How are Jews like Muslims?

If this article is true, and I suspect it is, then the answer is “Among the orthodox of both faiths: extreme prudishness combined with irrationality”.

Read for yourself (click on the screenshot to go to the link) and tell me if you think this is real. The article describes all kinds of machinations that hyper-orthodox Jews go to to avoid contacting the opposite sex (I’ve written about Airplane Musical Seats before), but this takes the cake:

40 Comments

  1. scote
    Posted September 23, 2017 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Ridiculous behavior, if true. But I much prefer that prudes wear blindfolds to making woman cover up. I wish we could make prudes do this everywhere.

    • Brian salkas
      Posted September 23, 2017 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

      I agree, if you are offended by women or how they dress, that is your problem. And you should be the one looking stupid and covering yourself up. But I really wonder how much that this is justified by the doctrines of the Torah or the Talmud. I also wonder if all three of the Abraham religions could cause one to reach this conclusion.

      • BJ
        Posted September 23, 2017 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

        Having gone to Hebrew school for several years in my youth, I can’t say I recall anything from the Torah (though it’s entirely possible I simply forgot). I wouldn’t know about the Talmud.

        While there is certainly a very significant lack of equality between the sexes among ultra-orthodox Jews, the modesty of clothing isn’t really among the areas of inequality. Both sexes are expected to wear extremely restrictive and modest clothing. The men wear long sleeves, pants, and big hats, and the women wear long sleeves, skirts, and usually a head covering of some sort (generally a scarf-like wrap around the top of the head).

      • Posted September 25, 2017 at 11:41 am | Permalink

        A friend of mine (raised in a Conservative Jewish household) explained that many rules are introduced in Talmud to prevent breaking what are taken to be more serious rules. For example, no carrying money during the holy days, so as to not be tempted to violate the original bit about not spending money then, etc.

    • Gareth
      Posted September 24, 2017 at 7:10 am | Permalink

      So much this.

    • Diane G.
      Posted September 25, 2017 at 2:47 am | Permalink

      + 3 !

  2. Debbie Coplan
    Posted September 23, 2017 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Meshugeneh-

  3. Posted September 23, 2017 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    No it’s not ultra-Orthodox. It’s totally new crap with no basis other than competition for the title of most holy

    • jeffery
      Posted September 23, 2017 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

      “Virtue signaling” is alive and well!

  4. GBJames
    Posted September 23, 2017 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure it is true. Long ago, when I was in college, I took a class in film making from a very Orthodox Jew. I remember talking to him in his office once about it. (I have no memory of how it came up.) He tried his best to never look at women.

    How do you do that and teach at a public university? Sheesh.

  5. alexandra Moffat
    Posted September 23, 2017 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    they sure must be in most desperate need of attention….. pathetic, to be so hornswaggled

  6. loren russell
    Posted September 23, 2017 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    err.. don’t they, while blindfolded, run a risk of colliding with other travelers, women included? Or do they, once their eyes are covered, form a conga line led by a hired goy?

  7. Posted September 23, 2017 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Orthodox jews wear blindfolds to avoid seeing “immodest” women, but muslims avoid seeing immodest women by forcing women to wear “modest” clothes like burqa and hajib. That is a big difference for women.

    • SecMilChap
      Posted September 23, 2017 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

      Orthos in Israel have been enabled to declare some sidewalks off-limits for femmes, and I don’t recall seeing followup news on their verbal (or worse) assaults on teen lasses as they travel on public walkways in the (non-Ortho) areas of their cities. I suspect that Orthos’ crimes against women are proceeding well without proper law enforcement action.

      • eric
        Posted September 23, 2017 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

        Let’s not forget that the RCC in India supported legal charges against Sanal Edamaruku when he showed a weeping statue was due to leaky sewage pipes.

        Don’t be fooled by some Christian or Jewish extremists playing along with enlightenment values. They don’t act authoritarian in the west because they lack the power to do so, not because they reject the notion of authoritarianism. Give them the power they often have in third world countries, and women and disbelievers will become thousandth class citizens.

        • Posted September 23, 2017 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

          I guess that is the difference. The religious authoritarians among the jews have little power, whereas among the muslims they have great power. And that is the difference between jews and muslims.

  8. mfdempsey1946
    Posted September 23, 2017 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    The world grows ever more deranged…

  9. dabertini
    Posted September 23, 2017 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    I would assume then that ultraorthadox Jews approve the burka. That says it all.

  10. Harrison
    Posted September 23, 2017 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Religious stupidity sure, but the crucial difference is that these Orthodox Jews are impairing their own vision rather than forcing someone else to cover up. This makes a world of difference in my eyes.

    • dallos
      Posted September 24, 2017 at 12:59 am | Permalink

      Crucial difference is that they don’t have enough power.

