Now I’M gonna get punched!

According to Wikipedia, Lexi Alexander is “a German film director who also works in television. She is a former World Karate Association world champion in karate-point fighting.  Alexander is well known for her advocacy for feminist issues in Hollywood.”  Is it really a surprise, then, that she’s this punch-happy?

I’m opposed to punching Richard Spencer, so Ms. Alexander apparently thinks that I (and many readers here) deserve a bop on the nose. Dave Rubin responds.

Just to show, though, that the Left has no absolute monopoly on this kind of threat, here’s an excerpt from an article at Politically Speaking:

Marquette County [Michigan] Republican Party official faced a storm of protest online after he wrote on Facebook that “another Kent State” might be the solution to recent campus protests.

Dan Adamini was, of course, referring to the 1970 massacre at Kent State University when Ohio National Guard members opened fire on anti-war protesters, killing four and wounding nine, including some bystanders.

Adamini, the former Marquette GOP chair, now the secretary of the party’s executive committee, wrote: “…I’m thinking another Kent State might be the only solution protest stopped after only one death. They do it because they know there are no consequences yet.”

In the present, he was referring specifically to the recent student protests that grew violent at the University of California Berkeley in response to a planned on-campus speech by Milo Yiannopoulous, a right-wing writer for Breitbart and a notorious online troll.

Adamini followed up with a tweet: “… Time for another Kent State perhaps. One bullet stops a lot of thuggery.”

After receiving a barrage of angry responses, Adamini took down the Twitter post and deactivated his personal Facebook account.

h/t: Cindy

120 Comments

  1. Tamethyst
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Surely the only time for punching nazis is during wartime.

    • yiamcross
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

      No, by then the time for punching is long past and you’re into the shooting and the bombing. Which is where Nazis want to be so if someone gives them an excuse to get there faster by punching them, they’re delighted.

  2. wendell read
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    When will people like Ms. Alexander realize that violence against extremists with vile ideas only encourages them, and energizes their followers.

    • Mark Joseph
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

      To a first approximation, the answer to your question is, “never”.

      • jeffery
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

        This fascist bitch simply does NOT get it, does she?

  3. Posted February 6, 2017 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    I still don’t know why they draw the line at a punch. Why not a kick in the head? A knee-capping? Castration? Trepanning? Both sexes? Young and old?

    Time to bring back the Rack, the Judas Cradle, the Wheel,dunking, boiling exposure, live burial and the Iron Maiden.

    Why not? All Nazis need is public humiliation. That’s the argument.

    • patrick
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

      I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition…

      • Sharon
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

        No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

        • Geoff Toscano
          Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

          Ha!

        • Dire Lobo
          Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

          Touche. A rare opportunity!

        • Mark Sturtevant
          Posted February 6, 2017 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

          NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: virtue signalling, spraying spittle on your monitor, an almost fanatical devotion to SJWs, and nice red uniforms – Oh damn!

          • HaggisForBrains
            Posted February 7, 2017 at 5:20 am | Permalink

            😀

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

      “Judas Cradle” – now there’s a name I don’t recognise. Oh, another Vlad-alike.
      Trepanning per se probably isn’t particularly painful. While the scalp bleeds like a fish (well, it would do, wouldn’t it?), from various score-draw encounters between me and rocks I know that it’s not particularly sensitive. For sure the scraping sensation of the skull being cut away would be pretty scary, but I doubt it’d be particularly painful.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

      What, no bastinado?

      • Mark Joseph
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

        Yeah, the classics just don’t get any respect these days… 😉

        • Doug
          Posted February 6, 2017 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

          Bring in . . .the comfy chair!

  4. John Taylor
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    You don’t have much to worry from a karate point fighter. They train to not hit hard. There are so many karate point fighting organizations that being the champion of one of these things isn’t a big deal.

    • eric
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

      The German government subsidizes its movie-making industry in order to encourage local industry – giving us such horrors as Uwe Boll movies. So it may be the case (though I certainly don’t know) that her director credit is about as valuable and meaningful as her karate credit.

