race or sex, even going so far as to wish for their extinction or crowing about how much we enjoy treating them cruelly. I think the worst either of us has done is write in support of a policy position that others might find contentious and mock political groups, which are entirely normal things for any person and pale in comparison to blatant racism and sexism. But I am genuinely interested to know if you disagree with that and, if so, why.

          • infiniteimprobabilit
            Posted August 5, 2018 at 1:48 am | Permalink

            “wish for their extinction”
            What, ‘White people have stopped breeding. They’ll go extinct soon. This was my plan all along.’ ?

            How could anyone take that seriously?

            I’m not going to search my memory but I’m sure I’ve made comments quite as bad as Jeong, *in some contexts*, usually ironic, and I’d be prepared to defend them *in those contexts*.

            (See Jonathan Pie’s rant about ‘gas the Jews’ for an example of how context matters.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2bVS40cz0
            For the record – I doubt I would have squawked about ‘free speech’ if Youtube had pulled it, but I absolutely disagree with it being made a criminal offence.)

            My disagreement is based entirely on the suspicion that *anybody* who tweets all the time could be subjected to the same type of selective criticism.

            cr

        • Posted August 3, 2018 at 9:15 am | Permalink

          Any outrageous, insulting comments of the type Jeong has posted would get you banned on this site, I expect. Certainly warned.

          • infiniteimprobabilit
            Posted August 5, 2018 at 1:26 am | Permalink

            Yeah, but this site isn’t Twitter, is it?

            cr

  20. Mark Sturtevant
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    To the question that should someone be fired for a history of racist tweets. A qualified yes. It depends on whether the employer chooses to tolerate or not tolerate what their employee puts out on social media. If the employer thinks it creates an intolerable problem for them, b/c the employee makes them look bad, then sure. They can fire ’em.

  21. chris moffatt
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    What a nasty person. What will she be like when she grows up/

  22. Mark Sturtevant
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    On this we have an exceptionally clear case of racisim against white people, especially white men, produced by someone who appears to be a SJW.
    I want social justice. I heartily agree with the basal arguments of SJWs including their stance that the existing system tends to marginalize certain groups. But some SJWs regularly hint at outright racism against white people. And against Jewish people as well. Some may think I am being overly cautious in saying ‘some’.

  23. Posted August 2, 2018 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Well, in the bottom left picture she has a point about white culture being boring because all of the best attributes have diffused to other cultures leaving little ethnic exclusiveness to be proud of. Though I don’t think cultural appropriation is ever bad; imitation is the highest form of flattery. Well, except when Hollywood keeps replacing stories set in Japan that call for Asian actors with Tom Cruise and friends, because I want to see diversity in media.

  24. Posted August 2, 2018 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    The SJW press (Huffpo, Slate, etc) are now framing this as the NYT caving in to right-wing trolls. They claim Jeong was just engaging in satire. I wonder how similar satire about African-Americans, Asians, Muslims, Latinos or Native Americans would go over with the SJW press?

    • JB
      Posted August 3, 2018 at 2:06 am | Permalink

      How is defending her and keeping her on the staff “caving?”

      • Posted August 3, 2018 at 9:05 am | Permalink

        I dunno. I guess because the NYT demands that she refrain from such postings in the future.

  25. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Hmmm. I agree those tweets are aggressive, but it’s very easy to take things out of context.

    I can think of a few flamewars I had in the old days of bulletin boards (I don’t do Tw*tter) where I said specific things, entirely to piss off my antagonist, that I would not make as a considered statement for general consumption.
    (And so did everybody else). Obviously – from the couple of opposing tweets Jeong has quoted – she’s been involved in a few flame wars.

    I suspect it would be possible, by trawling through anyone’s Tw*tter history, to assemble an incriminating dossier about almost anybody – if you took their tweets out of context.

    I don’t know if that has happened in this case but it could well have done. That last left-hand tweet sequence quoted – which on further examination isn’t really anti-white – suggests somebody was scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    As for Quinn Norton, I have no idea what her tweets were like but it would be a fallacy to assume that the two cases must be identical.

    cr

    • Posted August 2, 2018 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

      Can’t be a bigot and an ironist both?

  26. SRM
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    How about this: if her replies really were just a knee-jerk tit for tat response to online abuse (as she claims, but which I do not believe), do her actions really represent the temperament and sober thought expected of a NYT editorial board member?

    The truth is, her views are as reprehensible as the people she would claim to oppose. Funny how it takes a high profile appointment to notice this.

    The solution to inequality and injustice is equality and justice. This fundamental point seems lost to some current social justice warriors.

  27. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    I can’t see her last couple of tweets as being unequivocally hatred of white people. Check this out:
    “Have you ever figured out all the things white people are allowed to do that aren’t cultural appropriation?
    There’s literally nothing.
    Like skiing maybe, and also golf.
    White people aren’t even allowed to have polo, did you know that?
    Like don’t you just feel bad? Why can’t we give white people a break?
    Lacrosse isn’t for white people either.
    It must be so boring to be white.”

    Now is that hatred of whites or a sarcastic knock at the ‘cultural appropriation’ bandwagon? It’s something I might well have said.

