More osculation of religion in National Geographic

 

I’ve noted that, over time, National Geographic has gotten more and more fond of religious topics, and is actually sympathetic to faith. I’ll put the cover of this December’s issue here and move on, as I haven’t read any articles (it’s not online, and I’m sure as hell not going to buy it). But it doesn’t look propitious. . .

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Here’s their page of news about the issue:

h/t: Jerry M.

57 Comments

  1. Eli Siegel
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    It is now owned by the Murdochs. These types of stories are expected.

  2. robkraft
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    I was also concerned when I saw people report this cover. But I read the article and most is over-exaggeration. The article is really about the placebo affect. I wish they would have used a different caption for the title, but they are trying to create interest and get people to buy. I am watching National Geographic closely in case I need to cancel my subscription, but I think this article is full of truth. Not much to complain about except for the title.

    • Posted November 30, 2016 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

      I said I hadn’t read it. But then why the religious image on the cover, and why the distinction between placebo effect, faith, and ritual if it’s ALL placebo effect? Further, if this is the article at issue, it’s touting as placebos all kinds of shamans, native healing, and other stuff. You do realize that even if those things have a placebo effect, they may also deter people from seeking better (i.e. scientific) medical care.

      Here’s a bit of credulous, noncritical reporting:

      Nowhere is the power of group belief more evident than in religious pilgrimages—whether it’s the annual Catholic trek to Lourdes, in France, the annual hajj pilgrimage of Muslims to Mecca, in Saudi Arabia, or, largest of all, the Maha Kumbh Mela, occurring every 12 years. The latest Kumbh Mela, in February 2013, drew an estimated 70 million Hindus to the Indian city of Allahabad.

      Or the pilgrimage to Altötting where I met Richard Mödl. The first documented healing in Altötting was in 1489, when a drowned boy was said to have been miraculously brought back to life. Today the Black Madonna there attracts about a million visitors a year.

      And here’s the final paragraph of that piece:

      When we arrived in the Chapel of Grace, we found it covered inside and out with ex-votos—pictures representing miracles spanning hundreds of years and showing every imaginable ailment. Propped against the walls were crutches and canes left behind through the ages by parishioners and pilgrims whose suffering was relieved by the Black Madonna. The expectation of healing continues unabated.

      “There is a different way of thinking here,” said Thomas Zauner, a psychotherapist and deacon who had moved to Altötting in order to seek a supportive community for his developmentally disabled child. “Prayer seems to actually work.”

      You don’t see any problems with that? The only test of intecessory prayer that was done properly showed no effect.

      I do. That, and the cover picture and title, are duplicitous and enable the concept of “faith” as a religious vehicle.

      Sorry, but I have no truck with duplicitous captions and illustrations, especially for a science-and-nature oriented magazine.

      • robkraft
        Posted December 1, 2016 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

        My summation of the article is this: “We can all be conditioned, just like Pavlov’s dog, to salivate in response to the sound of a bell. When we do something we believe will cure us, such as visiting the shaman, saying a prayer, or breaking a mirror; our brain may actually signal our body to produce chemicals that help us; the same chemicals that a pill would induce. I’m sure the article highlights religious beliefs because they are more prevalent in our society. I agree that the cover is deceptive, and that is unfortunate. I also feel that this issue diminishes the credibility of Nat Geo as a magazine of science, but Nat Geo has never been as rigorous as journals when telling stories.”

      • Posted December 1, 2016 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

        “You do realize that even if those things have a placebo effect, they may also deter people from seeking better (i.e. scientific) medical care”

        Oh for goodness sake, don’t be so patronsing! People can make their own decisions. It’s only an issue if they neglect medical treatment for dependents like children.

    • Posted November 30, 2016 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

      “Not much to complain about except for the title.”

      The title, and cover photo are all most people are ever going to know about the story when they notice it on the rack.

      • Kevin
        Posted November 30, 2016 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

        Agreed. Title and Cover. That’s enough to complain about.

        In science, there’s an enormous benefit to fellow scientists to provide a reasonable title, one that reflects the integrity of the paper. When the title is misleading, that’s not only deceptive but often harmful.

        • Posted December 1, 2016 at 11:48 am | Permalink

          And the title and cover displaced the possible title and cover to illustrate one of the other articles. I see what could be a timely article on young Russians and Putin, for example.

    • Posted November 30, 2016 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

      So faith is nothing more than a little sugar pill. Knew it.

