At least six dead in truck attack in Manhattan

Not again! It happened when a Home Depot truck drove along the bike path that was the West Side Highway, hitting people and then the driver exited, brandishing what is described as an “imitation firearm”. The suspect was shot by police but is apparently not dead. According to CNN, police haven’t ruled out terrorism, and the truck method suggests that. But an imitation gun? That doesn’t comport.

The truck:



  1. eliz20108
    Posted October 31, 2017 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    This is on a different topic. Do you as a Jew have any conflict over Halloween? Do you see this as a religious holiday?

    • GBJames
      Posted October 31, 2017 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

      What a strange question. Regardless of whether one sees it as a religious holiday or not, why would someone have “conflict” over it?

      • Posted October 31, 2017 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

        Maybe you should ask the Christian nutjob who stood outside my office all day railing against Halloween this afternoon through a loudspeaker.

      • Posted November 1, 2017 at 7:02 am | Permalink

        No joke.

        My wife (public elementary school teacher) is prohibited from any Halloween decorations, mention of it, etc.

        Mainly because, “some people don’t celebrate it.”

        They have been reduced to essentially no holiday celebration (or acknowledgement) except for Thanksgiving — and that will probably go by the wayside when the Native Americans complain.

        Political Correctness and the Offense Culture have gone way too far. What a bunch of joyless peck-sniffs.

    • Posted October 31, 2017 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

      Just eat some damn candy.

    • Posted October 31, 2017 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

      Yes, as a matter of fact he does have a conflict. His department tried to feed him that damn candy corn.

    • Posted November 1, 2017 at 10:30 am | Permalink

      When your question begins with, “Do you, as a Jew…” Think long and hard before you ask it.

      • denise
        Posted November 1, 2017 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

        I have a friend and former co-worker who clearly absented herself from anything connected with Halloween – and stated that she was doing so as a Jew.

        A quick Google search on Jews and Halloween turns up much on the subject, such as a piece entitled: “How did a holiday that once seemed like a bit of harmless fun turn into a source of conflict for many American Jews?”

        Jewish myself and I was not aware of this until my friend made an issue out of it, but apparently this is really a thing.

        • Posted November 2, 2017 at 11:40 am | Permalink

          Humans are diverse. I imagine virtually anything can be denied based on any bit of background. I think, in retrospect, some of my elementary school classmates who didn’t do Hallowe’en, for example, were of Muslim parents. I don’t see the connection (other than to perhaps rules about clothing), but …

  2. Randall Schenck
    Posted October 31, 2017 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Looks like terrorism. The guy was shot in the leg when he got out of the truck. Six people killed and several injuries.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted October 31, 2017 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

      Looks like terrorism.

      Home grown (alt-right, insane christian, just plain insane) or islamist? Or, for that matter, there are nut-job Hindus, Mormons and probably Zorastrians. From the presented data, that can’t be told. (Item hasn’t hit the news in the UK at this time.) On raw terrorism statistics for the US, alt-right would be most likely.
      Not that statistics will count for one jot as the adrenals pump out their cargo of doom.

      • GBJames
        Posted October 31, 2017 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

        “Witnesses reported the suspect was yelling “Allahu Akbar,” according to four law enforcement sources” is a clue.

        • Randall Schenck
          Posted October 31, 2017 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

          Mayor of New York claims terrorism.

        • Posted October 31, 2017 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

          In these initial hours after a suspected terrorist attack, a person to follow is Rukmini Callimachi on twitter. She has a database on the accuracy of historical claims of responsibility in similar attacks by which she can give information about the IS record in the immediate aftermath.

        • gravelinspector-Aidan
          Posted October 31, 2017 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

          It’s a clue, but not reported here.
          Even Donald Smallhands isn’t screaming “religious terrorist” yet.

          • GBJames
            Posted October 31, 2017 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

            It is reported in the story PCC[e] provides a link to, above.

            • gravelinspector-Aidan
              Posted October 31, 2017 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

              It’s CNN. Has adverts. I really do loathe and detest advertising, so do not support it unless I cannot possibly avoid it. Besides, I had the telly on and have already paid for the Beeb.

              • GBJames
                Posted October 31, 2017 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

                Your loathing of advertising is irrelevant.

              • Posted October 31, 2017 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

                Must admit, I go with Aidan here. “All adverts are crap, even the good ones”.

                I watched the slow torture of the 2016 US election vote on CNN and was appalled at what a hopeless presenter Wolf Blitzer was – dull, disengaged, inflexible, parochial, humourless and not up to his brief. Occasionally, I swapped to the BBC coverage: Andrew Neil, on the ball, funny, knew his onions with an objective distance and able to chair a discussion on implications.

