Trump puts evolution-denier Ben Carson in his Cabinet!

According to CNN, Donald Trump has tapped former neurosurgeon and present-day creationist, Seventh-Day Adventist, believer in Satan, global-warming denialist, and flat-out abortion opponent (including in cases of rape or incest) Ben Carson to be his Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.  His job? to “oversee federal public housing programs and helps formulate policy on homelessness and housing discrimination.”

Carson may have been a good neurosurgeon, but has no qualifications for such a job.  Plus he’s a creationist! I always worry that people who reject evolution—a mandate of Carson’s religion—won’t accept other facts they don’t like, either.

Well, this is in line with Trump’s other disasterious picks. My advice for Carson? Something he should know as a doctor: “First, do no harm.”

By the way, has Trump ever made any statements about whether he accepts evolution?

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Carson on creationism:

I believe the Bible. I do believe it is the word of God. I do believe he created heavens and earth. It says in Genesis 1, in the beginning God created heaven and earth. Period. We don’t know how long that period is before he started the rest of creation. It could be a minute. It could be a trillion years. We don’t know. I have never stated that I have an understanding of how old the earth is. That’s something that a lot of people will ascribe to me. [JAC: Jebus, the data are there for all to see!]

Organisms, animals have the ability to adapt to their environment. But the evolutionists say that’s proof positive that evolution occurs.

I say it is evidence of an intelligent God who gave his creatures the ability to adapt to its environment so he wouldn’t have to start over every 50 years.

I’ll leave this here for your enjoyment (or chagrin); notes are from Gawker:

  • 0:37 — Humans have big frontal lobes because we, alone, were created in the image of God, who also has a pretty big frontal lobe, you know
  • 3:30 — Those who believe in evolution will have less guilt about being cannibals, should the situation arise
  • 4:00 — Evolution is scientific political correctness, Mr. Darwin, you Social Justice Warrior
  • 11:20 — “Extrapulations”
  • 24:20 — No one has ever demonstrated one species changing to another species, so unless you’ve found the fossilized remains of the elusive Lizard Man, you can keep your bogus “evolution”

And Carson on the Big Bang, which he also questions:

[Carson] also dismissed the Big Bang, calling it a “fairy tale.” The irony of this is palpable. When recently called on this claim, he dug in, saying (about people who think the Big Bang is true), “Here’s the key, I then say to them look, ‘I’m not gonna criticize you, you have a lot more faith then I have.’ I couldn’t, I don’t have enough faith to believe that.”

79 Comments

  1. allison
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 7:00 am | Permalink

    I would assume that Mike Pence is also a creationist.

    • rickflick
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 7:55 am | Permalink

      I think we need a survey. What percent of cabinet heads under Trump are deniers of any or all: evolution, global warming, big bang, vaccines.

      • Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

        Just when I believed those who preached that the Big Bang theory proved how true the Genesis was!

    • colnago80
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 8:09 am | Permalink

      It is my information that Pence is a YEC. In addition, he’s anti-vax and claims that cigarette smoking is not a cause of lung cancer. In other words he’s raving bonkers.

      • dabertini
        Posted December 5, 2016 at 9:33 am | Permalink

        If he is raving bonkers, then he makes an appropriate VEEP for Trump.

        • Posted December 5, 2016 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

          Yeah, but what if Trump dies or resigns? Pence would probably be even worse.

          • ploubere
            Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

            A general rule in picking a veep is to make sure he/she is bad enough that people would hesitate to impeach or assassinate you. Picking Pence may have been the only smart move Trump made.

            • jeffery
              Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

              I disagree: I think the plan is to get Trump in, then get rid of him through impeachment or an “accident” (how convenient, if they could blame an assassination on a left-winger- it would be the alt-right’s own “Reichstag fire”), leaving Mike, a Tea Party robot, who is a lot more “manageable” holding the reins of power.

            • Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

              + 1. I have seen similar veep choices in other countries.

            • Ken Kukec
              Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

              The “Agnew gambit,” first employed by Dick Nixon — or perhaps first employed avant la lettre by Dwight Eisenhower by picking Dick Nixon.

  2. ToddP
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    No one has ever demonstrated one species changing to another species, so unless you’ve found the fossilized remains of the elusive Lizard Man, you can keep your bogus “evolution”

    No one has ever demonstrated one god actually existing, so unless you’ve found the irrefutable proof of the invisible Jesus Man, you can keep your bogus “religion”.

