More evidence that modern pop/rock sucks

This is why modern pop music sucks so bad: a song this execrable can nevertheless get a lot of press and become a hit. You can send me all the songs you want to tell me that music as good as that of the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Band, Motown, and so on still exist, but just aren’t as noticed, but I’ve yet to be convinced. Rock and pop are dead, expired: they sing with the choir invisible.

The song at issue today is Ariana Grande Latte’s “God is a Woman,” a song that, to use the parlance, just “dropped.”  It’s not the paean to feminism that you might expect, but rather a paean to women’s sexuality, which makes them gods. (Or rather, Grande Latte is so good at sex that she makes men believe she’s god.) As Rolling Stone noted,

The video for the tune features Grande sitting atop the world, manipulating clouds and space as she intertwines sexuality and spirituality themes. “God Is a Woman” closes out with Grande taking God’s place and Eve taking Adam’s in the Michelangelo fresco “The Creation of Adam.”

“You, you love it how I move you/ You love it how I touch you, my one,” she sings. “When all is said and done/ You will believe God is a woman.” The song also features a mid-song Pulp Fiction-inspired monologue delivered by Madonna.

The lyrics are in the second video, and oy, do they suck! 

What is wrong with this song? The tune is forgettable, the words are lame, and it’s heavily autotuned (see the two-part Forbes piece, “Ariana Grande can’t sing as well as you think she can” (part 1, part 2). Twenty years from now it will be forgotten, and you’ll never hear it played as an “oldie.”

I suppose the video, with its hypersexualized songstress, is marginally entertaining, but that’s about it.  The issue is, as Forbes notes, that Grande Latte really does have a good voice, so it doesn’t need to be autotuned, which just puts in the bin with every other singer who’s autotuning the hell out of their music, producing a vocally (and musically) homogeneous musical blancmange. And, of course, the song itself resembles what comes out of the south end of a bull facing north.

HuffPo, of course, since it suffers from a deficit of taste—as well as a worship of certain specified idols like Samantha Bee and Grande Latte—has gone over the top in extolling this tripe:

For a more informed series of opinions on why rock music is dead, musician Rick Beato and his colleagues have made three videos worth hearing, “What killed rock and roll?“, “Top 20 songs today vs. 1998: Better or worse?“, and “Is rock music dead?”  And check out my much-commented-on post, “In what world is THIS good music?“.



  1. GBJames
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    On the other hand, those rodents, half way through at 1:40, do offer appropriate commentary.

    • nicky
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

      Yesss! I loved those rodents. Their relevance is not exactly clear (I’m probably missing something), but I like them. And the girl is kinda sexy, very good looking.
      Although I guess I would not mind to spend an evening with the lady (I’m a widower, so I’m allowed) I somehow doubt it would make me believe in a God (or Goddess, for that matter).
      Personally, for good music I’ll rather have Bach, Handel, Scarlatti, Pergolesi, Charpentier, etc. But then I’m an inveterate lover of baroque music, the purity, the mathematical symmetry, etc etc.

  2. Randall Schenck
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Whatever it is…it sucks. Sounds like monotone mumbling to me. There is no range, no instruments, no voice.

  3. Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    But this is Pop rather than Rock (which I don’t think is dead).

    Ariana Grande is rather a long way from Trivium’s Ascendancy or Shogun.

    • Ken Phelps
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

      Kind of like Sinatra, Humperdinck, Petula Clark, etc. ran parallel to 60’s rock. Although the jazzy, and generally more musical, quality of much pop back then (even the production line Brilll Bldg variety) is leagues ahead of factory made pop today, IMNSHO.

  4. Ken Kukec
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    I dunno, boss, I agree with you, but fear we sound like our parent’s generation, which carped endlessly about early rock’n’roll, disparaging it as a bunch of talentless punks standing around growling incomprehensibly into microphones while tunelessly thrashing on drums and guitars — as opposed to the big bands of their time, with their wonderful musicianship and arrangements, fronted by vocalists like Sinatra and Billy Eckstine and Nat King Cole articulating clever, comprehensible lyrics.

    Maybe pop and rock aren’t “dead, expired,” but merely comatose, pining for their next glimpse of the glorious fjords. 🙂

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:52 am | Permalink

      And don’t you think, our parents were perfectly justified in saying the same thing. That does not make us wrong.

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:55 am | Permalink

        Doesn’t make us wrong, but it should make us a bit cautious and skeptical concerning our own tastes, I think.

        • Randall Schenck
          Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

          I suspect we can judge the music of our time just as our parents could judge their’s. We certainly had some bad but as always – in the ears of the beholder. I wonder what will be left when the kids today are our age. Fortunately we won’t have to hear it.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:52 am | Permalink

      … parents’ …

    • Mark Joseph
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

      “I’m aware of the problems,” she said. “‘You can’t tell the boys from the girls, they have no respect for their elders, their user interfaces are garish and unwieldy, everybody is writing a book, and their music is just noise.’ Found scratched on a potsherd in Sumer.” Ken MacLeod, Learning the World

      Which is not to say that I don’t agree with our esteemed host–I do. However, I think there is a reason why modern rock sucks–and I think it’s the same reason why modern classical music and opera suck, and, if anyone is still writing it, why modern big band would suck as well. Good (that is, in the sense of “original” as opposed to Dave Barry’s definition of a good song: “A good song is a song that I, personally, like”) music is inextricably associated with, and springs from, its cultural milieu. Absent that (the powdered aristocracy of 19th century opera devotees and classical musics patrons; the angsty counter-culture of the 1960s rockers, etc.) what you have is the form, without either the content or the feeling, which seems like an optimal recipe for suckiness. The Johnny-come-lately crowd is just cashing in; creativity is nowhere on their radar.