      • Cindy
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

        I actually enjoyed her movie, The Punisher…

        Now Uwe Boll….Is another matter all together…

        • pck
          Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

          Punisher: Warzone is a fantastic comic book movie that treats its source material with exactly the amount of respect it deserves (read: none).

          • Cindy
            Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

            I like Ray Stevenson. He did an excellent job in the BBC/HBO series “Rome”

          • eric
            Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

            Good to know there isn’t another Uwe Boll out there. Or at least good to know she isn’t one. I’m happy to give her credit where it’s do; it sounds like she’s a good director.

    • Lee
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

      Agreed. Karate folks talk tough, but if they start swinging / kicking, just tackle them. They’re worthless on the ground.

      Looking at the world situation as a whole, I have to agree with the message of the movie title “There will be blood”. Pray (metaphorically, of course) it is only from the nose. I also pray (metaphorically and perhaps not-so) that people realize that in wartime at whatever level of violence, the greatest challenge is not to lose one’s own soul; not to become the thing we think we are fighting against. But this message is well enough documented in all of history that it shouldn’t require repeating, amiright?

      • Marta
        Posted February 7, 2017 at 10:52 am | Permalink

        “Karate folks talk tough, but if they start swinging / kicking, just tackle them. They’re worthless on the ground.”

        Eesh. Why pick on the karate folks? Most martial artists are “worthless on the ground”, unless their particular art includes grappling, which, you know, their art doesn’t. Also, too, there’s a distinction between fighters and martial artists, but unless you’re training at a reputable gym where you spend 99.9% of your time sparring in BJJ, Judo, Muay Thai or Krav Maga, for example, let’s approach this subject with a little more humility, shall we?

        • Posted February 7, 2017 at 11:48 am | Permalink

          And not to forget Jujitsu. The sport of Judo derived from Jujitsu.

  5. Randall Schenck
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    I thought Karate was all about defense? Did she take a different course?

    • eric
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

      Clearly more Cobra Kai than Miyagi.

    • Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

      You’re thinking of Aikido.

    • Larry
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

      Defense is one part of karate, but the actual practice and implementation is different depending on a particular school’s intention. Point karate is a sport, and these practitioners avoid full contact (and therefore is of limited use in real world self-defense) and grappling (again, making it of limited use in the real world). Full contact, street-oriented karate is a totally different story.

  6. Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    “We oppose people who use violence against those who disagree with them (fascists) by also using violence against people who disagree with us (also fascists).”

    When you’re on the left, the idiots are on the right. When you’re on the right, the idiots are on the left. When you’re in the middle, they’re everywhere!

    • Kevin
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

      The reality does feel daunting. It’s as if there can be no position one can take without being partially perceived as being aligned with someone else’s stupidity.

      I think the middle has evaporated.

      • Petrushka
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

        Just Damn. I went to liberal Quaker college, the kind that drew from Sidwell Friends. At the time, resistance meant anti-war vigils.

        Now I am a right-wing racist nazi.

      • Mark Joseph
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

        “Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
        Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
        The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
        The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
        The best lack all conviction, while the worst
        Are full of passionate intensity.”

        • Diana MacPherson
          Posted February 6, 2017 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

          I love TS Eliot.

          • Mark Joseph
            Posted February 6, 2017 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

            Hi Diana:

            Look this one up–it’s Yeats. I actually don’t know anything about TS Eliot. Hmm, should probably do something about that.

            • Diana MacPherson
              Posted February 7, 2017 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

              Oh for some reason I thought it was The Hollow Men. I think that’s because I first learned those two poems together and therefore forever mix them up. Look up The Hollow Men.

    • somer
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

      +1

  7. eric
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Adamini, the former Marquette GOP chair, now the secretary of the party’s executive committee, wrote: “…I’m thinking another Kent State might be the only solution protest stopped after only one death. They do it because they know there are no consequences yet.”

    My bold. In a sense, he’s absolutely right. Yes, many people speak freely in part because they know the government won’t try and kill or punish them for doing so. And that is a very, very good thing Mr. Adamini. We want there to be no Kent State-like consequences for voicing political opinion.

