Zinnia Jones: The dangers of Regressivism

Zinnia Jones is a transgender woman who nominally posts at The Orbit, a series of blogs that were once part of Freethought Blogs but separated from that site for reasons that were never explicit. I rarely read her site, and rarely look at The Orbit itself because postings at the 22 constituent blogs are rare; in fact, Zinnia’s last post was December 2 of last year, and here are the dates of the last posts from some other people whose sites I’d sometimes read when they were at Freethought Blogs:

Dana Hunter: May 18, 2017
Alex Gabriel: January 3, 2017
Aoife O’Riordan: January 22, 2017
Greta Christina: December 6 of this year, but last post before that was on September 27, 2017
Ashley Miller: May 3, 2016
Heina Dadabhoy: December 31, 2016
Jason Thibeault: September 17, 2016

Of the remaining 15 sites, eleven haven’t had a post since October of this year. It’s clear that The Orbit is dying a slow death, and probably for the same reason that the Atheism Plus site went under: off-putting authoritarianism and, in the case of Atheism Plus, horrible internecine squabbles over completely trivial matters.

Zinnia Jones, however, seems to be on Twitter almost constantly (I don’t look at many people’s accounts, but just checked), and one of her tweets from this year demonstrates in a nutshell the reason why The Orbit has put so many people off. It’s from July, and seems to have been removed, but was saved (nothing disappears for good on the Internet):

The tweet:

But of course it’s clear that ISIS in Syria and Iraq does indeed throw gay people off of buildings to their deaths. Here’s a CNN video documenting it (some of the images might be disturbing). You can find videos rather than still pictures elsewhere on the Internet, but I’ll let you suss them out yourself.

Why did Jones say that these are “suicide photos”? It’s clear: she’s trying to defend Islam from the charge of homophobia, a regular pasttime of Regressive Leftists. But the accusation won’t stand, and Ngo attributes it to “intersectionality”:

The principle of intersectionality—that people can be oppressed on the basis of several different characteristics (e.g., ethnicity and religion)—is not problematic, but what it’s done is foster each group’s defense of all the others. So, for example—as in this case—Muslims, who occupy one “axis”, must be defended by a transgender woman against any of the religion’s own oppressions. In the end, intersectionality seems to poison everything, as every “oppressed” group becomes immune to all charges of racism or bigotry, which become solely the purview of heterosexual white men. And what that does is erode basic principles of liberalism.

Let me assure you that Zinnia Jones wouldn’t last a day under ISIS, or, as a blogger, in several Middle Eastern countries.

h/t: Grania


  1. Posted December 8, 2017 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Great jumping jesus, how can anyone be so blind?

    • yazikus
      Posted December 8, 2017 at 11:30 am | Permalink

      As PCCE noted, the Tweet seems to have been deleted which makes me wonder whether or not this is truly legit. If so, staggering.

      • Posted December 8, 2017 at 11:32 am | Permalink

        Oh. I missed that. Perhaps Jones is the victim of a hacker.

        • Richard Sanderson
          Posted December 8, 2017 at 11:35 am | Permalink

          Nope. I very much doubt it. Zinnia has a history of tweeting shite like this.

          • Posted December 8, 2017 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

            Sad. I do believe, on this evidence alone, that she is mentally ill. How else could reality be so hideously distorted?

            • Craw
              Posted December 8, 2017 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

              ” When the person who posted that rightfully came back at them with the point that they were being thrown off, she then followed up by saying that the people doing the throwing are trying to stop them from jumping.”


              • Posted December 8, 2017 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

                Link is broken for me.

              • Posted December 8, 2017 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

                Actually, no, it was blocked by my mobile provider. It’s not really broken.

              • Craw
                Posted December 8, 2017 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

                It details some more of this kind of apologist bullshit from ZJ, including doxxing.

    • David Kinard
      Posted December 30, 2017 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

      So blind as to realize the principle of clickbait, that being controversial will make you famous?

      She’s not as dumb as she sounds.

  2. Richard Sanderson
    Posted December 8, 2017 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    “Suicide videos”????

    They are videos of gay people being MURDERED.

    Zinnia stems from the FreeThoughtBlogs network, a heaving stink of scumbags and bullies, who like to hide behind SocJus language to convince people their targets are “harassers”, and people like Zinnia are the victims. It is always the other way round.

    Recently, I’ve seen a number of insane “hot takes” from Zinnia on Twitter (second only to Peter “Humanisticus” Ferguson). Zinnia is a nasty POS, a Soc Jus regressive, and a bully.

  3. Posted December 8, 2017 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    @Intersectionality: There’s a naming problem with these people. They put most effort into avoiding detection: there are safe spaces where they gestate, and once out in the wild they disguise themselves as Left or Liberal despite that their ideology is radically different from what was usually understood by such terms. They cannot be left, because they completely ignore economics, and capitalism and downplay it in favour of The Patriarchy. They aren’t liberals, for they have a disdain for personal choice and freedom of expressions.

    They aren’t actual intersectional either, in the way once proposed by Crenshaw. Their intersectionality simply is the radically manichean world of oppressors and oppressed, where intersectionality is simply the name given to the rationale why women and Muslims need to team up against the White Male Oppressor.

    Zinnia Jones, the Orbit and Freethought Blogs are internet famous centres of this belief system.

    • Simon
      Posted December 8, 2017 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

      Yes, they are left, very left. Some of these SJW types are coming right out and declaring their anti-capitalist credentials. In their minds capitalism is rooted in the nebulous Patriarchy.

  4. Posted December 8, 2017 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    She has recently been gloating about the suicide of a porn star who was harassed for refusing to have sex with a male porn star who did gay movies. Apparently you don’t get to pick and choose who to have sex with now. If only there was a term for cultures that condone coerced sex.