  3. Posted December 5, 2016 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    Reblogged this on The Logical Place.

  4. Posted December 5, 2016 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    Here is a video of Caron debating evolution with Richard dawkins and Dan Dennett (apologies to my brain for forcing it to type those last two names in the sentence as Carson). Francis Collins is also there, on Carson’s side.

    • jeremy pereira
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

      Your brain beat you. You typed “Caron” in the same sentence as Dawkins and Dennett.

  5. BobTerrace
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    As the head of HUD, Carson will spearhead projects all over the US to create pyramid shaped buildings to store grain. He will be responsible for resurrecting the golden age of Egypt.

    • Posted December 5, 2016 at 8:20 am | Permalink

      Mummy!

      /@

    • eric
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 10:39 am | Permalink

      Yes, I was hoping someone would bring this up. There’s hopefully lots of good political catoonery in the future built on the HUD Secretary/pyramid grain silo connection.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 11:30 am | Permalink

      He will be responsible for resurrecting the golden age of Egypt.

      He might try – isn’t it a requirement for the 20th century Doctrine of The Rapture to come true? – but it’s unlikely to succeed. And then he’ll blame his God’s failure on being overpowered by the (mostly) Muslim people of Egypt.
      Strange the way that a god can be omnipotent until they meet disbelievers, or people who believe in a different false god.

      • Posted December 5, 2016 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

        “And the LORD was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill country, but he could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain because they had chariots of iron …”

        • gravelinspector-Aidan
          Posted December 5, 2016 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

          Chariots of iron? With a maximum of 4 horsepower out front? [Shakes in shoes- NOT]

          • Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

            Maybe the LORD was still stuck with bronze, and the wheel was too much of rocket science. The quote is hilarious! I know that I must someday find time to read all of the Bible.

            • gravelinspector-Aidan
              Posted December 5, 2016 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

              I almost imagine the man in the wood-with-bronze-fittings chariot drawing up to the traffic … ummm, candles … in downtown Babylon next to the man in iron chariot. They exchange sideways glances. Grip their buggy whips, waiting for the assegai-man to throw the copper salts into the flame. Rev the horses with a little touch on the flanks. Grip the reins (*) tight. Rev the horses again. And we’re off … [Strumming music on the bass lyre]
              Someone must have done a F1-with horses cartoon. Must have.
              (*) I was walking down the street last week and burst into laughter. A shop had paid $LOTS for a sign-writer to cover part of the wall of the shop with their 20-year history, including when the current owner took over the [quote]reigns of power[unquote]. I nearly pissed myself laughing.

              • Posted December 5, 2016 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

                I think David Mitchell (of QI and “and Webb” fame) has it right. Sign-writers have two tiers of service: Basic, for which they create the signs exactly as the customer asked for, and the more expensive premium, for which they will actually copyedit what the customer asked for.

                /@

              • gravelinspector-Aidan
                Posted December 5, 2016 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

                On the subject of sign writing, the “Dark Ages” programme I’m watching before I go to bed has got onto the Lindisfarne Gospels (unsurprisingly), and I think naturally of the Illuminated Darwin Project. Hmmm, Kelly hasn’t updated this year’s activities yet.

    • barn owl
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

      No doubt there will be plenty of cartouchebaggery in store.

  6. Ken Kukec
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    The clueless appointing the benighted to the soon-to-be feckless.

  7. Posted December 5, 2016 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Has he appointed anyone so far, who we know isn’t an evolution-denier? That would be bigger news.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 11:33 am | Permalink

      Not being up to date on foreign politics, but isn’t the outgoing US Energy secretary some unqualified bozo (only one Nobel prize to his name – not a degree mill in sight). Has Trump appointed anyone with a first degree from Trump University yet?

      • Filippo
        Posted December 5, 2016 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

        I wonder how many will be from Liberty University.

  8. Randall Schenck
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Just one more of the Trump parade that holds to the truth – A horse that has never been ridden and a guy who has never ridden a horse. What could go wrong? When looking for a president I always say – why not a guy who knows how to bankrupt casinos and commit various other frauds.

    • jeffery
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

      I’ve been telling the people who say they voted for Trump because he was NOT a politician is like having your roof worked on by a roofing contractor: when they’re done and gone, and the roof still leaks, you say, “I think I’ll go and find someone who has absolutely no experience at roofing- HE’LL be able to take a ‘fresh look’ at this, and fix it!”

  9. Ken Kukec
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Appointing a minority to HUD is as stereotypical as casting one to play Othello.