  8. Ken Kukec
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Might Ms. Alexander have intended this ironically?

    • Cindy
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think so.

      Here is the rest of her Twitter feed

      https://mobile.twitter.com/Lexialex

      She seems angry.

    • Mark Sturtevant
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

      It could reasonably be read that way, but I guess not.

  9. Frank Bath
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Can we punch back? Have street fights everywhere, Hell’s Angels, guns, retaliation attacks on children?

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

      Get ready for Hollister ’47 redux.

  10. Kevin
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    “They do it because they know there are no consequences”

    Let me rephrase that, they do it without knowing what the consequences are. Now the left have handed Trump and Milo a fantastic opportunity to point out the stupidity of the left’s actions.

    Here’s a lesson for the left: you are now in the domain of the lowest common denominator equal to the alt-right. You are making the rest of us walk as slowly as an agitated three year old in a temper tantrum at the grocery store because mom did not buy you marshmallows.

  11. garthdaisy
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    You know who deserves a good punch in the face is that Gandhi fella. He would so be against punching Spencer. Fuck that Nazi lover. #punchgandhiintheface

    • Cindy
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

      MLK would have opposed it too, which is rather ironic considering cthe fact that Ms Alexander retweeted a mural of MLK shushing Trump.

  12. Ken Kukec
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Any truth to the rumor she’s got one fist of iron, the other of steel?

  13. Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Wait…I don’t get it.

    Kent State was the defining moment when America lost its will to fight the Vietnam War, when the peace movement won and the country pretty much came to its senses.

    It’s like a Klansman saying that what we really need for whites to take back the country from the impure races…is another march on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, or maybe to bomb the 16th Street Church again. Napoleon to long for another Waterloo, or Caesar to eagerly anticipate the Ides of March?

    Somebody’s clearly confused, and I don’t think it’s just me….

    Cheers,

    b&

    • GBJames
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

      Wait… You’re expecting historical accuracy from a Republican politician?

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

        The only historical figures I’ve ever heard Trump refer to are Generals George Patton and Douglas MacArthur (and he seems to have never learned the lessons of them, let alone of Napoleon or Julius Caesar).

        I’d be a lot more comfortable if he’d cite Marshall or Bradley or Ike, instead.

  14. ploubere
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Yes, a compelling argument, punching someone in the face is an effective way to discredit his/her ideas. If only that worked.

    The argument I’ve encountered is that there is a class of speech, hate speech, that is beyond the bounds of free speech because it advocates violence against certain groups. And in fact inciting violence in a crowd is against the law.

    But enforcement of that law should remain in the hands of law enforcement and the courts. And Spencer wasn’t violating that law. So punching him was itself a violation of law. We either live by rule of law or we don’t. It’s too bad the puncher wasn’t arrested.

    • yiamcross
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

      I’m pretty sure that what she’s saying above can be nothing less than an incitement to violence. Without wishing to start a new fire, I’m certain that if someone had said that about a moslem activist people like her would be demanding they be taken away in handcuffs. If they’d said it in the UK they probably would have been in a cell somewhere by now.

  15. Alpha Neil
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    These people who think that violence will change peoples minds have a startling lack of self-awareness. So I think they need to go know themselves. Know themselves hard and fast. Afterward, they will have new perspective and they may even find that they walk different too.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

      Being on the receiving end of a kicking from a gang of Nazi thugs would also be an educational experience.
      I can’t say I’d recommend it, but it is definitely informative. An experience you probably don’t want to be repeated on you, and you might think twice about inflicting on someone else.

  16. Joseph Stans
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    When all you have in your toolbox, everything looks like a nail.

    • Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

      I’m guessing that none of these people have ever opened a toolbox.

      And they think a ‘workshop’ is where you do trust exercises.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

      Did you drop this Werkezeug?

      • Posted February 7, 2017 at 11:42 am | Permalink

        Unfortunately, they think it was this:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_I_Had_a_Rocket_Launcher

        • gravelinspector-Aidan
          Posted February 7, 2017 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

          Interestingly, this is very close in time to when the US Black Ops department were sending SAM rocket launchers to mujehedin in Afghanistan.
          Well, that worked out well. Didn’t it?
          Didn’t it?

