More mush-headed atheist bashing

This is a comment that I trashed, but wanted people to see it anyway. Reader “Kezzy” tried to append it to my post “I’m worried about North Korea,” and it shows the lack of thinking on the part of atheist-bashers. It’s inconceivable to Kezzy that atheists would worry about the welfare of others, of future generations, or even value their own life.  Does this person not realize that knowing that our time is finite, and there’s nothing afterwards, makes us value life even the more? Why would we be indifferent to life itself just because we don’t believe in gods?

Of course this person is also embittered and sufficiently steeped in faith that his thinking organs may be impaired.

Wow, look at all the worried atheists! You guys don’t believe in anything after death, so why are you so worried? What are you worried about? It’s either die now because of a conflict or live a few more years and then die, maybe of disease or old age. At least nuclear war would be a quick way to go…..actually I suppose there is always the radiation poisoning which could be pretty excruciating.

31 Comments

  1. Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    To understand Kezzy, you only need to realize that such people only know what they are taught and that they are taught to not think things through, to just accept The Truth(tm) as they are told it.

    I have commented on the appalling lack of quality in current Christian apologetics. I suspect that all of the low-hanging fruit has been plucked (and discredited) and the harder stuff makes their heads hurt because they are told not to think for themselves.

    I find this “we’ll do your thinking for you” attitude puzzling (or just arrogance) because many of the people doing the “teaching” make stuff up willy-nilly. No evidence, no support, just “Jesus said that because …” Hello, how would you know?

    • Posted August 13, 2017 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

      The hierarchy of religion does the ‘hard’ thinking for its constituents. For Christians, it’s the first commandment “thou shalt have go other Gods before me”. Or something like that.

  2. Colin
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if he/she wears a seat-belt.

    • yazikus
      Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

      There isn’t really a point, and a car crash is a quick way to go!

      Honestly, though, I see comments like that as a demonstration of absolute selfishness. No thought or care for anything but one’s self.

      • eric
        Posted August 14, 2017 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

        It makes me sad to think that (a) some adult is teaching such “logic” to kids without noticing the flaws, and that (b) some kids are believing it without noticing the flaws.

        Of course its possible that the adult knows how bad the argument is but uses it anyway. But I generally stick with the old adage of never attributing to malice what can be reasonably explained by incompetence.

  3. BobTerrace
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Kezzy, you aren’t worried about anything before death. You just swallow the religious, superstitious nonsense with which you have been brainwashed, without being able to think for yourself. I would pity you but you are just a closed-minded deplorable.

  4. Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    It’s the same attitude that wrongly concludes that in denying a supreme religious being to anchor morality, that atheism is fertile ground for amoral nunbeaters and bank robbers.

  5. Randy schenck
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    That is strange. I always assumed it was the highly religious that wanted death, the Islams, the Christians and others. Desiring death would be the last thing an atheist would desire. We have nothing but life to live for.

    • Heather Hastie
      Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

      Exactly.

    • JonLynnHarvey
      Posted August 13, 2017 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

      Sartre’s comment about how Christians confuse their own nihilism with his seems relevant.

  6. jaxkayaker
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Not believing there’s anything after death is a pretty good reason to worry about staying alive.

    • dabertini
      Posted August 13, 2017 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

      Brilliant!

  7. Tom
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    It appears tha Kezzy may be refering to an Atheist having no fear of Hell so we live in perpetual “sin” doing what we like whilst Kezzy fearing the Devil leads an entirely godly life (except when he slips up) and is determined to go to heaven. So the longer he lives the more atonement he can make for those slip ups and this the determination to get into Heaven may have become his lifes purpose.
    We atheists can’t go to Heaven so we have no purpose in our lives.
    Reminds me of the song “I’ll build a stairway to Paradise”

  8. Lee
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    I have two questions I like to ask people who think atheists have no moral values.

    1- Is God (if there is a god) good? If there were not some standard by which to say “he is good”, how would you know? If there is such a standard (which in my mind is based on sentience and moral equality), why would it not apply to atheists and theists as well?

    2- Have you ever known a deeply moral atheist? (I’m guessing not.) What if you met one; would that change your mind?
    (Personal note: the most moral people I know are atheists, for reasons Dr. Coyne gives- the finiteness and preciousness of life here and now. This lifetime is all we get to live a life worth living.)

    • Wunold
      Posted August 14, 2017 at 12:31 am | Permalink

      1 is basically Plato’s Euthyphro dilemma. If you didn’t already, you may want to delve into its pro and contra arguments in case you meet a believer who did.

      2 Typical knockout arguments believers use against that is that even atheists got their moral standard from religion -since the society you grew up in developed deeply entwined with it– or from God himself, who put it into you at the start of your life; immoral people are just ignoring or openly (and knowingly) refusing it.

      • Posted August 14, 2017 at 7:04 am | Permalink

        Ref point 2 – the almost certain fact is that it’s the other way round – religion hijacked humanistic morals, wrote them down then claimed them for its own.