      I know very little about rap/hip hop, but I suspect the same analysis applies to its genesis (in the late 80s and 90s, if I’m not mistaken), vis-à-vis its current instantiations.

      All of which is not to say that there isn’t the occasional good or even excellent recent classical piece or rock song; just that it’s a one-off, as opposed to something that grows organically and lushly from its cultural context.

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

        Dave Barry once described the loudest sound ever as being what comes out of your radio when you start your car in the morning after forgetting that you parked it the night before while rocking along to Aretha belting out “Respect.” 🙂

    • Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

      I don’t care if we sound like our parents’ generation; we just happen to have spent our formative years when rock was at its greatest. SOME GENERATION has to have had the best rock if it’s gone downhill, and it happens to be mine.


      • Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

        Dittos from a 70-something. And get off my yard! And it’s not just rock from the 60’s and 70’s but folk and roots as well. I chuckle when I year the young ‘uns get hepped up about Darius Rucker singing Wagon Wheel, knowing that Dylan wrote the chorus in the 70’s and Ketch Secor of Old Crow Medicine Show later wrote the verses.

      • ladyatheist
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

        As long as your generation includes people who loved the Eagles, then I agree with you!

  5. W.T. Effingham
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    The parodies will be fun.

  6. Christine Janis
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    A good song/video for all those men who proclaim that they love women.

  7. Bryan Atinsky
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    I’m sorry, but for a skeptical/science blog, this is way below the standards for critical thought. Music, technology and population have expanded in in so many directions since than even the 90s. As someone who is 49, grew up on the classics and the Rock superstars, imho there are copious numbers of great new music out there. We don’t watch 3 channels anymore, listen to the few local radio stations, we have SoundCloud, pandora, Apple and Amazon, etc. to get any genre from any time at our fingertips… there is no way to have superstars like the “golden years.” But there is music being made (and has been made in the last 20) as great as the height or Rock. Do you need pointers?

    • Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

      No, but I think YOU need pointers—on how to have a civil discussion. Clearly you’re one of those entitled busybodies who feels entitled to go over and insult somebody they’ve never met. (By the way, “copious numbers of great new music” makes no grammatical sense.) And seriously, no way to have superstars today? You give no good reason for that. The reason is simply that music isn’t all that good now. Further, you contradict yourself by further saying that there is now music being made in the last 20 years as great as that made during the height of rock. Pray tell, who is as good as the Beatles? Where are the unrecognized Beatles? LOL.

      Anyway, please go away; I don’t need rude people like you over here. You could have made your points with civility but chose instead to be a jerk. (Since I don’t believe in free will, that means that external influences have formed your character into that of a jerk.)

  8. Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Pop music is most certainly dead (see this video for a nice summary of why: ), but pop and rock are two distinctly different genres. Rock music happened to be popular in the 60/70’s, but since sometime in the 80’s pop started to diverge significantly from rock. By the time we reach today, there is virtually no pop left that is also rock.

    Rock music is as alive and well as ever, it’s just not on the radio/TV.

  9. Charles Minus
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Rock dead? Thank god, I’ve been waiting 60 years for this. As for the current auto tune pop, seems suitably crap for the trump years.

    • Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

      Funny you should connect this to Trump. I was thinking the same thing. The appeal of this music and the appeal of Trump must be due to similar brain deficiencies.

      • nicky
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

        Which raises the question: What music does Mr Trump listen to?
        I must say that “Sweet Home Alabama” and “Take me Home, Country Roads,West Virginia” are really great songs, as far as melody goes, but I doubt Mr Trump listens to that, he’s from New York, after all.
        Maybe he should go to a Californian Hotel, good riddance. 🙂

        • GBJames
          Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

          He listens to the sound of his own voice. It is the best music ever. People don’t realize how great that music is. Everyone is talking about it though.

        • ladyatheist
          Posted July 14, 2018 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

          Pink Floyd: “Money”

          • infiniteimprobabilit
            Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

            If that was a satirical comment on the tRump’s financial proclivities, I agree.

            If it was an artistic comment on Pink Floyd’s track, with its highly distinctive and rather disconcerting lumbering 7/4 time (which changes dramatically to a pounding 4/4 half way through) – then I agree also.

            Not sure if the tRump would be able to appreciate the satire in the song, though, he probably takes it literally.


            • infiniteimprobabilit
              Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

              Oh bugger, didn’t mean to imbed, sorry.


  10. Ken Phelps
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Not rock, but a good piece for drowning your musical sorrows:

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:22 pm | Permalink


    • Ben Curtis
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

      Thanks for posting. Always on the lookout for new music.

  11. Mark Sturtevant
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    There are some top pop songs that I like well enough, but my favorite current popular music lies in the Indie rock and Alt rock scene. There is some good stuff out there, or at least I think so! You won’t hear them on the radio, but they can be found by streaming music from online sources. It is just like when I was a kid back in the glory days of rock. When I first hear one of these numbers, everything stops. I listen, and I note down the name so that I can buy it.
    A reaction like that must mean something.

  12. Ken Kukec
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    … what comes out of the south end of a bull facing north.

    A tail? Like Papa, I do so enjoy a well-prepared estofado de rabo de toro. 🙂

    Nice figurative use of “blancmange,” btw.

  13. Gustavo Mello
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    I also think that rock is not dead. I think it has been asleep for some time but still produces great bands like Winnery Dogs or Spiritual Beggars.

  14. Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Who can forgo a chance to vent all curmudgeonly on pop?

    3 observations. Why does she wobble in between singing from her larynx and then through her nose? Who turned up the vibrato on her voice? How can you sing the word “confess” and stress the first syllable? Do these lyricists ever think about the natural stress in the English language? Bad song-writers do this all the time.