          • Posted February 8, 2017 at 11:15 am | Permalink

            Might not be a coincidence, though I don’t know.

            I only know of the song through its reference in the _Marathon_ series of computer games.

  17. jpchgo
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    How is a tweet from some random filmmaker, who barely has a few tv episode directing credits, even noteworthy.

    Of course twitter has thousands, maybe millions, of people who tweet really stupid and offensive stuff.

    I don’t see how picking a comment of some random idiot spouting off says anything about “the intolerant” right or left.

    How can that even be compared to tweets from an actual party official.

    • Posted February 6, 2017 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

      Because it’s a pattern of behaviour over the last 2 weeks from people one might expect better of. E.g. Dan Arel, Bob from Brockley, Oz Katerji, James Bloodworth (who I think is a ruckist – apologies if he’s not). Some of the left has gone a bit bananas recently and lost all sense of irony. We’re living in the age of the Law of the Tendency of the Rate of Sanctimoniousness to Rise.

      E.g. Owen Jones of the Grauniad marching on Linda Sarsour’s DC March for Women and then whining, as is his wont, that he would not join an anti-Trump London march as it was organized by the Socialist Workers’ Party who condone rape within their organization (true). Owen would never march with promoters of rape culture: Sarsour, of course, being a Muslim ‘leftist’ could not possibly fit that description.

      You have to get your laughs where you can nowadays: but they’re all bittersweet.

      • Cindy
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

        Add Judd Apatow (famous director) and Sarah Silverman to the list of folks encouraging violent resistance + overthrow of the government:

        There was also an awards show in which one of the winners also encouraged violent resistance.
        “we will punch some people in the face…we will do it with soul with heart and with joy”

        • Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

          Ironically Judd Apatow was one of the Left’s scapegoats for Elliot Roger’s killing spree in Isla Vista just two years back:

          https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/may/27/seth-rogen-ann-hornaday-elliot-rodger-judd-apatow?client=safari

          Maybe they had a point.

        • jpchgo
          Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

          I get it. Lots of celebrities make stupid comments about stuff like violence and nuclear proliferation, etc.

          The thing is, only one of them is in the Oval Office. The rest aren’t even in office.

          I guess if some random German filmmaker or standup comic tweets it, some people take it as a position of the “left”.

          • Cindy
            Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

            Good point.

            I suspected all along that it was Trump who put on a black mask and pepper sprayed a woman in Berkely. That it was Trump who torched a limo to the tune of 100k in damage – a limo owned by a Muslim businessman. And it was Trump who rioted in Berkely, beating people with shovels and destroying local businesses.

            It’s not like illiberal leftists are engaging in violence at all and that violence is being supported in social media and even in papers such as The Guardian. In fact, I just watched a video produced by the Guardian in which punching those who disagree was recommended because it is ‘cathartic’ and that we must ‘jettison the narcissism of good behaviour’

            The last point about the narcissism of good behaviour is particularly worrying to me, as I am a Canadian, and good manners are very important to us.

            • jpchgo
              Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

              What are you saying? Because it wasn’t Trump who did those things, the “left” did those things and advocates those things? Nice false choice you set up there.

              I guess, if any violence in the vicinity of a protest means the people and causes are not worth listening to, that’s a mighty high standard.

              “People protesting Trump are the regressive left because there is violence near some protests.” “Environmentalists are wackos because some people are eco-terrorists.” “Atheists are evil because some are racist and some were Stalin and Mao.” Yep. Got it.

              • Cindy
                Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

                The regressive left *is* engaging in violence.

                The regressive left *is* praising it across social media and in major newspapers.

                *You* are the one who is playing a game of ‘Look! Squirrel!’ in an attempt to distract attention from this deplorable behaviour.

            • somer
              Posted February 6, 2017 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

              “The last point about the narcissism of good behaviour is particularly worrying to me, as I am a Canadian, and good manners are very important to us.” This section of the left seems to me to have a lot in common with Milo – flamboyantly rude, arrogant, oafish and self aggrandising

          • BJ
            Posted February 7, 2017 at 9:41 am | Permalink

            Hey, remember when these exact same people — when they were so sure of Hillary’s impending victory — were stressing the importance of a peaceful transfer of power because that’s what democracy is all about?

