North Korea still building long range missiles

Once again Trump has misunderstood North Korea’s intentions. As I predicted earlier (and here I’ll pat myself on the back, though this isn’t rocket science), North Korea has no intention of suspending either its nuclear program or its development of long-range missiles that can deliver weapons to the U.S. The DPRK’s raison d’etre is to be able to counter the imminent attack by America that all residents of the DPRK are warned about. That means that there’s a snowball’s chance in hell that they’ll stop developing weapons and delivery systems.

Read the new Washington Post article by clicking on the screenshot below:

An excerpt:

U.S. spy agencies are seeing signs that North Korea is constructing new missiles at a factory that produced the country’s first intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of reaching the United States, according to officials familiar with the intelligence.

Newly obtained evidence, including satellite photos taken in recent weeks, indicates that work is underway on at least one and possibly two liquid-fueled ICBMs at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe classified intelligence.

The findings are the latest to show ongoing activity inside North Korea’s nuclear and missile facilities at a time when the country’s leaders are engaged in arms talks with the United States. The new intelligence does not suggest an expansion of North Korea’s capabilities but shows that work on advanced weapons is continuing weeks after President Trump declared in a Twitter posting that Pyongyang was “no longer a Nuclear Threat.”

Trump is a moron. They’ll always be a nuclear threat and nothing will stop that save mutually assured annihilation and deterrence.

. . . some independent analysts think the Trump administration has misread Kim’s intentions, interpreting his commitment to eventual denuclearization as a promise to immediately surrender the country’s nuclear arsenal and dismantle its weapons factories.

“We have this backward. North Korea is not negotiating to give up their nuclear weapons,” Lewis* said. “They are negotiating for recognition of their nuclear weapons. They’re willing to put up with certain limits, like no nuclear testing and no ICBM testing. What they’re offering is: They keep the bomb, but they stop talking about it.”

That’s pretty much the way I see it.

*Jeffrey Lewis, director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies.

51 Comments

  1. Harrison
    Posted July 31, 2018 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Trumpkins’ delusions that he singlehandedly averted nuclear catastrophe is even more farfetched than whatever claptrap Kim feeds his people. But facts won’t convince them otherwise.

    • W.T. Effingham
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

      Trumpkin’s delusions plus the nine main impeachable categories, each with several impeachable offenses within, exacerbate the urgency the other two branches of government need to contain him. I cringe at the thought of his next tweetstorm from whichever throne he chooses. tRUMPENCEstance should not determine when or how we deal with Un.

      • mikeyc
        Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

        Come again? “nine main impeachable categories”… what?

        • W.T. Effingham
          Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

          Ok,I’ll confess. This goes above my pay grade. However one counts them, tRUMP does have some issues here. I’m rather certain, though, that needtoimpeach.com has named at least seven main offenses plus several within each.

          • Mark Sturtevant
            Posted July 31, 2018 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

            If he was a democrat in a republican controlled congress.

      • Heather Hastie
        Posted July 31, 2018 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

        Just to be pedantic, the surname is Kim, the first name is Jong-un. As in many Asian cultures, the family name goes first.

        I think of it as a cultural thing too as often in the same cultures the family is more important than the individual.

        Un sort of works though, by coincidence, as French masc. for one.

        • Randall Schenck
          Posted July 31, 2018 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

          So if I remember correctly, we would call someone by this name, Mr. Kim. I knew a lot of guys named Lee and would call them Mr. Lee. Over in Japan I called some by their first name and others by the last name.

          • Heather Hastie
            Posted August 1, 2018 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

            Yes, Mr Kim. The only problem is that a lot of Asians understand that we Westerners are an ignorant lot, so they reverse their name when in the West, and because we’re not familiar with their names we can’t tell the difference between a given name and a family name. So Kim Jong-un, if he was a normal person, might be known as Jong-un Kim when in the West.

            In Japan the correct term of respect is “san” after the family name for both men and women, but you can use it after the first name too. I have a Japanese sister-in-law, and in NZ no one uses “san” and it doesn’t worry her or any of her Japanese friends. They understand we don’t mean to be disrespectful. However, it does upset some people because they think we should know better and make the effort.

        • Harrison
          Posted July 31, 2018 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

          If I’m referring to Trump by his surname and Kim by his what’s the discrepancy?

          • W.T. Effingham
            Posted July 31, 2018 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

            You’re fine. I’m the one who called him “Un”.

  2. BobTerrace
    Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Trump screwed up royally on the Iran containment agreement and screwed up royally with North Korea. Did anyone expect different?

    It’s time to impeach, convict and execute Trump the traitor.