      • Kevin
        Posted November 30, 2016 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

        That’s right. God is a Skittle. Except you don’t have to pray to Skittles unless you want to and I would never hold it against anyone who did.

      • jeffery
        Posted November 30, 2016 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

        Back in the 50s and early 60s my mother worked evenings as a “doctor’s assistant” for the first female doctor in our town (she would be busy at the hospital all day, then see patients at her office until well into the evening!). Occasionally, they’d get a “regular” in; a patient with vague, chronic symptoms and unidentifiable “disorders” who weren’t satisfied until they left with a pill for what “ailed” them. The doctor kept several large glass jars in the back room full of different colored sugar pills just for these people, and God help you if you gave them the “wrong” color: “No, doctor, I have to have the GREEN ones; those yellow ones you gave me last month didn’t do any good at all!”

        • Posted November 30, 2016 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

          Ha ha. The different color pills are like the different religions. All are equally worthless, but for believers only the “right one” will do.

          • Posted December 1, 2016 at 12:04 am | Permalink

            I agree with you, religions are placebos… for those who need it in order to connect with God.

            • Posted December 1, 2016 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

              They might think they have a connection but it is really an open circuit.

          • ichneumonid
            Posted December 2, 2016 at 5:25 am | Permalink

            Interestingly, some studies have shown that the colour of the placebo pill actually is important – some colors are more efficacious than others (I can’t remember which). In addition, the more expensive the placebo pill is the better it works as well. Religion might also be a very expensive placebo!

  3. Roger
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Is it me or is the world actually going backwards.

    • jeffery
      Posted November 30, 2016 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

      I think part of it is the ever-expanding population: more people= more idiots, fools, and ignoramuses.

      • Posted November 30, 2016 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

        The problem is lack of education with regard to religion versus spirituality… just because religion is mostly bullshit, it doesn’t lessen the likelihood, or the possibility, of there actually being a God.

        • ploubere
          Posted November 30, 2016 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

          Well, religion is organized delusion and spirituality is individual delusion, if you insist. There’s a possibility of a god/gods but no evidence. Religion/spirituality is the certainty that there is a god/gods in spite of the lack of evidence.

          • Posted December 1, 2016 at 12:01 am | Permalink

            Spirituality is something you feel… or you don’t , I suppose. I have a connection with some energy, somewhere – to me, that is God.

            • Wunold
              Posted December 1, 2016 at 1:05 am | Permalink

              Hello middlegroundministries,

              I’m curious, what kind of energy is that, how are you connected to it, and how do you feel it? For comparison, in physics, energy is a property of matter like color or velocity, not a thing of it’s own.

              How do you know it’s something different from the nowadays well-researched biophysical processes of your body? (If I understand you correctly.)

              Why do you choose “God” to describe it?

              • Posted December 2, 2016 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

                Thank you for asking… I’ll admit, it is a hard thing to explain, but I’ll do my best: First, I’ll answer why I choose God to describe it; it’s because I actually ‘heard’ him when I was six years old – a soft, whispering voice, in the cochlear – it said not to believe everything I heard… “to take it with a grain of salt.” I didn’t know what those words meant, and had to ask my mother to explain it to me; so I didn’t make the words up… they actually came to me, from somewhere. For as long as I can remember, I’ve had a very close relationship with this “energy” – now to reply to your comment about energy; energy abosolutely IS a thing of its own… Einstein proved this. It is the only THING that cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed; it simply always has been and always will be. Doesn’t that sound like God?? So, what kind of energy is it? Immense – it encompases the universe… how I’m connected, I cannot explain except to say that I always have been (and I believe we all are, but some just don’t realize it)… how is the internet connected? It’s beyond me. How do I feel it?? Sometimes very physically, https://www.createspace.com/Preview/1183733 (I’ve journaled my whole life because of my experiences)… I’ve also posted videos on YouTube, trying to explain some of these things; if you’d like to check them out, look here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/109578928225289264065/109578928225289264065/posts THANK YOU for your questions!

              • Wunold
                Posted December 3, 2016 at 3:51 am | Permalink

                Thank you very much for your answers. To answer yours: The scientific definition of energy doesn’t sound like a god to me, but like a non-intelligent property of the universe like so many others.