            I member.

            • Cindy
              Posted February 7, 2017 at 9:53 am | Permalink

              Yeah but, the violence this time is totes justified cuz like they were “provoked” by big meanies who commit violence such as “disagreement of opinion”

        • KD33
          Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

          Actually, Silverman came out strongly against the punching of Spencer. The must be … irony?

      • jpchgo
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

        “from people one might expect better of” Exactly my point.

        Nice rape non sequitur though!

      • somer
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

        Yes very disappointed on James Bloodworths response on free speech and Milo and an earlier article where he maintained there’s always been and always are “alternative facts” of the trumpist ilk put out by politicians everywhere, which is nonsense. As far as I can see he didn’t advocate violence though. Must be the earlier Trotskist influence. His heart’s in the right place on many things

    • Posted February 6, 2017 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

      You make it seem like she’s using a hand held on a street corner to direct. She was nominated for an Oscar you know.

      And if it were just her, she could rightfully be ignored but she’s representative of an entire body of leftist thought. And a jerk besides.

  18. Diana MacPherson
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    That’s okay. If I get punched, she gets sued and that’s because the civilized society I live in doesn’t allow one to punch others because one disagrees with others’ views.

    • Ann German
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

      Well, don’t forget the concept of “fighting words!” Might be a justified punch.

  19. Heather Hastie
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Stupid bi*ch. Ffs. Grow up and learn to think. The last thing we need is Nazis on the moral high ground, and that’s just what you’re giving them. Even if they fight back, you’re still worse because you’re the aggressor.

    It’s what we tell toddlers – use your words. Spencer is a fu*kwit whose arguments are easily undercut. You know how. And remember, men like him really hate women belittling them intellectually. It makes people notice how small their hands are. They’re such inadequate lovers, they think hand size makes a difference.

    As for the GOP politician, he’s just as bad.

    On Fox I’ve heard the authoritarian left being mocked for bringing punches to a gun fight, so Adamini isn’t unique.

    • jpchgo
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

      “Stupid bi*ch”. Nice. I see name-calling is becoming more acceptable here.

      • Cindy
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

        Heather is not Canadian.

        😛

        • Ann German
          Posted February 6, 2017 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

          Now, THAT’S going to far with the name-calling! It’s not her fault she’s not Canadian.

      • Heather Hastie
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

        Fair enough. i shouldn’t have done it.

        • Posted February 6, 2017 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

          I thought the ‘bi*ch’ quote was uncharacteristic, Heather.

          Still, I have a serious proposal. WEIT should hire a school playground and invite the All-Star Righteous Clockers of Nazi Scum for a good punch-up. Dan Arel and his co-slugger can use either fist. Given Gravel-Inspector Aidan’s familiarity with feudal torture implements and his apparent willingness to undergo trepanning for the team, I bagsy him as my tag-partner. I’d like a man like that on my side. Someone who won’t shy away from getting medieval on their asses, nor on his, by the sound of it.

          Samuel L. Jackson will be umpire. Cheerleaders to dance and sing, “Fight! Fight! Fight!” To the winners the Gold Medal in Moral High Ground.

          • Heather Hastie
            Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

            Ha ha!

            Sounds like the pictures a colleague of mine used to draw. At the time I was working at the NZ Labour Dept and he and I worked in a section that provided temporary jobs for people who were difficult to employ. Some had no interest in working unless they had a court date coming up (they were less likely to be sent to prison if they had a job) and were extremely difficult to deal with. He used to draw pictures that started with him pulling a lever that saw them going through a number of trials before being deposited on the footpath (sidewalk) 4 floors below.

            They were very funny but, of course, if anyone had ever seen them he would have been in enormous trouble!

            • Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

              Yeah, gallows humour in the workplace can be…risky, especially in the prison system.

        • yiamcross
          Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

          Too late now. You’ll never be truly Canadian.