    Still, I suppose her royalties can take the criticism.

    This production could have come out 25 years ago. I see little innovation.

    By contrast, Lennon and McCartney wrote “She loves you” in June 1963. Two and a half years later, in January 1966, they wrote “Tomorrow never knows”. That is a steep creative arc.

    • freiner
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

      Your last point is what has always astounded me about The Beatles (well, that along with the music), though my time segment went from “She Loves You” to “A Day in the Life” (which is to take nothing from “Tomorrow …” as a marker.)

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

        Rubber Soul and Revolver, released in ’65 and ’66 respectively, map the curve of that creative arc, I think.

        • Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

          Yes, Ken, imagine if at the age of 25 you had produced “Rain”, “Tomorrow never knows” and “Eleanor Rigby”, as well as “Revolver” in the last 6 months and you saw all your records immolated in a bonfire of the vanities: and had to answer daft questions about blasphemy and Jesus. I would have been livid.

      • Michael
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

        The drugs may have had something to do with it. Whatever the reason, the music was astounding.

  15. Roger
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    I like Greta Van Fleet for the old school sound. Knowing my luck, nobody else likes them though lol. I don’t think rock is dead.

    • Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:13 am | Permalink

      I checked out some Greta Van Fleet, the “Highway Tune” song rocked! I closed my eyes and it reminded me of old Zeppelin. I think the problem with modern pop \ rock is they’ve figured out exactly what appeals to the most people. Not the thinking people, the coolest people or the rebellious people, simply, the MOST people.

  16. Jair
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    You are sounding like an old man. The Beatles were okay but there has been so much music in the intervening years that is better. And in their own time, they were not as good as The Kinks anyway. (“Waterloo Sunset” will top anything penned by John, Paul, George or Ringo.)

    I will admit, in my efforts to find recent music to show you, I found myself mostly reaching for songs at least ten years old. Am I showing my age as well? But here are a few recent-ish songs that may convince you pop/rock is not dead…

    Regina Spektor – Call Them Brothers
    Sufjan Stevens – The Great God Bird
    Nathaniel Rateliff – S.O.B.
    Amanda Palmer – The Bed Song

    (Okay, I snuck one in from 2005.)

    Admittedly – the stuff you hear on the radio is crap. But to my ears, that’s been the case for at least the past 30 years or so.

    • Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

      Everything you say is acceptable and worthy of debate, but really, “I am sounding like an old man?” That’s just RUDE.

      Did you watch the three videos at the end? They make a far better argument than I did.

      • Randall Schenck
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

        Why is it that one person’s ear, apparently the guy above, gets to hold court and opinion over all of us. And on someone else’s web site. When he gets one I will be sure and visit to find out what music really is.

        • Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

          I stopped reading him when he claimed the Kinks were better than the Beatles.

      • Jair
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

        Sorry about that, Professor Coyne. It was meant to be a gentle ribbing – I did not intend it seriously. I apologize. I do enjoy your blog and look forward every day to the cat and duck updates 🙂

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

      I’m a huge Ray Davies fan, but it’s a bit over the top to claim the Beatles weren’t as good as the Kinks. As Ray has said, a lot of his early writing owed a debt to the Beatles. (Playing on the same bill in the early days, Lennon once teased Ray that, if the Beatles ever lost their set-list, they could just borrow his.)

      Speaking of Ray and the Beatles, I love this video of Stevie Riks doing a spot-on impression of what both ends of Ray Davies/Maca duet might be like. 🙂

  17. LJM
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Do not despair!

    I’m 52, a fan of most the classic pop/rock, and I think this is the greatest time for music in history. It just requires a little more work on our part to ignore things like the above. We have greater access to beautiful, inventive new (and old) music than ever before. The Top 10 no longer matters.

    Here is a very short list (off the top of my head, even!) of artists currently creating beautiful, inventive pop and rock (and country, which is also too frequently terrible). And the miracle is, despite the horrors emanating from the likes of Ariana Grande, you can be listening to any of these artists within 30 seconds of reading their names.

    Janelle Monae
    Arctic Monkeys
    My Morning Jacket
    Little Dragon
    Childish Gambino
    Neko Case
    Anderson Paak
    Robbie Fulks
    Jason Isbell
    Jack White
    Lana Del Rey
    Caravan Palace
    The War on Drugs
    Hurray for the Riff Raff
    Patty Griffin
    Milk Carton Kids
    Real Estate
    The Shins
    St. Vincent
    Jenn Wasner
    The Amazing

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

      I’m sorry but 52 is apparently much younger than 68. Do you have any Eric Clapton?

      • nicky
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

        Simpiwe Dana? Tandiswa Mazwai? Hugh Masakela? (or even Zamajobe or Brenda Fassie, the latter being pop, but still ragingly popular, years after her death).
        There are quite a few great South African artists not well known in the ‘West’.

        • Ken Kukec
          Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

          You have a link or two, nicky? I love what I’ve heard of SA artists.

          • darrelle
            Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

            For something different watch a few of the most viewed music videos by Die Antwoord. For example . . .

            Ugly Boy
            Baby’s On Fire
            Fatty Boom Boom

            Warnings & Disclaimers

  18. Harrison
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Personally I think the entirety of music stopped being any good at all after 1750.

    • Charles Minus
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

      Agree, except for Moondog.

  19. Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Are you kidding? The Screaming Prairie Dogs at 1:42 is an instant classic for me!
    Makes the whole video worthwhile.

    • Heather Hastie
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

      I thought that was the best bit of this dreadful song too.

