Are you kidding?

The “President” tweeted this today:

All religions? Who is he kidding? Graham was an anti-Semite, and why would the Jews miss him? Given that he thought all non-Christians—and those Christians who didn’t accept Jesus Christ as their savior—would go to hell, why would any non-Christian miss him?  Trump could have been laudatory without that ridiculous statement.


  1. Ann German
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Why? Because, Trump:
    “Trump could have been (fill in blank) without that ridiculous (fill in blank).”

    • gluonspring
      Posted February 21, 2018 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

      Why did my cat just hack up a hairball?

      Same question.

  2. Posted February 21, 2018 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Trump couldn’t have been Trump without that ridiculous statement.


  3. Joe Seither
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Billy Graham came by it ‘honestly’ you might say, since Martin Luther himself was a passionate anti-Semite — it’s just part of the 500-year-old Protestant tradition.

    “In 1543 Luther published On the Jews and Their Lies in which he says that the Jews are a “base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth.”[14] They are full of the “devil’s feces … which they wallow in like swine.”[15] The synagogue was a “defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut …”[16]…”

    • Filippo
      Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

      Martin Luther words-to-the-effect on women and childbirth: “Let them die of it; that is what they are for.”

      Is the major reason for anti-Semitism (at least from the Christian religioso perspective) that Jews allegedly caused the death of Christ? Re: “Christ-killer.”

      Would anti-Semitic Christians prefer that Jews had striven to prevent Jesus from being crucified? Would they then have been anti-Semitic because the Jews had prevented that, preventing the shedding of blood/atonement, preventing Christians from attaining everlasting life?

      • Posted February 22, 2018 at 11:40 am | Permalink

        That’s similar to my (and other wits discovering it independently) that Judas should be regarded as the greatest of saints. Why? Because he too fulfilled his role in the “greatest story” and it was a hard and difficult one (presumably), yet a necessary one – according to the accounts, anyway.

  4. Liz
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    I personally don’t care for Obama’s tweet either. A little surprised actually.

    • rickflick
      Posted February 21, 2018 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

      He may be running for something. Maybe he’s headed back to the Senate.

  5. Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Now, now, we should be charitable to those sliding into debilitated senescence; yet you’re right in regards to that bubble he certainly lives in, kidding indeed, it’s a freak show in there!

  6. Dave137
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Trump learned about Billy Graham eight minutes before he tweeted.

    I wonder what Frederick Douglass thinks about it.

  7. Dave137
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:04 pm | Permalink


    • Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

      I wish Hitch and Graham could have traded lifespans.

      • rickflick
        Posted February 21, 2018 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

        “Lying to the young for a living. What a horrible career. I gather it’s soon to be over. I certainly hope so.”

        I think this talk took place in 2008, which means Hitch had 3 years to live and Graham had 10. Life is not fair.

        • Mark
          Posted February 22, 2018 at 12:53 am | Permalink

          Only the good die young

  8. Ken Kukec
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    In his “listening session” today at the White House with school shooting survivors, Trump actually had to bring a five-item cheat-sheet for showing empathy prepared by his staff, which included the tip to say “I hear you.”

    • rickflick
      Posted February 21, 2018 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

      I suspect every modern president has had staff to help them formulate the wording needed in each situation. But I think Trump may be the first president that must be told what he should seem to think and feel as well.

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted February 21, 2018 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

        Oh, sure, when meeting with people from the OMB to discuss the budget, or from the Fed to discuss monetary policy, or when meeting with a group of trade representatives — but crib notes for empathy? It’s like when Trump (who ridiculed Obama for his use of a teleprompter) had to use one himself to deliver his remarks immediately after the massacre (and did so haltingly at that, as though he couldn’t be arsed to review the remarks beforehand).

        Trump seems to lack normal human emotions, or at least the normal positive ones, the ones beyond resentment, and anger, and the need to mock others mercilessly for his own self-aggrandizement. The man’s very bearing bespeaks sociopathy.

    • Posted February 21, 2018 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

      I can’t believe that’s a real note. (Why would he have it facing out, anyway? He is not that dumb.) And FIVE points to remember instead of just three?

      • rickflick
        Posted February 22, 2018 at 5:59 am | Permalink

        I agree. It looks Photoshopped to me. Yet, like a good political cartoon, it tells us what we already know. He’s a grown man with the mind of a child.

      • rickflick
        Posted February 22, 2018 at 6:14 am | Permalink

        On the other hand, WAPO (and others) has a report. It looks legitimate.

  9. alexandra Moffat
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Yah, he was special in his awfulness. Dickens and Twain would have made mincemeat out of him. And now more years of the apple that didn’t fall far from the tree. These power hungry, hypocritical, mawkish manipulators. Oh for some political leader brave and wise enough to expose them….