          • Heather Hastie
            Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

            That’s alright. I’m still a NZer, and we’re too small for anyone to notice unless we’re making Hobbit movies or winning rugby games. 🙂

            • Cindy
              Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

              So you have finally admitted to being a NZe111111!!!!!!

            • Diana MacPherson
              Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

              Or John Oliver reports something weird about you.

              • Heather Hastie
                Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

                Yeah!, good point.

                But he’s British, and they sort of notice us because they think they might beat us at rugby one day. The US knows they never will, so it’s better not to acknowledge our existence. 🙂

              • Diana MacPherson
                Posted February 6, 2017 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

                As a Canadian I laugh that the US doesn’t notice because they don’t notice Canada and we are their biggest trading partner. This has resulted in many Canadian comedies mocking how excited Canadians get when US shows or actors mention Canada.

          • Diana MacPherson
            Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

            She just apologized! She must be secretly Canadian as we are known for apologizing.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

      Get used to it; these things flow from the top down. We’ve experienced a coarsening of public discourse since the first “Lyin’ Ted.”

  20. Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Those advocating punching Nazis live in a dream world where Nazis don’t punch back.

    Or shoot back.

    Who is more likely to be carrying a concealed weapon?

    • eric
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

      Perhaps its worth remembering that the well-trained face-punchers of the medieval world (in both the east and the west) resented firearms because they allowed the peasants to effectively punch back. Nazis are scum and the US has a gun violence problem, but frankly if I was getting face-punching threats from professional martial artists, I’d consider that a reasonable justification for carrying a firearm in self-defense.

      • Cindy
        Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

        I also remember learning that the ‘ninja’ class evolved precisely because farmers and peasants were not permitted to own weapons, lest they rise up against the ruling classes. So, they used what they what was handy, and this is why nunucks, for example, exist.

        Cool stuff.

        • gravelinspector-Aidan
          Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

          Nunchuks (however you transliterate it) being agricultural tools – i.e. rice flails.
          Then again, an awful lot of weapons before the invention of firearms were (more, or less) modified agricultural tools. Spend a couple of days doing – for example – hedge laying and you’ll have a proficiency with hatchets and billhooks and the like that would make a mess of a room ful of people who pissed you off.
          The great leveller before firearms was the bow and bodkin point. Hence, allegedly, the contempt behind the “two fingered salute”.

          • Cindy
            Posted February 6, 2017 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

            Ninjas are pretty cool when they go on parade:

            http://www.theonion.com/video/ninja-parade-slips-through-town-unnoticed-once-aga-14181

            • gravelinspector-Aidan
              Posted February 6, 2017 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

              The point isn’t cool ninjas – it’s cool ninja targets. They were originally assassins (if they really existed). A tool is a good tool in proportion to how well it does it’s job.

          • Posted February 6, 2017 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

            Swords have generally been for owned only by the rich, or by professional fighters.

            Which makes me wonder why at least two of the disciples carried them.

            • gravelinspector-Aidan
              Posted February 6, 2017 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

              There has been a flurry of programmes recently on the “body under the car park” a.k.a. Richard the Thurd including the coincidence of finding a person with a very similar degree of scoliosis to the “body in bay 4b”. This person was put through a significant degree of weapons training using tools and training manuals from the 15th century, and did surprisingly well. That was training with axe (modified woodsman’s tool), mace (modified grain flail), lance (well, it’s a pole with a point) and sword – which was the only killing tool in his tool chest without clear agricultural precedents.
              Incidentally, the trainee was – purely coincidentally – a hobbyist “re-enactor”. But after his “elevation to the nobility,” he had to put aside his weapon of choice, a longbow. The great leveller.

          • Walt Jones
            Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

            Plowshares into swords, I guess.

            • Posted February 7, 2017 at 11:52 am | Permalink

              “He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.”

            • gravelinspector-Aidan
              Posted February 7, 2017 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

              The village blacksmith knew where to put steel (on the cutting edge of the ploughshare) and where to put compression-strong iron …
              I tried cutting up a bed frame of 1950s vintage using a hand hacksaw once. I know thee difference in toughness between “mild steel” and “recycled battleship armour” in a very visceral way.
              File under “won’t do that again.”