                How badly USians, in that sample, were served by one of their mass media.

              • GBJames
                Posted November 1, 2017 at 8:09 am | Permalink

                How does the existence of advertising equate to “not reported here”. Evidence doesn’t disappear if you close your eyes and cover your ears.

      • Simon
        Posted October 31, 2017 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

        Alt-right? What does that even mean? The definition varies according to the convenience of the definer and how widely they want to smear and spread guilt by association.

        Statistics without qualification are not useful. Terrorist acts come in many flavours, some involving property damage only, some are intended only to scare or injure and there are signature methods indicating the perpetrator. While far from conclusive, the use of a truck to mow down people shortens the odds considerably on the motivation. When killing is the obvious desired goal and random members of the public are involved, you can eliminate most of the domestic terrorist groups.

      • Posted October 31, 2017 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

        On raw terrorism statistics for the US, alt-right would be most likely.

        Those statistics being the single case of of an alt-right driver plowing into a crowd of protestors rather than the 3000 or so deaths caused by Muslims flying aircraft into buildings?

    • Simon
      Posted October 31, 2017 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

      Uzbeki immigrant. Truck of Peace odds now way up.

  3. Posted October 31, 2017 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Truck attacks have occasionally involved fake suicide vests so an imitation gun wouldn’t be too strange.

    • Max Blancke
      Posted October 31, 2017 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

      I think the point of the fake vests or guns are that you can intimidate people into not fighting back. You can hijack a car with a fake gun almost as easily as with a real one. But if you try it unarmed, you might get punched in the nose.

      • Posted November 1, 2017 at 7:04 am | Permalink

        Thare’s also a desire for martyrdom.

        As Sam Harris reminds us (again and again) beliefs like jihad, afterlife, honor, and martyrdom have consequences.

  4. Jay Baldwin
    Posted October 31, 2017 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    “Imitation gun” = suicide by cop, as one possibility.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted October 31, 2017 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

      Certainly a possibility.
      Spur of the moment decision by someone just going plain-vanilla insane is also plausible. If they were too distressed to do the 20-minutes paperwork – however long it takes in [whatever county, village or country provides Manhattan it’s gun laws?] to get a gun in [wherever the perpetrator started from – same or different state?]. I would hope that the paperwork to hire a truck is less complicated than to buy a real weapon. But “hope” is as strong as it gets – certainly not anything as strong as an expectation.
      Hang on – a “Home Depot” truck? They’re a DIY/ builders’ merchants, aren’t they? And they also do truck hire? Presumably you buy a pallet of [whatever], have it put on the truck and drive off, return, pay the rental, pick up your bicycle and pedal home to use the lumber. Insurance checks must be simpler than in UK vehicle hire. Otherwise we wouldn’t put up with the palaver of “your goods will be delivered in 5 days time” we get here.

      • somer
        Posted November 1, 2017 at 6:37 am | Permalink

        The side of the truck says “Rent me starting at $19 for the first 75 Minutes”

        “”Rent me starting at $19” in
        and “me starting at $19 for the first 75 minutes” in picture above

        • Posted November 1, 2017 at 7:06 am | Permalink

          Home Depot (for non-USians) is a large chain of home-improvement stores (and they are excellent in my opinion). One of the conveniences they offer is short-term truck rental so you can get your large, heavy items home conveniently (and not have to own a truck or trailer or have the hassle of having to rent a truck/trailer elsewhere).

    • DiscoveredJoys
      Posted October 31, 2017 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

      “Imitation gun” = suicide by cop, as one possibility.

      Or possibly if you have accepted the religious instruction of your elders “Martyrdom by cop”.

      Or, if you are cynical, making sure that your ‘warrior’ doesn’t live to expose the leaders and enablers.

  5. gravelinspector-Aidan
    Posted October 31, 2017 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    What’s Beeb got to say @2200 GMT.
    8 body count. Dozen injured.
    No mention that weapon was an imitation (which wouldn’t change how the police respond anyway) – indeed eyewitnesses report suspect discharging his/ her weapon.
    “Lower Manhattan” (?) Near the new World Trade Centre.
    Mentions of chucking-out time at a nearby school, but not clear if that was part of any plan.

    • Posted November 1, 2017 at 7:06 am | Permalink

      Same stats this morning.

  6. Gayle Ferguson
    Posted October 31, 2017 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    I’m amazed that imitation guns are even available in the US – why make fake ones when anyone can just go buy a real one? Must be a foreigner, unaware of the ease of getting a real gun!