    • Richard Sanderson
      Posted December 8, 2017 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

      A few months ago, she was demanding that straight men force themselves to have sex with transwomen.

      If they resisted, they were transphobic and homophobic, or something.

      Zinnia, like all regressive SocJus nutbars, likes to dictate people’s sexual preferences.

    • Posted December 8, 2017 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

      If you won’t have sex with a transwoman, you are a bigot:

      • Posted December 8, 2017 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

        Zinnia tweet circa 2014:

        “do you think ur too good for dicks in your ass

        ridiculous straight dude hang ups
        just shove some dicks up your ass

        And xe more recently tweeted that the way to “cure” a transphobe* would be to “rub some transcock and balls over his face.”

        * In Zinnia’s lexicon, anyone not interesting in sex with Zinnia.

        • John Taylor
          Posted December 8, 2017 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

          Wow. No thanks!

    • ALe
      Posted December 8, 2017 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

      Yep, she said “A homophobe killed herself and now people are all concerned about the bullying of homophobes? Excuse me but WHERE HAVE YOU ALL BEEN for queer people all this time?”

      As if being opposed to bullying were mutually exclusive with support for gay rights. Zinnia is awful.

  5. Craw
    Posted December 8, 2017 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    That’s the most stomach turning thing I have seen in months.

  6. Harrison
    Posted December 8, 2017 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    The timing of the launching of The Orbit was shortly after the ousting of Ophelia Benson, which was a very divisive topic. Virtually everyone who left were those in favor of removing her from FtB and were visibly upset that even though she did get the boot, it was a slow process and several, including Myers, had attempted to defend her.

    • Posted December 8, 2017 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

      I haven’t the time or the stomach (based on the reports here) to bother going to The Orbit. Never been there and I ain’t going now. But I do remember FtB. Haven’t been there in a long time. Not since…I can’t remember who it was but one of their members was ejected for plagiarizing. That wasn’t Benson was it? I don’t recall. ISTM she was attacked for something to do with trans people but maybe it was her that was caught out lifting other’s words?

      Anyway, around then I realized what a sewer it was. It took me awhile, I’m sorry to say and though I was a very infrequent visitor (and never a commentator there) that was the last straw. What nonsense.

      So many wasted pixels.

      • Harrison
        Posted December 8, 2017 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

        The plagiarist went by the name “Avicenna Last.” Benson was ejected for refusing to answer the question “Are transwomen women?” as it was determined this made her a TERF.

        Fun fact: More women have been ejected from FtB than men.

        • Posted December 8, 2017 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

          THAT’S RIGHT! Thanks. My memory is getting unreliable.

        • Posted December 8, 2017 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

          As I recall, she didn’t refuse to answer the question, merely to give a “yes/no” answer (as opposed to a nuanced one).

          I also recall that she wasn’t ejected but decided to leave over the issue.

      • Posted December 8, 2017 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

        Benson was kicked out for asking the question “are trans women really women”. That was the end of her. Nobody bothered to read and understand the arguments as to why the answer might be no, they simply ripped into her.

        • chrism
          Posted December 9, 2017 at 7:09 am | Permalink

          To be accurate, I believe she was asked to answer that question and found herself unable to do so. So the pack turned on her and shredded her. It was just her turn. These people could learn a lot by reading about Robespierre.

      • Rich Sanderson
        Posted December 8, 2017 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

        Avicenna, who once wrote a fake news article about me, accusing me of lying!

        The nutbar. I enjoyed his downfall.

  7. Harrison
    Posted December 8, 2017 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    As some people discuss in the linked tweet, it’s very probable that Zinnia is trolling and not sincerely trying to argue the inarguable.

    Which is no defense at all of course. It’s a horrible, beyond tasteless “joke,” and definitely makes her look far, far worse than whatever bigots she’s attempting to mock.

    • Craw
      Posted December 8, 2017 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

      Seems not. Follow the link I gave above.

    • Posted December 8, 2017 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

      Strained apologetics on Zinnia’s behalf. Xe strikes me as completely in earnest (not to mention severely mentally disturbed.)

      In any case, Intent Is Not Magic.™

  8. Posted December 8, 2017 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    I slightly disagree with the notion that he/she/it would not last long in ISIS or whatever. Useful idiots are always handy and are handy propaganda tools.

    • John Taylor
      Posted December 8, 2017 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

      No, I don’t think so. ISIS loves a white western jihadist, even when they struggle to grow a beard, but I’m pretty certain they would make short work of Zinnia.

  9. Tigzington
    Posted December 8, 2017 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    ‘It’s clear that The Orbit is dying a slow death’

    I have to disagree with this, given that dying is contingent on being alive in the first place.

  10. Posted December 8, 2017 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    The Orbit is essentially the illustrated edition of the DSM.

  11. Former SJW
    Posted December 9, 2017 at 2:13 am | Permalink

    Zinnia Jones KNEW FULL WELL that the photo depicted ISIS throwing an innocent man to his death. Her motivation for lying about this was calculating self-aggrandizement within her own bubble of regressives: it’s her way of saying,”Look at how strong my faith is, that I can believe THIS, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary”.

    Think of the despicable, pscyopathic lack of empathy necessary to be that person.

    • chrism
      Posted December 9, 2017 at 7:12 am | Permalink

      “Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once”

      We have been here before…

  12. David Evans
    Posted December 9, 2017 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Muslims are oppressed in some places, therefore we shouldn’t criticize any Muslims anywhere.

    White men have been oppressed in some places (e.g. Zimbabwe), therefore we shouldn’t criticize any white men anywhere.

    Good. That’s me off the hook. Next?

  13. Posted December 11, 2017 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Judging by this brief exchange I had with her, she’s genuinely proud of her comments about the ISIS murders:

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