  9. JonLynnHarvey
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Even as bright a advocate of toleration of multiple faiths as John Locke believed you could not be moral if you were an atheist.

    (See the essay “John Locke and the atheist exception here. http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/75/john-locke-on-equality-toleration-and-the-atheist-exception )

    But this is before the rise of modern atheists and patently moral ones. In the wake of obviously moral figures from Ingersoll to Hitchens, this is now just plain pique.

    The basis for morality is human empathy.

    • Mark R.
      Posted August 13, 2017 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

      The basis for morality is human empathy.

      Yes, and it is also true that reading novels increases one’s empathy since a novel allows a reader to live and absorb another’s experiences. Suffice it to say I don’t think people like Kezzy read novels, or much else for that matter.

  10. Torbjörn Larsson
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Kezzy has learned one of the erroneous, old and tired “gotcha” strawmen that religionists have dreamed up to shore up their unevidenced beliefs and feel better about their own in-group.

    The proper response is of course Jerry’s. We note that, based on well tested observations, all of us feel the same – except about religion – since humans have evolved to have those same basic emotional and moral reactions. So if Kezzy accept observations – he notes that atheists in general are worried – he should change his tune.

    Except that a religionist does not worry about observation and evidence when it comes to his or her – even most religionists admit this – unfounded convictions.

  11. Roger
    Posted August 13, 2017 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Excellent theological proof, but he forgot the “ergo Jesus” part so we can’t be sure which god he just proved. “Missed it by that much.” –Maxwell Smart. Next time let us know which god you proved, Kezzie.

  12. wanstronian
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    What a twat.

  13. eedwardgrey69
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    I worry because this life is all I have. What the hell are Christians worrying over? You’re the one going to heaven anyway, aren’t you?

  14. wendell read
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    “Wow, look at all the worried atheists! You guys don’t believe in anything after death, so why are you so worried? What are you worried about?”

    My guess is that he is being somewhat sarcastic. In effect: “You atheists have your heads in the sand. From your point of view, you have nothing to worry about. When you are dead, that is the end of it! No so! You should be terrified because when you die you will actually have eternal life in Hell. Try to imagine the most painful torture that you can conceive of. What awaits you is inconceivably worse. For how long? FOREVER!!!! What are you worried about? It’s NOTHING compared to what you SHOULD be worried about.”

    Maybe I’m missing his point, but I don’t think so.

  15. CJColucci
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Funny, it was precisely when I was a believer, and believed that, at various times and after participating in various rituals, I was (briefly) assured eternal joy in the afterlife, that I thought the best thing that could happen to me was to be run over by a truck right after leaving a church service in a state of grace. I really did believe that, a rather morbid thing for an adolescent to believe, but it was the logical implication of everything I had been taught.

  16. eric
    Posted August 14, 2017 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    You guys don’t believe in anything after death, so why are you so worried?

    Uh…the before death part?

  17. Posted August 15, 2017 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Dying tends to be rather painful. Some deaths are relatively short and painless, but either way the idea of just simply not existing anymore isn’t a pleasant idea.

    • Wunold
      Posted August 15, 2017 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

      One common philosophical response to this is that you probably don’t mind that you didn’t exist before your birth, or that your personality isn’t now what it was decades ago, or won’t be decades in the future. Even in your lifetime, “you” didn’t exist all the time and won’t all the time up to your death if your remaining life is long enough.

      You also probably don’t mind that your consciousness is kind of switched off during your sleep, so “you” cease to exist every night, if only temporarily. But then, maybe “you” only last a day and another “you” wakes up tomorrow, who knows? (See this entertaining animation about The Trouble With Transporters for just under six minutes about this dilemma, jump to 4:41 if you want to skip the Trekkie stuff.)

      I’m with you insofar as for me the worst thing about death is not knowing how the history of mankind and the universe unfolds after I die. But I’m glad to live in these times where we know so much more about the universe than our ancestors that we can predict many things up to the cosmological scale.

      • Posted August 15, 2017 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

        I get what you’re saying and I think I agree. While I don’t know for certain (obviously), my best guess is when we die our consciousness will act similar to before we were born as you stated. So dead people really don’t care about being dead since they don’t have an active mind to care. However, as someone alive currently, I don’t like the idea of me not existing. When I say “me: in this context, I don’t mean my body. I mainly mean my consciousness, memories, and personality. Our memories is a large part of who we are and to lose those when we die is rather unattractive to me. If I could transfer my consciousness into a robotic body of some sort (including my memories) and lose my body, I really couldn’t care less what happens to my body after that.

        Does that make sense or did I just ramble incoherently?

        • Wunold
          Posted August 16, 2017 at 12:09 am | Permalink

          My immediate answer (comment 1516969) seems to have been blocked by WordPress (I wonder why). I’ll wait some more time if PCCE unblocks it before I risk a double posting. Stay tuned.

      • Posted August 15, 2017 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

        Also, yes not being able to see how this world progresses without you is quite disappointing.


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