    • jpchgo
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

      Not Richard Spencer, if recent history is any indication.

  21. Craw
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Eventually we will converge on the simplest rule: anyone can punch anyone.

    • DrBrydon
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

      I believe Mr. Hobbes wrote a book about that. Eventually it devolves into society.

  22. Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    I’m not afraid of karate enthusiasts because (a) I’m not a helpless house brick, and (b) I can walk away before they change into their pyjamas.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

      Surely the optimal solution is to kick them in the most painful place you can reach once they’ve taken the aggressive step of reaching for (or even struggling into) their pyjamas.

  23. DrBrydon
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Clearly, punching doesn’t solve anything. The only way to get rid of those we don’t agree with, and those lily-liver’d enough to protect them, is to shoot them all. Only by the elimination of those who oppose us on major principles can we get to the point where we can begin eliminating those who disagree with us on the little things. This will also benefit the environment by dramatically reducing world population, eliminating capitalism, and leaving the righteous living along on small subsistence farms. This woman clearly is a right-deviationist. (/sarcasm)

  24. Posted February 6, 2017 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    I don’t believe that violence is a good solution. Therefore It’s not useful to advocate violence for any reason. Understanding the casual nature of reality coupled with genes, human nature, circumstances, it’s understandable that some are caused to be violent and others caused to seek revenge in retaliation. But what does this achieve? Only perpetuates the cycle of violence and ultimately war, suffering, pain, loss of life. Looking forward we need to continue to aspire towards our highest ideals in context to the nature of reality.

    For example, no one likes sex offenders. But does this mean that we should do our best to make them suffer, their them to the dogs? No. We need to understand that they are likely conditioned that way, have little chance of recovery, and therefore we need to go about protecting children from harm in a logical and peaceful way. These people may need to be incarcerated indefinitely in order to protect children from harm, there may be other ways that we can change their nature through epi genetics. But allowing ourselves to become savages seeking blood is not the answer.

  25. Posted February 6, 2017 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    So a German woman wants to punch Jews, does she?

    Again?

  26. tubby
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Aww, Mr. Dan Adamini seems to have deleted his Twitter account. It was a rare opportunity to find out if he really understood that he was saying that he wants to execute college students in order to silence opposition.

  27. Bernardo
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    There’s actually a documentary called one punch homicide about how a punch could be fatal

  28. Torbjörn Larsson
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    I think it is the first time I have been threatened by violence on the web.

    I suppose it is my duty to report to the police, but considering Lexi seems unhinged it seems appropriate to wait this one out. 😉

    • Posted February 6, 2017 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

      I think it is the first time I have been threatened by violence on the web.

      You mustn’t be trying hard. If I don’t get at least one death threat a week I consider myself a slacker.

  29. jrhs
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    I think Ms. ALexander has taken enough “punches” here. Now I kinda feel bad for her.

  30. dd
    Posted February 6, 2017 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Dr. Coyne, Ain’t cha a Arvard alumnus?

    “Free Speech, Not Hate Speech
    Universities must not grant figures such as Milo Yiannopoulos a platform to espouse their hateful and unsubstantiated claims. ”

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/2/6/berkeley-free-speech/

  31. J. Quinton
    Posted February 7, 2017 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    There’s a saying I heard elsewhere. It was in response to either Christians lying for Jesus or some other related logical fail, but it goes like this:

    “If someone tells you that their cause is so just that lying for it is justified, assume they’re lying”.

    In other words, horrible means to an end are usually self-defeating due to self-recursion without some sort of special pleading.

    Similarly, in this situation, if someone thinks that holding deplorable views is a punchable offense, assume they want to be punched (punching someone for having terrible beliefs is itself a terrible belief to have, therefore…).

    It’s best to come up with ethical systems that aren’t self-cannibalizing.

  32. Posted February 7, 2017 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    I’m wondering how much I’ll have to contribute in order to get myself selected to head the cabinet position of Secretary of Who Gets Puched if the regressive left takes over?


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