Jesus ‘n’ Mo ‘n’ secularism

Give me the child for the first seven years and I will give you the man.
—Ignatius Loyola (probably apocryphal)

The new Jesus and Mo strip, called “pray,” is an artistic response to the news that 53% of Brits are “not at all religious” (higher among younger folk) and perhaps to the news that each week more children attend compulsory Anglican services in faith schools than people voluntarily attend services in regular Anglican churches.

16 Comments

  1. Ken Kukec
    Posted September 6, 2017 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    That would be “Ignatius of Loyola.” Loyola was the place of birth, rather than patronym, of the founder of the Jesuits.

    • JonLynnHarvey
      Posted September 6, 2017 at 11:47 am | Permalink

      Modern usage of such names is once in a while inconsistent.

      In English, we simply say Thomas Aquinas, even though Italian’s say Tommaso d’Aquino.

      The French have reversed this mistake with Thomas Becket, who really had the family surname of Becket (rare in his day- but his father was a landowning knigh), but the French call him Thomas à Becket.

      More oddly, Joan La Pucelle’s father had toyed with taking the family name Darc, which the English assumed had an apostrophe, D’arc. Thus she was dubbed by the Brits Joan of Arc, although there is no town in France called Arc.

      • Kevin
        Posted September 6, 2017 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

        Leonardo Da Vinci was from Vinci in Tuscany but it was not his baptismal name.
        Musicians also did the same Francesco Canova Da Milano is now referred to in English as Da Milano without the rest, meaning he came from Milan.
        Caravaggio’s actual name was Michelangelo Merisi (Amerighi?).
        Italians usually call the famous Michelangelo by the name of Buonarotti (real name Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni where the “di” indicates “son of” whereas “da” would have meant “from”. di or de sometimes denotes an aristocratic rigin, but that gets complicated.
        I think Italians often substituted their surname with the town of origin when they went to work elsewhere, I suppose because the town name would be more unique in another locality.
        I understand that Jews were often given or took localities as their family name in Italy, I presume after immigration (from Spain under the Inquisition for example) for legal reasons or obligation. Sometimes the surname of this type can indicate Jewish ancestry.

  2. Posted September 6, 2017 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Ooooh, brutal … but nice!

  3. Simon Hayward
    Posted September 6, 2017 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    More of the same and hope for a different outcome? Didn’t work on my generation or the ones that followed….

  4. Randy schenck
    Posted September 6, 2017 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Get them while they are young, that is religion. It is also the military if you take a look.

    • Kevin
      Posted September 6, 2017 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

      Loyola was a mercenary before becoming a priest

  5. JonLynnHarvey
    Posted September 6, 2017 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    I remember compulsory daily chapel at Magdalen College Prep in Oxford, England in the year ’66-’67.
    I recall them as being somewhat dull compared to the very liberal Methodist church we had been attending in America, but being more tolerable than the horrendous church one of my grandparents attended.
    The music was actually extremely good.

  6. Posted September 6, 2017 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    It’s notable how reporting CofE attitudes straightforwardly also works as satire!

  7. Posted September 6, 2017 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    They already have a Mac laptop and a video game console, maybe it’s time to upgrade that 20th Century television and get cable.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted September 6, 2017 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

      Ah. From the first comment on J&M’s page, by one ‘sparky_shark’:

      ‘Its at times like this you have to *pray* that short attention spans, Instagram and cat videos are more interesting than religious dogma peddled by kiddie-fiddlers.’

      Quite so….

      cr

  8. Mark R.
    Posted September 6, 2017 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    I blame evolution. 😉

  9. JohnnieCanuck
    Posted September 6, 2017 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    I note that ‘catch them before they get too clever’ has been the modus operandi of the tobacco industry for some time now.

    Very few people begin smoking as adults.

  10. eric
    Posted September 7, 2017 at 6:11 am | Permalink

    IIRC from my days in an Australian primary school, that system already had prayers, religious assemblies, etc. starting in 1st grade. So I’m not sure exactly how they ‘catch ’em younger’ in the school system, because they’ve already reached the zero point. Will the state’s compulsory education system now include mandatory bible reading to pregnant women?

  11. Posted September 8, 2017 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    Yes, the childhood religious indoctrination (not at home but in the community and in education) worked for me. I have a natural inclination to being loyal, which I think helped to keep me me in the Christian fold for decades, although in that time I did do some church-hopping. But eventually I ran out of ‘evidence’ and excuses, realised that I couldn’t be arsed any more with wrestling the cognitive dissonance (I have a PhD in an evolutionary biology field, comparative endocrinology. I dumped the woo to become an atheist by belief, and philosophically an agnostic – as is Richard Dawkins.

  12. Zetopan
    Posted September 9, 2017 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    That last panel contains an error. “… before they get too clever” should be “… before they get too educated”. The religionists are the ones being “clever” in indoctrinating uninformed and credulous children before those children have had a chance to learn more. The most rabid religionists that I know were indoctrinated at a very young age.


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