  3. Historian
    Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    This article is obviously FAKE NEWS, propagated by the warmongering leftist press. Our Leader has told us that North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat. It must be so. It should be obvious to all that if the greatest negotiator that has ever lived tells us something, it must be true. After all, he has kept his campaign promise to make America Great Again. I hope I can attend his next rally. I love being surrounded by real Americans.

    • W.T. Effingham
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

      +1/s.

    • Heather Hastie
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

      I saw a survey yesterday (YouGov) that shows his supporters 92% trust information that comes from Trump. c. 46% (?maybe 64%) iirc trust info from family/friends. And it was single digits for info from the media – 8 or 9% iirc.

      • Mike
        Posted August 1, 2018 at 7:22 am | Permalink

        My wife has a cousin in the US, who is a Trump supporter, supporter is the wrong term, she,s more of a follower of the Cult of Trump.
        Everything but Fox News is fake news, only Trump speaks the truth, facts mean nothing to her. Drives me nuts.!

        • Heather Hastie
          Posted August 1, 2018 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

          I’ve even come across a couple of NZers like that. It absolutely blows me away that a NZer could get sucked into the Cult of Trump. We don’t have the same excuse as many USians, who live their lives in silos. Our local media is all pretty balanced and our society is fairly homogeneous and egalitarian. It’s quite hard to be an extremist of any kind, which I think is why there are so few of any type. And a small population means that it’s harder for extremists to meet also, though that’s easier these days with the ability to meet up online.

    • Mark R.
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

      Life is grand in Oceania!!!

  4. Randall Schenck
    Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Yes, but don’t you feel much safer now that our great leader has chatted with Kim and shut down our military exercises with the south? Just kidding…

    North Korea is simply asking the question from that old song — Who will the next fool be. And now the orange man says he is ready to talk with Iran. Won’t that be fun?

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

      Trump gave Kim legitimacy on the world stage, a respite from increased sanctions, and suspension in US-SoKo military exercises.

      In exchange, Kim gave Trump one page of precatory pablum about denuclearizing the Korean peninsula — the same feckless bullshit the Kim dynasty’s been coughing up in US faces for decades.

      Art of the Deal, my ass.

      • Heather Hastie
        Posted July 31, 2018 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

        +1. A precise and concise summary.

      • Mark R.
        Posted July 31, 2018 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

        And don’t forget about the love letter he got from Kim. It was HUGE!

        • Zetopan
          Posted August 3, 2018 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

          And it was a “great letter” that he will tell us all about some day (most likely like his tax returns), even though he had not read the letter.

      • Zetopan
        Posted August 3, 2018 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

        That book title was misstated, it should have been the “Art of the Steal”. Trump has in excess of 3,500 lawsuits against him for non-payment of services. He actually bankrupted several smaller companies.

  5. Randall Schenck
    Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Many thought this guy was going to lead us to war with N. Korea. No, he was just rolling over.

    • W.T. Effingham
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

      Un will give him a reach-around. Il would not have.

      • W.T. Effingham
        Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

        Semi-colon in lieu of first period.😨

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think we’re outta the woods on war with North Korea. As it becomes undeniably clear that NoKo won’t be denuking, Trump’s burning humiliation — and preeminent war hawk John Bolton’s voice growling in his ear to “teach the little bastard a lesson!” — could push Trump over the edge into a military first strike. Never doubt that there’s anything Trump won’t do to avoid being labeled a “loser.”

      • Randall Schenck
        Posted July 31, 2018 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

        Yes, none of us is out of the woods until our own dictator is out of the building and permanently on a golf course or in the hole he crawled out of.

      • Posted August 1, 2018 at 11:42 am | Permalink

        Right – last time Bolton wasn’t directly in the picture.

  6. busterggi
    Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Surely Trump’s Space Patrol will protect us – Mars hasn’t attacked yet has it?

    • sgo
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

      But it is so close to Earth right now, a clear and present danger. Thankfully, just the talk of a Space Force will make it recede for sure, just wait and see!

  7. Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    To be honest, that is the sensible thing for North Korea to do. The US has shown itself to be neither trustworthy or stable in its international relations, and could change its policy at any moment, driven purely by internal political affairs. Best example is the Iran agreement; we withdrew from that in spite of universal agreement about Iran’s compliance.

    It makes sense for North Korea to maintain its weapons as a deterrent, just as we do.

    I am happy to see Trump dropping his earlier insane rhetoric. I am puzzled that many of the same people who (rightly) criticized his deranged comments, because they pushed the world towards a horrible war, are now criticizing the newer more pacific comments as well. The best attitude for the US to take is to try to get off this bandwagon to disarm NK and settle into a more realistic relationship.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

      Far as I recall, Trump was the only one on that band wagon to disarm or else. That was simply stupid. Sure the professionals, prior to Trump were always attempting different ideas to avoid the nuclearization of N. Korea but never got there.