    • DiscoveredJoys
      Posted October 31, 2017 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

      …but if you intend to be a martyr anyway why not discredit the cops for shooting an ‘unarmed’ man? Makes great propaganda for stirring up more victimhood.

    • Craw
      Posted October 31, 2017 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

      Aside from a real gun it’s about the most dangerous thing you can have. Kids have been shot by cops who saw a gun. They are supposed to have a red thing on them, but people pull them off. Then they look just like a gun. There was a move to ban them a few years ago.

    • tubby
      Posted October 31, 2017 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

      He had a paintball gun and pellet gun. If you’re using a real gun for your paintball games you’re really way too hard core.

    • Max Blancke
      Posted October 31, 2017 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

      The idea that you can just go out and buy a handgun is propaganda. To buy any gun requires a federal background check. Handgun purchases are more regulated than that. In my state, you have to apply with the county sheriff for a permit to buy a handgun. There is a wait of at least a month to get the permit, and that lets you buy one handgun.
      It is a felony to buy a gun with the intention of selling it or giving it to another person, even if that person would otherwise qualify to buy their own. A felon can not possess a gun, ever.
      People in the US do buy airsoft or BB guns, for the same reasons everyone else does. Other people collect deactivated military guns, that cannot be made to fire.

      • Posted October 31, 2017 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

        “To buy any gun requires a federal background check.”

        This is patently false. There is a reason why the “gun show loophole” is a thing.

      • somer
        Posted November 1, 2017 at 6:18 am | Permalink

        The perpetrator was said (possibly heard incorrectly but reported on various news fora including BBC) to say “Allahu Akbar”. The fake gun thing is a bit strange and non Muslim psychopathic crazies in Melbourne or sociopaths in New York have been known to kill pedestrians and others with vehicles since the terrible Nice attack as a kind of smaller scale copy cat kill thing. It is possible this killer was psychotic though his hiring of a truck etc seemed a little planned for that – he could possibly have been a crazed psychopath like the Las Vegas killer

        The perpetrator was a migrant who according to US authorities was from Uzbekistan (a muslim land), and was photographed with a religious style beard (face frontal presumably official pic). ISIS encourages killings using trucks – usually HIRED trucks which this appears to have been. Re the lack of a real gun – the killer would have been unlikely to get to kill that number of people unless he had a semi automatic gun and he may well have been apprehended in advance. Moreover, and perhaps more importantly
        ISIS and fundamentalist jihadi doctrine encourages martyrdom in conflict against non muslims. By presenting with fake guns after doing the actual killing spree the killer ensured that he would be shot.

    • Posted November 1, 2017 at 7:07 am | Permalink

      Well, hand gun purchases do require a background check (except for the moronic “gun show loophole”). If you are impulsive …

  7. Diana MacPherson
    Posted October 31, 2017 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if it’s going to get a whole lot harder to rent trucks since there attacks seem to use them so often.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted October 31, 2017 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

      Maybe, kind of like airplane lessons right after 9/11.

    • Posted November 1, 2017 at 7:09 am | Permalink

      Very unlikely in the USA.

      They could simply steal a truck or a car.
      I’m surprised they haven’t done that yet, though it would provide one additional risk of being stopped prior to completing the “mission”.

  8. Posted October 31, 2017 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Young male muslim immigrant plus rental truck. Probably happens a hundred times a day, but always worrisome.

  9. Posted October 31, 2017 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    A paintball gun and a flare gun.

  10. Posted October 31, 2017 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Oh but he’s a “one wolf”, so it officially has nothing to do with Islam.

    These are not the droids you’re looking for.

    • Posted October 31, 2017 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

      lone wolf

      • Posted October 31, 2017 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

        The phrase “lone wolf” is largely misleading. For example in the west (N. America and Europe) since June 2014, there have been 51 “successful” jihadist attacks.

        8% were acting under direct orders from IS leadership. 26% were “inspired by its message”. 66% had some form of connection to the Islamic State or other jihadist groups
        but acted independently. (Source:

        We should not forget that in July the IS Caliphate put up online a guide to jihadist attacks – methods, targets. Basically, a last will and testament suggesting ways to kill the infidel by any means necessary.

        In my experience, there is a 3 month gap between the Islamist terrorist attack and its almost simultaneous claim of responsibility by the jihadist group, and confirmation or otherwise by security analysts that this was indeed the case.

  11. Craw
    Posted November 1, 2017 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    Linda Sarsour weighs in

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