    Hell, Dutch Reagan once mistook his own HUD secretary, Samuel Pierce, for an urban mayor (since, hey, they all kinda look alike, right?) In fairness to the Gipper everyone kinda looked alike to him, regardless of race, especially by his second term).

    • Taz
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 8:28 am | Permalink

      His ambassador to black people.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 11:36 am | Permalink

      Appointing a minority to HUD is as stereotypical as casting one to play Othello.

      I’m just waiting to see the casting choices of the Lagos Shakespeare Company.

      • Filippo
        Posted December 5, 2016 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

        Will “The Merchant of Venice” be represented? This is sure to be a “Tempest”uous administration.

        • Ken Kukec
          Posted December 5, 2016 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

          Yeah, Steve Bannon’s working on casting Shylock.

  10. Posted December 5, 2016 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Carson took the hypocritical oath instead.

    He’ll introduce creationist emergency shelters for the impecunious after Paul Ryan decimates the safety net.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 9:01 am | Permalink

      As long as the Donald doesn’t turn to him, a la George W. Bush, and say “you’re doin’ a heck of a job, Brownie.”

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 11:38 am | Permalink

      He’ll introduce creationist emergency shelters

      Arks.

      • Merilee
        Posted December 5, 2016 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

        Arks
        +1
        Can’t wait to hear Trevor Noah’s take on this appt.

  11. Sastra
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Donald Trump appears to be a classic bullshitter, meaning that it’s not only hard to tell where he stands, but it’s also hard to tell whether he’s lying or not.

    A liar is concerned with the truth enough to be able to concoct a lie in the opposite direction — and deceive people. A bullshitter doesn’t even rise to that level. ‘Truth’ and ‘falsehood’ are flexible concepts. They’re less important than some other agenda.

    In Trump’s case, his real agenda’s probably a combination of power and praise. He will throw out anything which appeals to the emotions of whoever it is he’s trying to impress, assuming from his experience that people who admire him will then follow his lead. Does he believe it when he says it?

    Maybe, if you place scare quotes around “believe.” There’s not a lot of deliberation going on. If Trump comes out against evolution — or for it, or for “equal treatment” — the likelihood is that he’s not going to make an argument or bring up his reasons why. Not even bad arguments and reasons, like Carson.

    Instead, it will be something superficial like “Boy, that X really is something, isn’t it? I don’t get why people believe it. Bad, just bad. We don’t want to go there, we don’t. No. The ~X, though — that’s terrific. Really great.”

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 9:24 am | Permalink

      Trump isn’t just a “classic” bullshitter; he’s a yooge bullshitter, the greatest; nobody bullshits bigger than Trump; he will bullshit the shit outta ’em.

      For decades the Donald has been widely considered the biggest bullshitter in Manhattan, from Battery Park to Washington Heights — and that, my friends, is really sayin’ something.

    • docbill1351
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 10:44 am | Permalink

      This is very true. Trump is a classic bullshitter in line with the definitions set out by Harry Frankfurt in his book “On Bullshit.”

      However, worse, far worse, are the “media” reporters, commentators and pundits who let it slide, give Trump a pass and enable the false equivalence of bullshit and truth to persist. Now, the bullshit is institutionalized.

      And even far, far, far worse than that will be Trump trying to bullshit foreign governments whose standards are not a low as ours. Loss in credibility is going to cost us.

    • Posted December 5, 2016 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

      Even his recent attempt at a big man word (he said ‘euphenism’)smacks of BS.

  12. Merilee
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Aaaarrrrrggggghhhh

  13. Brad Mallard
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    Interesting link to a cardiologist who says that it is time for atheist doctors to come out of the closet:

    http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2016/12/atheist-doctors-must-come-closet.html

  14. Posted December 5, 2016 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Drumpfenfuhrer’s HUD candidate is living testimony, for all who aren’t too blind to see, just how much Herr D. loves poor people. Just like his Sec. of Ed candidate, Devos, he’s confident that these candidates have the perfectly honed skills to fix everything, quickly, ’cause they’re the greatest candidates ever chosen in modern times, by the greatest prez-elect of all times.

    We are freakin’ doomed.

  15. Mark Sturtevant
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    That Trump, can you believe him? I mean he used to be terrific, I mean terrific, a really terrific guy. But now he is such a joke who surrounds himself with morons so he can look smart. A fat slob with bad hair and small, small hands.
    Sad.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 11:46 am | Permalink

      A fat slob with bad hair and small, small hands.