      And how do these lyrics make sense? God is a woman because she is/women are good at sex? I think she’s got that backwards. If there’s a god, it’s proof He’s a man. Also, if God was a woman, She would have arranged things so men were the ones giving birth.

      • Randall Schenck
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

        And the laundry and cleaning. He would get this too.

        • Heather Hastie
          Posted July 16, 2018 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

          Good point!

  20. Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    This sounds like something generated by an AI that hasn’t fully developed its understanding of music.

    I decided music was dead the day I heard Bobby Valentino’s “Slow Down.” If you need a good vomit, take a gander at these lyrics:

    [Verse 1]
    I saw you walking
    Down on Melrose
    You looked like an angel
    Straight out of heaven, girl
    I was blown away by
    Your sexiness
    All I have to do is catch up to you

    Slow down I just wanna get to know you
    But don’t turn around
    ‘Cause that pretty round thing looks good to me
    Slow down never seen anything so lovely
    Now turn around
    And bless me with your beauty, cutie

    [Verse 2]
    A butterfly tattoo
    Right above your navel
    Your belly button’s pierced too just like I like it girl
    Come take a walk with me
    You’ll be impressed by
    The game that I kick to you
    Thorough and real

    The line ” ‘Cause that pretty round thing looks good to me” cracks me up every time.

    • Filippo
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:15 am | Permalink

      Ah, but what is that song compared to that most rarefied and mellifluous of songs, “Get Paid,” by Young Dolph? 😉

      • Posted July 15, 2018 at 8:30 am | Permalink

        I’ll have to check that one out. Sounds like it will deepen my scatological expertise.

    • Heather Hastie
      Posted July 16, 2018 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

      How does he know she’s got a butterfly tattoo above her navel if he’s following her from behind?

      He sounds like a creepy stalker to me!

      • Posted July 16, 2018 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

        Creepy guy, or just bad writing. (Or both.) Did you check out “Get Paid” — the song recommended by Filippo above? It’s even worse. I bow to his superior knowledge of inferior music.

  21. Gabrielle
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    I’m 59 years old and I listen to the local I-Heart radio pop and rock stations when I’m in the car, probably about 6 hours a week. I’d say I enjoy about 20-30% of what I hear on both stations. And I enjoy the music more than what was on radio back in the 1970s when I was in high school, back when bubblegum pop and disco reigned, along with a lot of commercial rock (Kansas anyone?). Actually, I believe the lyrics in today’s pop songs (much of which are also include rap) are more sophisticated than the average disco/pop/commercial rock song from the 70s. That includes the Arianna Grande song above (yes, I said this). Sure, I could live with less auto-tuning and over-production, but so be it. On the other hand, I totally enjoy that I can watch/listen to whatever I want whenever I want on YouTube, instead of waiting for hours for a favorite song to show up on the radio.
    Occasionally I listen to the local oldies pop/rock radio station, which mainly plays music from the 1970s. It’s still the same crap that I listened to back in high school. I’d say I enjoy maybe 10% of what they play, and that’s being generous.
    Music today is as much watched as it is listened to. Music videos have changed the music industry, and YouTube, streaming services and song downloads have changed the way people consume music. It’s never going to be like olden times when radio stations and record companies controlled access to commercial music, and when both were the sole arbiters of what people got to hear and buy. A great book that discusses these changes was written several years ago by David Byrne (late of the Talking Heads) entitled “How Music Works”.
    On the other hand – every time I go into my local Barnes and Noble bookstore, there are more and more vinyl LPs for sale. I would never have thought these would show up again. Even some current pop/rock artists are releasing their albums on vinyl.

  22. Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Oh, there’s still good music here and there. You just have to dig a little.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

      Thanks but I’ll keep digging.

  23. Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    The Arianna Grande song is bad in much the same way that many pop songs were bad in the 60s and 70s. They are simple fodder for the unsophisticated masses. I know that sounds snobbish but so be it.

    The difference between now and then is that some good bands and performers had a path to the top. Now it is a lot harder. The old delivery mechanism has disappeared and all we have now is a relatively flat and huge landscape that takes a lot of work to navigate. For example, I can search for songs on YouTube from the old days and perhaps it will suggest things I might like based on those choices. However, the algorithms suck. AI is nowhere near at the level where it could detect some sort of common thread across songs I like in a useful way.

  24. Gabrielle
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    And to add to the above, I like this new Arianna Grande song/video too.

  25. Posted July 14, 2018 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Thirty seconds in I tuned off the sound and watched the rest on mute, skipping ahead a couple of times. She is good looking. But what is that sound? I will go find an old sixties folk song album to listen you. I mostly listen to music from the sixties and earlier.
    Back in the sixties the Beatles got a lot of criticism from rick music lovers. A disk jockey I knew who was one of the back up singers with Elvis answered the criticism by saying “What they do, they do well. “ Good defense for them and their music. This was after “Yellow Submatine” came out. People were wondering if the song was a joke or what.

    It is not rude to be told you sound like an old man. From an old guy to a younger guy.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 12:21 am | Permalink

      My reaction to that video was the same. Nice video, shame about the song.

      Re the Beatles, their songs – certainly their earlier ones – always seemed overly simple to me. They harmonised well, but there wasn’t much to them.

      Then they went psychedelic and got a lot more complex and subtle in their arrangements – Strawberry Fields for example.


      • Posted July 15, 2018 at 12:43 am | Permalink

        That was the criticism that I was referring to in the early sixties. That the songs were too simple. LLAnd it did change as they responded to other music groups such as The Beach Boys.

  26. Posted July 14, 2018 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    I certainly agree that Ariana will be forgotten within 10 years of her final hit being released. There is nothing memorable or catchy to her songs. She’s be another Debbie Gibson or Martika.