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

      Yeah, Mencken mighta had a thing or two to say on the topic, too. 🙂

  10. Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Trump never misses an opportunity to piss people off … I mean be divisive. His motto should be “No bad idea left behind”.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted February 21, 2018 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

      Never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity to do the right thing, is Trump’s motto.

  11. Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    I very much doubt that Roman Catholics miss him, I’m certain that the Eastern Orthodox and Russian Orthodox don’t miss him, neither do Jews. As for Hindus, Jains, Buddhists and Muslims, among many other religions, I wager that the overwhelming majority of them have never even heard of him!

  12. Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    Reblogged this on The Logical Place.

  13. Randall Schenck
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    I think Hitchens did a fine job on this shyster and fraud. But Trump and Billy have a lot in common as they both made a great living lying to people.

  14. Christopher
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    NPR reported this afternoon that tRump had attended Graham’s 95th birthday party, so those two lying bigoted buffoons were already aquatinted. No surprise really. Graham seems to have made it his life-long goal to comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted.

  15. Posted February 21, 2018 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    The Orange Draft Dodger tweets whatever pops into his small mind, proving once again that he is far from the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Fist, considering that everyone is unique, ‘there was no one like him’ is totally meaningless. Second, in addition to all those other religions that have no truck with Graham, many Christians did also not appreciate Graham, particularly those brands that embrace pacifism and fully support the separation of church and state. And third, special does not equate to goodness.

  16. ladyatheist
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Since this tweet has nothing to do with DJT, I doubt he actually wrote it.

  17. Derek Freyberg
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Lighten up, people,he’s just pandering to his base.

    • Posted February 21, 2018 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

      He’s being an asshole by pretending to show empathy to students who are grieving.

      There is no “lightening up” where he is concerned.

  18. Derek Freyberg
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Previous message lost the “turn snark off” at the end.

  19. JonLynnHarvey
    Posted February 21, 2018 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    I am NOT a fan of Billy Graham!

    That said, later in life, he DID allow that non-Christians get to heaven, largely influenced by the theology of C.S. Lewis, who in turn was deeply influenced by Greek Orthodox theology on this point. It caused many conservative evangelicals to reject Graham as a heretic. (I should add that BGs explanations of this are fairly condescending.)
    (Documentation: )

    Graham in 2002 began to reject and apologize for his previous anti-Semitism, though multiple Jewish folk considered his apologies weak and insufficient! Even in his earlier days, Graham consistently rejected evangelical attempts to convert Jews!

    Finally, as much as I like Christopher Hitchens much of the time, CH was a very poor judge of who really believed Christianity or not. Contrary to CHs judgment, I am thoroughly convinced Graham and Falwell believed every word they preached. Hitchens here is solely lacking in sociological imagination.
    (However, I don’t think Trump believes a word of it!!!!!)
    (However, I remain quite fond of CHs’ matchbox quip.)

    Although Graham was to the end of his life opposed to same-sex marriage, nonetheless Westboro Baptist plans to picket his funeral, largely in protest of his “latter-day” belief, that, yes, Buddhists, Confucianists, etc. might go to heaven.

    • E.A. Blair
      Posted February 22, 2018 at 9:34 am | Permalink

      There was also a time when he advocated that his sheeple avoide getting involved in politics.

  20. Roger
    Posted February 22, 2018 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    Is it me or does the tweet seem too coherent for a Trump tweet.

  21. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted February 22, 2018 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Every time the subject of televangelists crops up, I’m reminded of the Coen Brothers 1988 movie Pass The Ammo, a satire on the televangelism industry, featuring Tim Curry as the Reverend Ray Porter. Perfect casting, I think, Curry does the fruity hellfire preacher thing really well.


    • darrelle
      Posted February 22, 2018 at 8:11 am | Permalink

      Huh, I’ve never heard of this movie. The Coen Brothers? Tim Curry? Satire of televangelism? Sounds like a not-to-be-missed movie!

  22. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted February 22, 2018 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    Meanwhile, talking of religiosos and the Trump, here’s another one, from Kansas (where else?)

    “former governor Sam Brownback, who took office seven years ago and, having run up enormous deficits and, according to several polls, a 23% approval rating, recently resigned to become President Trump’s “Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom.” (Brownback is known to be a strong advocate of religious freedom, as long as the religion involved is the right kind of Christianity.)”

    (From Loweringthebar, )


  23. E.A. Blair
    Posted February 22, 2018 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    My first reaction on hearing this news: “It’s about time!”

  24. Posted February 22, 2018 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Billy Graham was anti-Semite; so was Martin Luther.
    Are not all – or at least most of the – Christians anti-Semites?

  25. Posted February 22, 2018 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Love (or at least tolerance) for Graham seems to have been bipartisan. Take advantage and share (I cannot remember where I saw it) the photo of him with Bill Clinton.

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