      Surely Small-Hands Donnie would be naturally well endowed to learn to perform neurosurgery on the rest of his cabinet, to improve their performance.
      What, in utter seriousness, could possibly go wrong?

  16. Mobius
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Carson may have been a brilliant surgeon, but he seems to be extremely ignorant on every other subject I’ve heard him talk about. But then, Trump doesn’t seem to know much of anything about anything and may not realize how incompetent Carson will be as head of Housing and Urban Development.

    • ploubere
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

      Trump will not care in the least whether HUD does a good job. In fact, he’ll probably prefer they do nothing.

  17. Reginald Selkirk
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Carson may have been a good neurosurgeon, but has no qualifications for such a job. Plus he’s a creationist! I always worry that people who reject evolution—a mandate of Carson’s religion—won’t accept other facts they don’t like, either.

    You seem to be saying that Creationists are unfit for almost any form of employment. And yet, in the context of going after college instructors who teach creationism, you used to insist that trying to get them fired was generally a mistake. How do yo square all this?

    • ploubere
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

      I don’t know how you got to those conclusions from what Jerry said. There are plenty of jobs that don’t require critical thinking—pizza delivery, busboy, etc. But cabinet member is not one of those.

      As for college instructors, he said they shouldn’t be fired so long as they stopped teaching creationism as science. That seems fair.

    • compuholio
      Posted December 6, 2016 at 5:12 am | Permalink

      The difference is “academic freedom”. As a professor you should have the freedom to teach controversial or less accepted concepts. Of course I would expect from a professor to be responsible enough to make it clear to the students that what he is teaching is not accepted by the academic community.

      However, while hiring new professors, the university should definitely look into whether the candidate is a crackpot.

      And I definitely agree. If I had to have surgery and had a choice between two equally qualified surgeons, but one of them is known to hold crackpot theories. I would not choose the crackpot.

      • Reginald Selkirk
        Posted December 6, 2016 at 8:21 am | Permalink

        The difference is “academic freedom”. As a professor you should have the freedom to teach controversial or less accepted concepts.

        This is completely not in line with Coyne’s stated position on academic freedom. He believes it applies to research, not to teaching. The department owns the curriculum. See the case of Eric Hedin at Ball State for example.

  18. mrclaw69
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Well, Pence his VP is a flat-out evolution denier. See for instance:

    Trump doesn’t care about the truth (as Sastra correctly pointed out in that rather wonderful explanation of the difference between a liar and a bullsh*tter).

    In fact, as many have pointed out, it’s kinda impossible to know what Trump *really* beleives about anything.

    I certainly doubt – if his backers are pretty exclusively evolution-deniers – that it’s in his interest to proclaim the facts about the matter. Better for him to court the populist sentiment mouth the words they want to hear….

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 11:49 am | Permalink

      In fact, as many have pointed out, it’s kinda impossible to know what Trump *really* beleives about anything.

      I think it is pretty clear that Micromanus trumpii is really strong on not being held to his previous statements.

  19. Posted December 5, 2016 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Trump has made Ben Carson, a magical-thinking authoritarian, replete. For the moment, that is. Pile those suckers high, President-elect. High enough so when they fall down in a hot mess very few will be focusing on what an insignificant, trivial arse you are.

  20. Kirk
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Not all scientists and engineers like myself belief in the narrow minded view of evolution. If evolution was true you’d be able to see all intermediate steps between apes and humans or any other of the so called missing links in life today. What? No evolving ape men today? Maybe you think aliens came and took them all away…. What a farce evolution is. You have to have blinders on to believe the nonsense. Go become a microbiologist and maybe you’ll begin to see how infinitely complex life really is.

    • Posted December 5, 2016 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

      Well, I could ban you for being rude to the host, but it’s easier to ban you for being ignorant. We do in fact see many intermediate steps between our ANCESTORS with the modern apes (we are apes, by the way), and my book, Why Evolution is True, documents many fossil intermediates: not only in humans, but in reptiles evolving into birds, fish evolving into whales, terrestrial artiodactyls evolving into whales, and so on.

      So, Mr. Creationist, I suggest you go over to the Discovery Institute website to broadcast your embarrassing ignorance.

    • ploubere
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

      If you have convincing evidence contradicting evolution, get it published and collect your Nobel. We’ll accept it then. But for the time being, the overwhelming majority of the scientific community accepts the overwhelming evidence for evolution. Facts don’t care what you wish were true.