    Another good youtube video is

    Shirley Manson of Garbage also makes some good points

    • Posted July 14, 2018 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

      I forgot to mention, I’ve brought up my kids, aged 10, 10 and 12, on a variety of pop music from the 60’s to the present. I find it amusing that they agree that a lot of modern music sucks. They also notice when a song appears to be a ripoff of an earlier song (eg. Ice Age by Serena Ryder vs Dog Days are Over by Florence and the Machine).

  27. Posted July 14, 2018 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Reblogged this on The Logical Place.

  28. freiner
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    I really have to thank you for this. I just came in from a half-hour or so drive while listening the to Verve compilation of Antonio Carlos Jobim. After having to endure those damn simplistic melodies, boring rhythms and the questionable musicianship of people like Stan Getz, Joao Gilberto and Elis Regina I got to cleanse my ears with this. Just no accounting for some people’s tastes.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

      If there’s anybody isn’t thoroughly charmed by this duet between Elis Regina & Tom Jobim of the latter’s “Waters of March,” I’ll kiss their ass.

      I can never get enough of Getz & Gilberto.

      • Posted July 14, 2018 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

        Good music. I missed a chance at a new experience.

        • Ken Kukec
          Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

          You & me both; glad I didn’t have to pucker up.

          • Diane G
            Posted July 15, 2018 at 3:12 am | Permalink

            😀 !!

    • nicky
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

      And what about Vinicius?

      • freiner
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

        Oh yes, those thoroughly ungraceful-sounding lyrics (good thing I don’t understand Portuguese) — nothing at all like those we were presented with above.

  29. KD33
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    I generally agree with the sentiment, and I being of roughly the same generation, agree that the best rock was ours. Several other posters say similar things, and no doubt a great number of us agree on the concept. *But* – we don’t agree on what the greatest rock was of our era. Certainly there will be overlap in tastes, but what I’d post as the best music of say late 60’s to 1990 (?) would be vastly different than what has been posted on this site (with certainly, again, some commonality). That is, I have my own lawn, thank you! Given that, I think anyone would be dead wrong saying there’s no good music today (acknowledging that the working hypthosis is that *rock* is no what it used to be). There certainly is good music being made, but hard to find if you go by only what’s popular. And that has always been true.

  30. Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    My (almost) firm rule: never listen to anything less than 20 years old. There is, I contend, always crap coming out, but 20 years gives time for the dross to settle and the cream to rise.

  31. nicky
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Who will still be listening to the Beatles, The Band Bob Marley or the Motown artists when all the babyboomers are dead? Who is still listening to Django Reinhart?
    Well, there maybe some pieces that will still be listened to, say ‘Pali Gap’ by Jimi Hendrickx or so. ‘Eleonor Rigby’? ‘Pata pata’, and ‘Where the lion sleeps tonight’ are certainly candidates for future generations to still be listened to. “Got five on it” or “Sister Betthina” probably less so, although they can spook in your head.
    ‘Predicting is difficult, especially the future’ (ascribed to at least a dozen). However, and of course I maybe mistaken, I’m indeed quite confident this song will be lost in the dust of time.
    Note there was a pop song ‘Venus’ by an obscure Dutch group (from the city of Arnhem nogal!) that has recently been resurrected, I guess we’ll never know. And whatabout ABBA??

    • Mark R.
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

      Gen Xers like me will still be listening to all the bands you mentioned…including Reinhardt and Grappelli. Even Raymond Scott got some popularity in the 90’s. I don’t know what Millennials listen to though when it comes to the ‘classics’.

  32. Mark R.
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    I think a lot of great musicians have moved away from rock and pop and embraced the ‘jam band’ arena, mixing rock, funk, jazz and sometimes Hip-Hop (not really related to jam bands like The Grateful Dead, The Allman Brothers or Phish other than improvisational playing). The majority of these bands don’t have vocals, so being a talented musician is a must.

    Personally, I enjoy:

    The Greyboy Allstars
    Soundtribe Sector Nine
    Robert Walter
    Karl Denson

    When it comes to really good contemporary rock, I will always refer you to Steven Wilson. Maybe start with Hand.Cannot.Erase.

  33. Ben Curtis
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Ears are different. After actually listening to the clips (had to go to YouTube)”God is a woman” sounds like a hit to me – much better that what I usually hear for modern Pop/Rock. For context, I thought it much better then about 80% of the bands I hear on SNL (they signal bathroom break or let the dogs out time) but I think I would stay put for Ariana Grande. And I was born before 1950. But I’ve never been much of a follower of Rock/Pop.

    Thanks for the post – I wouldn’t have heard her otherwise.

  34. Bruce Gorton
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Grande isn’t rock, if anything other than straight pop she’s R&B.

  35. barn owl
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Pop and rock music is produced, released, and consumed differently from when I was a teenager, and I think that’s part of what makes it less enjoyable and interesting to me. Since I’m a prog rock gal at heart, I listened (and still do) to a lot of concept albums. The lyrics, content, and order of the songs were crafted deliberately, and had meaning. One could spend happy hours listening to the albums, reading the liner notes, and looking at the album cover artwork. Sure, there are still bands who release concept albums (the Decemberists are a notable example that I recommend highly), but that’s not how most people consume pop and rock music nowadays. Everyone can pick and choose just the songs they love, and play them in any order, or over and over again.

  36. Taz
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t want to, but I had to read the second HuffPo article to find out exactly how this song and/or video is “breaking the glass ceiling”.

    If anyone else is curious, don’t bother looking – it’s never mentioned. Frankly, I’m not sure the writer even knows what the phrase means.