    And the other one –
    “I just realized why I can’t stand watching ‘Breaking Bad’ or ‘Battlestar Galactica’. The premise of both is just “white people being miserable” ”

    Now I don’t know Breaking Bad, but thinking back on BSG, that’s not entirely unfair comment. The cast was almost entirely white** (with, ironically, the chief exception being Grace Park, Number 8, who is of Korean extraction). And they did have a miserable time of it. After a while I actually found myself more interested in the Cylons. But it is a series that takes some time to immerse yourself in to appreciate the twists of the plot.

    Is her opinion of a couple of TV series ‘racist’? If so I must be beyond redemption.

    **Not that I see that as a bad thing, I don’t care what the makeup of a cast is

    cr

    • Posted August 2, 2018 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

      It really seems to me that in the first instance she is saying white people *are* boring. They’re so dull they haven’t come up with any interesting culture and have to “steal” interesting things from other cultures.

      In the second instance I think she’s accusing the shows of contradicting reality in an irritating way: white people can’t be miserable.

      I’m very hesitant to take her tweets at anything other than face value. I think it’s unlikely they aren’t representative of her real views, given how many there are and the amount of time they span. I may write something stupid and offensive in response to an attack, but not the same stupid and offensive (and hateful and bigoted, to be frank) thing over and over, over the course of years.

      • infiniteimprobabilit
        Posted August 3, 2018 at 7:18 am | Permalink

        But even taking her tweets at face value, are they really that bad?

        Is accusing a race of having a ‘boring existence’ really hateful?

        I don’t agree with your interpretation of the Battlestar Galactica tweet, by the way, but either way I can’t see it as terribly significant – criticising the premise of a sci-fi TV show?

        cr

        • Posted August 3, 2018 at 8:28 am | Permalink

          No, tweeting is not as bad as, say, using children as leverage in an attempt to waste money on building a xenophobic border wall. But Jeong doesn’t have the power to do anything as bad as what Trump and his administration is doing. Who knows what she’d do beyond tweeting if she had the power? As I wrote, these tweets imply a pattern of thought, not a one- or two-off momentary lapse of judgment.

          Yes, many of her tweets are what I’d call “hateful”. Someone from the right who made the same tweets about Muslims or blacks would be in for the same well-deserved (imo) deluge of criticism. Check out the link above from commenter JB.

  28. Taz
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    The cause was Norton’s history of questionable tweets, as well as a friendship with a white supremacist…

    Plot twist. According to the Daily Caller, Sarah Jeong had a friendship with the exact same white supremacist:

    LATEST NEW YORK TIMES HIRE ALSO HAD RELATIONSHIP WITH WHITE NATIONALIST HACKER

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

      So she exchanged a number of tweets with him in 2014?

      Well golly gosh, I just exchanged comments with you. Does that make us friends?

      cr

      • Taz
        Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

        The story says “friendly relationship”, which seems accurate from the tweets. At any rate, I don’t really care about her relationship or her racist tweets. To me, the most important element of this story is the hypocrisy of the the New York Times. The fact that they brought this person up in connection with firing Norton makes this relevant.

  29. Posted August 2, 2018 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    This seems relevant. She was a nasty, spiteful member of the mob in the past.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/33976/irony-social-media-mob-comes-sarah-jeong-who-ben-shapiro?amp&__twitter_impression=true

    • Taz
      Posted August 2, 2018 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

      tim hunt sad. tim hunt too sad to do science. twitter criticize him and he just start crying.

      Fuck her. Now I hope she does get fired.

  30. Posted August 2, 2018 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how her defenders will feel when Trump reads her tweets aloud at rallies, and in speeches.

    • Saul Sorrell-Till
      Posted August 3, 2018 at 6:06 am | Permalink

      I felt equally angry with the complete moron who attacked a car because it had a Trump sticker on it. I just think ‘thanks a lot. that’s a big help.’

      • Posted August 3, 2018 at 7:31 am | Permalink

        That sort of thing, if we see much of it, will mean GOP gains in Congress, and a second term for Trump.

        • Saul Sorrell-Till
          Posted August 3, 2018 at 10:00 am | Permalink

          Maybe. But then more of the current hurricane of sleaze, hypocrisy and all-round insanity from the American right will do the same in the opposite direction.

  31. Hempenstein
    Posted August 2, 2018 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Bad for the glass ceiling to disappear.

  32. Dave
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    I guess if it doesn’t matter if your reporter is obviously biased, she shouldn’t lose her job. Didn’t that sort of thing used to be of importance? THe real problem is that she wasn’t properly vetted, or she wouldn’t have gotten the job to begin with.

  33. Posted August 3, 2018 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    If Roseanne Barr got a second chance, so should Jeong. Of course, that didn’t turn out so well.

  34. Shane
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    I found the tweets upsetting at first, before I had context, before I found that her tweets were an absurdist ironic mimicking of racist rhetoric she encountered. Then I felt kind of silly.

    On a related note- http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-satirists-attacked-by-people-who-totally-missed-point/

  35. Ullrich Fischer
    Posted August 3, 2018 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Probably, no-one should be fired for years old tweets, but there definitely seems to be a double standard at play here, based on the idiotic idea that only whites can be racist. Probably no one should get involved in twitter wars altogether, but that’s a whole other issue.


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