    • Posted December 5, 2016 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

      Is this sarcasm?

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

      Kirk … Cameron … is that you?

      Still living off the residuals from “Growing Pains”?

      Do the banana bit for us … please.

    • Richard
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

      “engineers like myself”

      Is this another point for the ‘Salem hypothesis’, which seems to afflict American engineers?

      • Posted December 9, 2016 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

        Engineers tend to reflect the background population pretty closely. Which in the US means lots of religion, including creationism. Many engineers are very good compartmentalizing their brains.

    • Filipo
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

      I not unreasonably infer that you are an engineer, inasmuch as it is not rare to hear of engineers (their work involving design) saying that – on account of they themselves being engineers – they see “Design” in nature.

      I reasonably gather that engineers don’t go back and over and over conduct experiments and evaluate scientific evidence scientists have produced and on which engineers base their designs. Is it that engineers for all practical purposes take for granted the efficacy of the science – and scientific theories – on which engineering design is based?

      You appear to be omniscient to such a degree as to rival a Carson or even a Trump. Feel free to evaluate for us the design efficacy of nipples on males, and that of the recurrent laryngeal nerve. And how about those comparatively small bones in the hindquarters of whales apparently not attached to much of anything?

  21. Posted December 5, 2016 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    This just in: Outlawing racial discrimination in housing is “communist,” according to Ben Carson.

    Ben “McCarthy” Carson.

    • Posted December 5, 2016 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

      The civil rights movement of the 1960s called. They’ve heard *that* slur before.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

      Start the countdown until the far right starts carping about commie ties of A. Philip Randolph again.

  22. Heather Hastie
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    This is an example of how Trump’s mind works. He thinks inner cities are a black problem, so he puts an African American in charge. And Ben Carson must know what to do because he was the only GOP primary candidate to visit the inner city.

    Ben Carson has only ever shown an ability to learn what others tell him. Any ability he may once have had for innovation has been destroyed by the brainwashing of his religion. He could innovate with brain surgery because his base information was accurate. Outside that, he’s screwed.

    Trump criticized Jeb for being low energy, but he’s a veritable fire cracker compared to Carson. (Pun not intended.)

    I can see a disaster looming. I suspect the department will be full of massive amounts of fraud, all going on right under Carson’s nose without him being aware of it. When the Washington Post or NYT exposes it, he’ll jump at the chance to resign, earning plaudits from all. He knows he’s not up to this job, but I suspect he’s been bullied into it. Trump won’t let him say know.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

      A month ago, Carson conceded he was unqualified to run a federal agency, inasmuch as he had no governmental experience whatever. Guess being abjectly unqualified is all the qualification needed to join the Trump administration — or to run for president yourself.

      • Heather Hastie
        Posted December 5, 2016 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

        Yeah, I tweeted or Facebooked a cartoon about it at the time. Something like “thinks he’s not being qualified to run a federal agency, but is qualified to run for president.”

        • Ken Kukec
          Posted December 5, 2016 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

          Yeah, Doc Carson’s “I’m unqualified” was the slyest pitch for public office since Calvin Coolidge’s “I do not choose to run.”

  23. Kevin
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    It is not surprising young people have given up on democracy.

    Politics has removed all trace of respectable role model from its participants.

    • ploubere
      Posted December 5, 2016 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

      We can only hope that the impending disaster will make them realize how important democracy is.

  24. JonLynnHarvey
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    One of the lesser malfeasances (I avoid the word “sin”) of 7th day Adventism is its repeated claim that the Catholic church renumbered the 10 commandments to create an excuse to worship saints. This has been debunked dozens of times (including by I believe Alan Dershowitz[!!] in his book on the 10 Cs), but still remains the official teaching of the 7DAs.

  25. zytigon
    Posted December 11, 2016 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    How come an all knowing god of intelligent design would have put nitrogen fixing bacteria in the sugar cane plant yet not in all the other plants we use as food crops ?

    Azotic Technologies claim they have succeeded in trials with many crops using- NPN4- Natural Plant Nutrition Nitrogen fixation technology. The bacteria can enter through the roots and move up into the stem and leaves to eat some of the plant’s sugars and leave usable nitrates which aid plant growth.

    If this becomes commercial it will be another thing we can ask why the priests never knew of it, why no revelations about it from them?

    It was developed in cooperation with Ontario Agri-Food technology.
    See Youtube Azotic Technologies channel Dec 4th 2014 watch?v=HNslJ87hGFQ


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