    • Posted July 14, 2018 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

      Did she shatter it by singing so many high notes?

    • Posted July 15, 2018 at 10:11 am | Permalink

      At 2.22 in, singer literally breaks the glass ceiling with with a Thor-type hammer. This may be as deep as it gets.

  37. Michael Fisher
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Rock is alive & well. Jazz is alive & well. To be a success outside the corporate monster takes some doing, but the tools are there for those who believe in musical authenticity. This thread needs some Polly from Dorset rockin’ out to clear away the gloom! Here’s PJ doing her volume 11 thing:-

    • Craw
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

      And Bach has never been better. The last few decades have seen a revolution in the performance of Baroque and Classical era music. More, better, cheaper Bach than ever before!

      • Michael Fisher
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

        Good point!

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

      I dig PJH. In the best tradition of great women rockers like Chrissie Hynde and Joan Jett.

      • Michael Fisher
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 8:42 am | Permalink

        Polly turns out an album a year – each distinctly different from the last. Quite a bit of dry humour in the lyrics. Her last one was her first political/environmental effort & for fans like me. Her first album is very a very noisy effort done from home under primitive conditions – it’s very angular punk – a series of short observations about men & sex & life. Brilliant. A classic.

  38. Posted July 14, 2018 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    The Beatles and the hordes of fans of the day changed not only music but the way we feel and think about the world.
    It was a major spike in a dreary, stodgy post war society itching to find some form of expression and make themselves known.
    ENOUGH of the “ruling classes” broadly speaking, that wanted to keep the status quo and their place at the top of the heap. What, and where did that get us?
    The war years dragged down, the Beatles dragged up, like the dingys in a bay on an incoming tide.
    That is why if you ask me, pop rock music today cannot rise above but only pad out and expand (for better or for worse) what we know came from this genre & offshoots and, it was something we went through, lived it, prising open many conservative values for scrutiny, it will not come again via music.
    Don’t get me wrong there are some great writers/ musicians out there with some great tunes equal to any, it is just that, the rising tide no longer matters just the high tide water mark… we was spoilt.
    But here is a way to use an old tune. Sang by the protesters of Trumps visit to the UK.
    Sang to Bruce Channel’s – Hey Baby
    Heeeeeeeey hey trump,
    I wanna know oh, why your such a cunt!
    repeat all night long.
    Does he deserve this, well that is for you to decide but it sounded like fun.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

      Now you’ve got me walking around singing the Trump version of “Hey Baby” along with the earworm in my head. (I’ve found I can bring myself to utter the c-word only by effecting a Brit accent. 🙂 It’s verboten on this side of the pond.)

      • Posted July 14, 2018 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

        Frankly, I think it should be verboten this side of the pond too, Ken. Its overuse is becoming tiresome and the short-cut way to seem edgy. Of course it is easy to satirize Trump with juvenile orangeisms and crudities, but their repetition does not bear repeating. Jokes do not survive the law of diminishing returns. Then again, maybe “cunt” is becoming normalized.

        On this point, I think I see the emergence of a change in English language. The phrase, “to coin a phrase” is changing meaning. Example: “In UK politics Brexit has seen a sea-change, to coin a phrase.” Here, it obviously means, “to use a cliche or axiom”. It is being used in a sense of the opposite to what it really means. I have seen that usage 2 or 3 times in the last week. Pedant, blah, curmudgeon, blah, “sanction”, blah, young people of today, blah…

        • Jenny Haniver
          Posted July 14, 2018 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

          Doesn’t that ‘beg the question,’ to coin a phrase.

          • Diane G
            Posted July 15, 2018 at 3:19 am | Permalink


        • Posted July 15, 2018 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

          Well, the “c” word does have a way of cutting through, it does not leave room for any further interpretation. Perhaps those who don’t like abrupt endings find it disconcerting.
          I find it has more persuasion when a woman says it. It makes me laugh though it’s so unexpected but also makes me think, they must really mean it.
          In the protesters’ case, it is part of the lampooning of Trump and the humorous element i think, buffs the hard edge, funny how that works.

        • Posted July 15, 2018 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

          Well, the “c” word does have a way of cutting through, it does not leave room for any further interpretation. Perhaps those who don’t like abrupt endings find it disconcerting.
          I find it has more persuasion when a woman says it. It makes me laugh though it’s so unexpected but also makes me think, they must really mean it.
          In the protesters’ case, it is part of the lampooning of Trump and the humorous element i think, buffs the hard edge, funny how that works.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

      I can only see one thing wrong with it – ‘Trump’ and ‘cunt’ don’t rhyme.

      However, he did at least manage not to grope the Queen or pat her on the rump, so I guess he’s on his best behaviour. 😉


  39. Posted July 14, 2018 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    You can send me all the songs you want to tell me that music as good as that of the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Band, Motown, and so on still exist, but just aren’t as noticed, but I’ve yet to be convinced. Rock and pop are dead, expired: they sing with the choir invisible.

    Yes, it exists. However, you cannot invent classic songs twice. Something is different. Also, it’s a known condition that your tastes in music closes down in your twenties (something to do with the openess trait, when I recall correctly). It’s a thing that people tend to stick to musical styles they liked in their twenties.

    I’m subscribed to Beato for a long time. He features a couple of “modern classics”, too. Ariana Grande just isn’t it. A reason why bland music seems to dominate the charts today might be a feature of charts.

    Alternative Explanation 1: When everyone has refined (actually good) playlists, except for the musically challenged, who stick to corporate garbage, then you can have the effect that the lowest common denominator (with big marketing money, and lots of eyes from the attention economy) seems to be the most popular music.