      Fact is, as long as N. Korea has China and Russia taking care of it, we will accomplish nothing.

      • Posted July 31, 2018 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

        It seemed to me that much of Congress and many Trumpite Americans were also on that bandwagon.

        • Randall Schenck
          Posted July 31, 2018 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

          But you are speaking of the followers. Trump led this whole effort, pretty much by himself with his mouth.

          • Posted July 31, 2018 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

            Sure, but in any case, don’t you prefer the present situation?

            • Randall Schenck
              Posted July 31, 2018 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

              Sure but as Ken said, Trump will eventually wake up and start shaking the tree again.

              • Posted July 31, 2018 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

                Yes, that will be a problem, but we are exacerbating the problem by teasing him about being fooled. That will force him to save face, and the only way for him to do that is to go back to hostile rhetoric, or beyond mere rhetoric. Do we really want that? There are enough genuinely bad things he’s done that we can complain about. Complaining about his softness on NK seems like a really bad idea. Let sleeping dogs lie.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

      Well said.

      North Korea will never be in a position where it could “win” a nuclear war against the US, and Kim knows it.

      I think he just wants to be in a position where the US couldn’t “do an Iraq” on him with impunity. The prospect of a couple of NK nukes landing on Los Angeles are all he needs for that. As PCC said, deterrence.

      cr

  8. Ken Kukec
    Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    North Korea has no intention of suspending either its nuclear program or its development of long-range missiles that can deliver weapons to the U.S.

    In other words, a Trumpian “win”? Sad!

    It’s all a Deep-State conspiracy to deprive the Donald of the Nobel peace prize that’s rightfully his.

    On to Tehran for a summit with Rouhani and Dear Leader’s next great victory. #MAGA

  9. Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think Trump has misinterpreted anything when it comes to North Korea. While Trump is a moron when it comes to learning from books and experts, he is a master at self-promotion and putting on a show. In his mind, it all ends with his declaration of victory. He has no real interest in solving the North Korea problem except as it helps him tell a story to his supporters that makes him look like a winner in their eyes.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

      Well, their eyes must be totally blind then. If he has no interest in solving the N. Korea problem he had a really odd way of showing it. I know of no one who would come to that conclusion about this idiot. Who threatens war and then makes a big production out of a meeting and accomplishes nothing. In fact, comes back a loser.

      • Posted July 31, 2018 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

        Perhaps you missed his tweets. We’re all safe now. I don’t watch Fox News but I am sure they are still declaring the NK mess as a Trump win. Kellyanne Conway went so far as to say something like “These are early days.”

        Here’s my prediction. If Trump responds at all to this latest news, he will simply repeat a cycle of bluster, meet, and declare victory. He better start soon if he’s going to influence the midterms.

        • Randall Schenck
          Posted July 31, 2018 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

          Well, I do not watch fox news but I also do not pay any attention to the tweets from him. My comments were based on my observations and understanding. I watch what he does, not what he says and that seems to work best.

  10. Ken Kukec
    Posted July 31, 2018 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    It’s all fun & games until Trump decides to launch a “splendid little war” out of some toxic blend of hubris, burning humiliation over his NoKo debacle, and his desperate desire to slip the noose of the special counsel’s ever-tightening investigation.

    The people of Pyongyang and Tehran should rest fitfully — as should we all.

  11. W.T. Effingham
    Posted July 31, 2018 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    My bad (again). I tend to be conversational in my vernacular in these comments. It’s just that out here in flyover central (if you draw an X from N.Y. to LA.and Seattle to Miami, I’m a mere 700 miles from the intersection) conversations on these topics (Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong-Il, Kim Jong-Un) tend to either be overheard and misinterpreted as “those guys are talkin’ china talk” or which Kardashian?

    • W.T. Effingham
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

      Intended as a reply to kiwi H.H.’s correct on my rant earlier today. (I get even sloppier as the day goes on😊.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

      ‘flyover central’

      After some cogitation I’ve managed to interpret that as the midwest. As in, that area that everyone flies over in airliners without ever landing.

      But I instinctively interpret it as meaning LA, with its legendary square miles of freeways and complicated junctions – ‘flyovers’ in British parlance. (I think you call them ‘overpasses’?)

      cr

  12. Torbjörn Larsson
    Posted July 31, 2018 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    “They are negotiating for recognition of their nuclear weapons.”

    Political scientists said this from day one.

    • Torbjörn Larsson
      Posted July 31, 2018 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

      (I think.)

  13. Posted August 1, 2018 at 3:47 am | Permalink

    We need to face reality: unless civilization collapses beforehand, most or all countries will very likely have nukes and ICBMs by 2100. We should prepare for such a world, and stop pretending that non-proliferation can be maintained perpetually.


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