  11. Posted September 23, 2017 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    I think this is a fake (photoshopped?) how the hell do you know where your going and you are just as likely to walk into and touch the flesh of a maneating women… ah, but it does show, blind faith in action.
    So that makes it true! hmmm…

  12. YF
    Posted September 23, 2017 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Oy vey. My cousins can be such schmucks. Will they have to wear them when they drive too?

  13. Posted September 23, 2017 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    I love the plastic bag. Which Bible verse, I wonder, says you’re only allowed to fly over a cemetery if you’re wrapped in plastic? Is that, like, in Leviticus … or maybe Deuteronomy? And, just trying to work through this, if the plastic is effective in stopping the spirit vapors of the dead from reaching this fellow, then wouldn’t the plane itself likewise block the spirit vapors?

    • Ken Phelps
      Posted September 24, 2017 at 10:04 am | Permalink

      You’ve really got to get over this notion that words connect to reality in some consistent manner. You’ll never appreciate theology that way.

      Think of realty as that girl at the end of the bar, and theology as the inch of glass at the bottom of your fourteenth beer.

  14. Joseph OSullivan
    Posted September 23, 2017 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    In NYC in an ultra orthodox neighborhood the religious people tried to get a bike lane removed because women would ride past their community dressed immodestly. They also tried to get seating segregated by gender on public buses that served their community. Seeing them wearing blindfolds doesn’t surprise me.

  15. Posted September 23, 2017 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Robert Eisenman argues persuasively that Islam is an offshoot of the Jewish zealots and their hyper-sensitivity to purity & cleanliness.

  16. Posted September 23, 2017 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Religion poisons everything, as Christopher Hitchens said. And the guy wrapped in plastic may be joining the dearly departed in a graveyard sooner than he expects — I think O2 levels in airliners are lower than at ground level without the plastic wrap.

  17. kelskye
    Posted September 23, 2017 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    #NotAllJews

  18. Posted September 24, 2017 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    The scary thing is that’s the flight crew.

    • Diane G.
      Posted September 25, 2017 at 2:51 am | Permalink

      Made me laugh. 😀

  19. Craw
    Posted September 24, 2017 at 1:20 am | Permalink

    I am suspicious. The two on the right look photoshopped. The one on the left would be too then, but I will admit it looks less fake. But the lead guy seems part of the group, and with glasses in the pic is harder to photoshop. His presence with the others is suspicious. Is he the sacrificial lamb who must see women to guide the rest? That feels hinky: such zealotry would not allow an exception.

    I googled and found no well sourced links for this.

    So my verdict is a solid maybe, don’t bet the farm.

    • Diane G.
      Posted September 25, 2017 at 2:53 am | Permalink

      Yeah, for me, this doesn’t pass the sniff test. More like something from The Onion. Pretty funny, still.

  20. JohnJay
    Posted September 24, 2017 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Just some thoughts: Islam, to me, always seemed like an evangelical proselytizing form of Judaism. The emphasis of one God (no God but God) for both religions show why Christianity is such a blasphemy to them (Jesus is God? The Trinity? NO!)

    However, in Judaism, you were born into the tribe. And even converts seemed to be taken as “honorary Jews” than “real” Jews. That’s the difference: Islam is so devoted and self assured of its doctrine, that it demands everyone adhere to its precepts or be condemned . Strangely, that seems to be one thing Islam stole from Christianity: Eternal torture in hell versus eternal reward. Seemed like a good way to control and frighten people, I guess. Punishment by God for sinning Jews always seemed to be a finite misfortune dealt here on earth.

    In Leviticus, there were morning and evening prayers and sacrifices, as well as some based on moon phases, sounding much like the Islamic Salat daily prayers and lunar traditions.

    In this story about the man wearing blinders so as not to see women… the difference is that Islam will force the women to cover up so that the man need not wear blinders and be inconvenienced or tempted. One religion tries to adhere to the Law through their own actions (blindfold), the other demands every one else conform so as not to tempt or disgrace the believer (via burkas).

    • Diane G.
      Posted September 25, 2017 at 2:58 am | Permalink

      “Strangely, that seems to be one thing Islam stole from Christianity…”

      That, and be fruitful and multiply. Think Catholics, Mormons, Quiverfull Evangelicals, and I’m sure there’s more…

  21. Posted September 24, 2017 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Unlike the Muslims, they aren’t demanding the women cover themselves from head to toe to avoid inciting their lust. Apparently self-control isn’t holy.

    I have no objection to people believing stupid things. I object when they expect me to, though.

  22. Posted September 25, 2017 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    I’m skeptical, myself, precisely because of the usual “the other person has to accommodate” pattern.


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