    Alternative Explanation 2: in the olden days, people with taste bought records. Now that every musically challenged can play something and that gets counted, the charts will be skewed towards musical illiteracy, e.g. simple dance/soul tracks with the standard I–V–vi–IV (“Let it be” or “beast of burden” etc).

    Btw, modern day Beatles would be “Lemon Twigs” and for the Stones, check “The Brian Jonestown Massacre” 🙂

    • barn owl
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

      Those Beato “What Makes This Song Great?” videos are awesome – I’m glad I know about them now.

  40. John Black
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    The irony here is that Ariana Grande is an incredible vocalist. Check out her impressions with Jimmy Fallon to see how versatile she is. The autotune stuff is a travesty. Sort of like having da Vinci paint on an etch-a-sketch.

  41. Peter (Oz) Jones
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    May I add to your list of bands to consider from the hemisphere (ie Oz/NZ) opposite Chicago?

    1) Powderfinger – singer Neil Finn recently joined Fleetwood Mac
    Their “Up & Down & Back Again” is a fave.

    2) Crowded House
    I like their “Nobody Wants To”

    They did a fantastic farewell concert outside the Sydney Opera House on the 27 Nov 2016.

    I second Nathaniel Rateliff & The Night Sweats – “You Worry Me” – applies to me!

    And from the UK, Editors “Hallelujah” is scary.

    As an aside, it is great to read Ben Goren again, such good value.

    In the 1960’s I was in skule (as they pronounce it there) in Liverpool but sadly my parents did not place me in Quarry Bank High School.

    Then I went to University there, visited the Cavern, breathed in accidentally who knows what essential fumes, and only when seeing the BBC doco on Cilla found out who that lass taking my wet jacket & brolly was.

    And the Sat ev’gs at the Uni Student Guild was host to the Beatles, the Who (why did they bust up perfectly good guitars?), Long John Baldry and others that fade away in my neural cloud . . .

    • Michael Fisher
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

      I know Liverpool Guild of Students has hosted The Who at Mountford Hall in 1971 – £1 ticket! I’ve seen many a gig there in the 70s & 80s, but are you sure the Beatles turned up for the Guild? They played L/Pool Empire in ’63, but I didn’t know they made it up the hill to the Hall.

      P.S. Liverpool Hope University [not the real University of Liverpool – it was a teacher training college until 2005] now offers a shite MA in “The Beatles, Popular Music and Society”

      • Peter (Oz) Jones
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 4:32 am | Permalink

        Hi Michael
        I was in Liverpool from 1956, knew of the Quarrymen as my school played their school at soccer. They changed their name in 1960 to the Beatles. Then I was a student at Liverpool Uni from 1963.

        I used to help backstage on a Saturday at the Student Guild, if they had a concert on.
        I seem to recall watching The Who smash their guitar(s) at the end of a performance, and can vaguely recall a £400 payment to the Beatles for an ev’g performance.

        But who knows if that is just worng, as it could be influenced by many bottles of Newcastle Brown or a pint or two of “Heavy”???

        • Michael Fisher
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 8:08 am | Permalink

          The Beatles definitely never gigged at the University of Liverpool – your Beatles gig might have been before you started university. If it was after starting university you maybe saw them at Leicester Guild or some such [I recall a lot of students went all over the place to catch gigs at universities – hitch hiking was the thing & the card let you in everywhere]

          If you saw ’em in Liverpool after starting university it was at one of these two venues:

          [1] Liverpool Odeon Cinema
          [2] Liverpool Empire Theatre
          [07/12/63/*, 22/12/63, 8/11/64, 05/12/65].

          * Two gigs on same day. On Saturday December 7th 1963, the Beatles gave an afternoon concert at the Empire Theatre in Liverpool which was filmed for BBC-TV. Following the concert, the Beatles rushed to the Odeon Cinema in Liverpool for a special taping of the BBC-TV programme Juke Box Jury.

          • Peter (Oz) Jones
            Posted July 15, 2018 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

            Well Michael
            I will have to use these defences:

            1) Were you there?

            2) Observational vs Historical science

            [Culled from Sensuous Curmudgeon’s: “Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo) — the ayatollah of Appalachia, the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else.”]

            Actually I do recall another occasion with the Manfreds (I was so envious of Paul Jones!) at a large dance hall with a balcony and one of those large reflecting balls in the middle, perhaps in the Wirral?

            As to that £400, at the time it would have bought a nice Ford Anglia, was in the archetypical brown bag, small used notes. Maybe they wanted to avoid sharing with the tax man so no records . . .

            All the best!

            • Michael Fisher
              Posted July 15, 2018 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

              LOL nice try, but you do write some bollocks. I enjoyed your comment.

              The £400 in a paper bag ‘memory ‘ perhaps related to a different gig with a different band e.g. The Who at Liverpool University’s Valentine’s Panto Dance Ball of 1966 [their first L/pool uni gig]. I looked up some ticket memorabilia sites & the Beatles & The Who tickets were around the same price range up until the Fab Four hit the States. Price range from 6/- to 17/6 – either band could generate £400 at the door in their sleep. I don’t know Mountford Hall capacity then, but it’s 2,300 today after the refurb & it was known as the 2nd biggest venue back then.

              The Beatles diverting £400 & thus not appearing in the records? You have to be kidding me – the Epstein organisation was a tight ship that even respected their cheap pre-fame gig prices after they got famous. Every single one of their almost 300 lifetime gigs are known – venue & date. All of them.

              If the Beatles played at Liverpool University Mountford Hall on or after October 1963 [your first term started then] I will wire you £400. There are many sites that share memories of Beatles gigs & there’s not one recollection of a university gig from an attendee. If anyone else can dig up the gig before you do & posts here I’LL PAY THEM £200 & £200 TO YOU.

