A lower bar for Christians?

Today’s Doonesbury, sent by reader Taskin, shows clearly how much American churches have had to bend on dogma and faith to retain their flocks.  Or is this simply a way to show that Trump is still an exponent of “Christian values”?

 

27 Comments

  1. Posted April 22, 2018 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure it’s a poke at how evangelicals have embraced Trumpism.

    • Toni Jordon
      Posted April 22, 2018 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

      And an excellent one at that!

  2. Posted April 22, 2018 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Fundamentalist evangelicals see Trump as an ally in the cultural wars, with primacy given to his unprincipled but politically expedient stand against abortion. Everything else is chaff.

    • Posted April 23, 2018 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

      This. Though – small ray of sunshine here – a bunch of evangelicals stayed home rather than vote Roy Moore for Senator from Alabama. So, at least child abuse is still beyond the pale. Hooray?

      • Posted April 23, 2018 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

        Good call, but it may have been because he tried to pass himself off as a cowboy, riding into town to vote and demonstrating himself not much of a horseman 🙂

  3. Randall Schenck
    Posted April 22, 2018 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    I bring this up to one of my religious relatives from time to time and get the same old excuses or righteous babel.

  4. Ken Kukec
    Posted April 22, 2018 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    With last week’s decision in Sessions v. DiMaya, Trump’s lone SCOTUS appointee showed he can’t even be counted on as a reliable vote for xenophobia. The evangelicals sure sold their souls to the Trump cult-of-personality on the cheap.

  5. Posted April 22, 2018 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    One of my favorite ones from Doonesbury in recent times. “I feel like a freakin’ saint now!

  6. Posted April 22, 2018 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    This is 100% about Trump and his support among Evangelicals.

  7. Craw
    Posted April 22, 2018 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s a Trump shot, and a very funny one.

  8. Posted April 22, 2018 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    …. when a sad faith addled woman was asked how do you reconcile that behaviour by the Truent she replied, “he will have to answer to god” .
    🤤

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted April 22, 2018 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

      During the campaign, Trump said he’d never asked God for forgiveness — which I took to mean Trump and God had worked out a Molotov-Ribbentrop-style mutual non-aggression pact, just like Hitler and Stalin. 🙂

      • Posted April 23, 2018 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

        So will this end with Trump attacking God and losing the war due to Russian winters? 😉

  9. Posted April 22, 2018 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    They claim you should hate the sins but love the sinner. And they really love this sinner.

  10. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted April 22, 2018 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    ‘an exponent of “Christian values” ‘

    Any time I see that phrase I think “What, like for instance Vlad Dracula?”

    Would that be a low enough bar? 😉

    cr

    • Posted April 23, 2018 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

      A Romanian-born colleague told me that in her experience that guy was remembered as a hero, because he drove out the “scum” (prostitutes, beggars, etc.).

  11. GBJames
    Posted April 22, 2018 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    If only they had a modicum of self-awareness.

  12. I.B. P.
    Posted April 22, 2018 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    It’s spelled DOONESbury, not DOONEbury.

  13. Linda Calhoun
    Posted April 23, 2018 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    Rather than having the category “Christians Behaving Badly”, maybe you should start one called “Christians Behaving Honestly”.

    they haven’t changed. They’re just finally being straight about it.

    L

  14. Posted April 23, 2018 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    I’ve spoken to a number of these people and its fascinating. They are well aware that Trump is one of the most sinful and ungodly people on the planet and they dont care–because as far as they are concernced he is akin to an old testament prophet, and special rules apply to them.
    They think he is leading them to a promised land and that god uses sinful people (like Solomon–an example that was shared with me many times) to enable this.
    Many of them directed me to this video

    (Or similar ones)
    Now–think through the implicaitons of this for a minute. That means that they support, not especially Trump himself–but what they imagine will come after.
    And what they imagine will come after will be Mike pence (or something similar). And Pence–unlike Trump–has principles. Hideous, ghastly, potentially world-ending principles (he believes that the rapture will come after war in the middle east for instance) but he has them.
    Sleep well…

    • Posted April 24, 2018 at 7:28 am | Permalink

      “They think he is leading them to a promised land and that god uses sinful people…”

      Religion really does close all the escape hatches by eliminating dis-confirming evidence. Much like a body dealing with a pathogen.

    • Posted April 28, 2018 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

      Quite a number of old testament prophets and monarchs were not very godly. I guess god uses whatever material is available. However, one would think better representatives could have been enlisted.

      In our own lifetimes, there have been numerous so-called christian ministers and leaders who did not live the lives they preached to their congregations. Money, power and sexual aberrations from church doctrine.
      For example: remember Jimmy Swaggert who is, apparently, still a minister despite his falls from grace.

  15. Posted April 23, 2018 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Fox News Christians…that’s the term I have for Christians who love Trump.

    I take this term from a experiences with the parents of a very good friend of mine. I met my friend in high school, at around the time I was beginning to question my own religious faith. I spent a lot of time over at my friend’s house (his parents often let me stay over for dinner), and one evening they really started probing me on my religious beliefs. I stated that I was beginning to have doubts, citing in particular the lack of a good answer to the existence of evil in the world and the existence of so many contradictory faiths (it’s amazing how these are still some of my chief reasons for not believing). They became very concerned about the status of my soul and where I would spend eternity, and also where I would get my morals from. In particular, they were concerned about what would prevent me from engaging in sex, drugs, and “selfish” behavior.

    Morals. Fast forward a few decades, and the parents of my friend are huge (yuge) Trump supporters! Apparently, his lifetime of engaging in selfish behavior barely registers as an issue. And about the only thing that they like better than Trump is Fox News. So much so that, according to my friend, they viciously berated a hotel employee on a recent vacation because the hotel did not broadcast it. Of course, they were amply rewarded for this behavior by getting comped for the full amount!

    So Fox News Christians they are. People for which morality and checks on behavior are really the optional parts of their Christian faith. The only important things are believing that you will get a ticket to heaven, and feeling superior to those who do not believe.

  16. Posted April 23, 2018 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    That was a brilliant strip. It gives me a pleasant feeling to note all the Christians who do not like Trump who have to watch as the bar goes lower and lower. Oddly, this lifts my spirits.

  17. Posted April 23, 2018 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Unfortunately, we already know that Doonesbury often “preaches to the choir” (if you’ll pardon the expression). But it still was good to say.

    • Posted April 23, 2018 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

      Preaching to the choir is something unavoidable that happens to all authors with a consistent point of view, this website included. This is why we have to relish those little controversies that crop up now and then.


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