              Manfred Mann [the “Manfreds”]:- Paul Jones has had a weekly Blues show on BBC Radio 2 for thirty years – I used to listen, but he’s irritatingly nice so I gave up on him. I heard his show will be axed this year. MM don’t have decent gig records, but I know Jones sang for them until July ’66. There were many, many ‘glitterball’ ballrooms on the Wirral back then from the Big Band era [Wirral has money & had money back then], but most of them too small to have a balcony…

              I am guessing you might mean The Majestic Ballroom, Birkenhead which I remember because Cilla Black [your hat check girl] had her live Epstein audition there in ’64 in the intermission of a Beatles gig. I know they have a balcony because Rory Storm [of the Hurricanes] fell 30′ off it early in the same year while trying to jump to the stage.

              The other good possibility is the Tower Ballroom, New Brighton which is a baroque wedding cake turned inside out. Plenty of little balconies.

              Here’s Manfred Mann at The Cavern from French TV with Jones vocals. The two reverse shots of an audience are not from the Cavern – I suppose it’s the French TV studio audience reaction shots:

              • Posted July 15, 2018 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

                Chuffin’ Ada, Michael. How do you know all this? And why???

              • Michael Fisher
                Posted July 15, 2018 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

                I loved going to live gigs all over the country & I know both sides of the Mersey really well. Lived in the bohemian Lark Lane, Liverpool for the first half of the 80s & hung out with the Scouser element of all ages who were into music – learned about the music scene going back to George Melly at the Cavern, before the Beatles when it was a jazz hotspot.

                Even in the 80s people in Liverpool would talk my ears off about the Mersey beat era & the pub jukeboxes had all the obscure 60s singles [& Irish songs I noticed].

                I breathed it all in.

            • Michael Fisher
              Posted July 15, 2018 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

              All of The Who’s Liverpool gigs before Moon fell off his perch:

              31/10/65 Cavern Club
              06/02/66 Liverpool Empire Theatre [2 shows]
              14/02/66 Liverpool University, Valentine’s Panto Dance Ball
              01/11/67 Liverpool Empire Theatre [2 shows]
              04/05/68 Liverpool University
              20/11/68 Liverpool Empire Theatre [2 shows]
              22/02/69 Liverpool University
              12/12/69 Liverpool Empire Theatre
              25/10/70 Liverpool Empire Theatre
              14/05/71 Liverpool University
              23/10/71 Liverpool University

  42. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    Don’t like the nasal style of delivery, at all. Or the rather dreary tune with the predictable inevitable hip-hop(?) beat on the backing track. Modern music sucks, IMO.

    I’m perfectly happy with the idea that G*d might be a woman (might as well be a woman as a man).

    OTOH I’m perfectly happy with women being as sexy as they want to be. The sexier the better. Not sure that would meet with the Feminist Seal of Approval though, kinda weird that PuffHo approves.


    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

      Hmm. Just tried watching it again. Didn’t mind the softcore porn at all (though howcome PuffHo can possibly approve is a mystery to me), couldn’t stand the weird tone of voice, killed it after 35 seconds.


  43. Posted July 15, 2018 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    It’s just a song, no more, no less :O)

  44. Matt Jenkins
    Posted July 15, 2018 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    We tend to have Spotify playing on someone’s phone in the operating theatre, and there’s plenty of good, original stuff coming out from bands I never hear on the radio. Not up there with the Beatles, but good nevertheless.

    Aside: one of our surgeons once found himself in Paris and visited the Pere Lachaise with his fiancée, so that he could visit Jim Morrison’s grave. As he stood there reflecting on life death and everything, his wife interrupted his reveries. ‘Jim Morrison,’ she said. ‘Didn’t he invent the Muppets?’

    • Diane G
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 3:22 am | Permalink

      ha ha ha!

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 9:59 am | Permalink

      Would like to hear Miss Piggy cover “Love Me Two Times” in a duet with Kermit.

  45. Mike
    Posted July 15, 2018 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    I have one rule of thumb, if you can’t sing it with just Piano Accompaniment, it’s

  46. Posted July 15, 2018 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    As an oldster who started listening to “Pop”
    music in the 40s when it was still Big Band Sounds, singers who could carry a tune and some relatively funny novelty songs, I’ve listened ever since. Loved something(s) from almost all the eras. I was never a professional but have sung solos and in choral groups all my life until thyroid surgery took my voice. Only recently was I introduced to electronic music by my grandson. DJ Walker aka Alan Walker is one such. I include reference to him here for your consideration. There are a number of others I haven’t yet become familiar with.

    Walker has also remixed some of his electronic pieces with standard orchestration for those who don’t care for electronics.

    • Posted July 15, 2018 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

      Sorry. I didn’t really mean to include the video. Please forgive.

  47. Posted July 15, 2018 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Shawn Mendes ‘Never Be Alone’ is not bad at all. Also, music from ‘The Vamps’ a group from London is pretty good. Listen ‘Shout About It’ from The Vamps. Or the new hit song ‘Perfect’ from Ed Sheeran. I thought nothing compared to Bon Jovi and Def Leppard or Backstreet Boys and New Kids On The Block. It just depends on who’s writing the song.

  48. Posted July 16, 2018 at 4:20 am | Permalink

    Rock music isn’t dead, at least not in the UK, it just doesn’t get into the charts anymore.

    I go to several music festivals every year and I can testify that there are really good bands out there. They just do not get the global exposure that (for example) Ariane Grande gets.

  49. Posted July 16, 2018 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    I wonder how one could control for “survivorship bias” on this. I do agree that there is a lot more crap, but there’s a lot more of *everything*, so …

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