                Here are some more questions for you to ponder. You can answer them here (mind “Da Rulez!” #9 though), but it would suffice to me if you just used them to critically question your beliefs, like I try to do myself regularly.🙂

                Do you think it is the same voice that countless other people claim to hear, telling them very different things, sometimes very harmful to them or others? If so, would it be a good source of advice? If not, how do you assess the validity of “your” voice and theirs?

                Can you think of other explanations for your vivid childhood memories?

                Does the voice’s advice “don’t believe everything you hear” also apply to the voice itself? Did it give you any epistemological tools how to know right from wrong information?

                How much of your today’s interpretation is actually your mother’s? Shouldn’t an universe-encompassing energy-god be able to explain it intelligibly to a six-year-old in the first place?

              • Posted December 2, 2016 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

                First, The conservation of energy (and momentum) is simply an implication of the fact that physical processes are invariant to translations in time and space (Noether’s theorem.) Nothing mysterious.

                Second, have you not wondered why, out of billions of people on a speck of dust in a universe that is 93 billion light-years across, god would whisper “take it with a grain of salt” in the ear of a six year old? Do you really believe you are that special? Are there not more likely explanations for your experience?

              • rickflick
                Posted December 2, 2016 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

                “I’ll admit, it is a hard thing to explain…”

                Have you actually thought through carefully what it means to explain something? Given experiences we as human beings have, how do we make sense of the diverse inputs to create a reasonable picture of the world outside ourselves? Where does your personal experience/revelation fit into the overall experience of humanity? What do you think about people who have divergent experiences? Do we accept the first images that appear to us, or should we investigate critically to find out what others experience has to offer?

        • rickflick
          Posted November 30, 2016 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

          Remember that part of “religion” is apologetic which actually does deal with the likelihood or possibility of there being a God or Gods, and it is part of the bullshit. Spirituality is one of those terms used in many ways and adds nothing evidential to belief in deities.

          • Posted November 30, 2016 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

            Except to those of us who have experienced it, I suppose…

            • Dominic
              Posted December 1, 2016 at 6:35 am | Permalink

              A feeling is not evidence.

            • rickflick
              Posted December 1, 2016 at 7:40 am | Permalink

              I’ve got a feeling, a feeling deep inside
              Oh yeah, Oh yeah.

    • Posted December 1, 2016 at 11:21 am | Permalink

      I fear the same.

  4. Kiwi Dave
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Much more intriguing than the faith and healing story is the second story. Just how does a warming relationship between Cuba and the US relate to orangutans at risk?

    • Billy Bl.
      Posted November 30, 2016 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

      If Cubans are hostile to orangutans, and the tourists are American orangutans, then of course they would be at risk.

    • Posted November 30, 2016 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

      Apes were heroes of the revolution – remember Chimp Guevara?

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted November 30, 2016 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

      Editorial cockup? One article’s headline and a different article’s summary?

      Frankly I wouldn’t believe, on principle, anything National Geographic said about faith, Cuba, Putin or Russia.

      cr

    • Michael Fisher
      Posted November 30, 2016 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

      It’s a cock up in the December press release – I think they prepare the press release for the new month using the previous month as a template. They changed the November article titles & pics, but didn’t see they’d left one article summary as it was for November.

      That particular summary comes from the November story called “Changing Cuba: Here Comes the Wave” by Cynthia Gorney

  5. Abdulazeez
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    It’s true that National Geographic had once put an interview with Francis Collins highlighting his emergence of faith and science, and there you might pick on some objections, but I don’t see a problem with this issue. The title of the healing power of faith seems like it’s one chosen to catch eyes and capture the interest of the reader to delve in the topic (eventually buy the magazine) and the explanatory notes under the title clearly mention those healing powers as “placebos, rituals, and mystic experiences”, which are things that you’d agree may produce healing sensations, especially the placebo effect. I don’t see a major objection to be decried here.

    See my answer above as well.

    • Posted November 30, 2016 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

      Rituals and mystical experiences are distinguished from “placebos,” and there’s a religious image on the cover. Seriously, you don’t see the problem? Jebus.

    • Posted November 30, 2016 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

      I’m not sure it will attract the right kind of reader. I’m fascinated by the placebo effect but a headline about ‘faith’ over a religious image isn’t going to draw me in, while it sounds like the religious would be disappointed.

      • rickflick
        Posted November 30, 2016 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

        Let’s suggest they redo the cover page:

        …..The Healing Power of……
        ……….PLACEBOS…..

        • geckzilla
          Posted November 30, 2016 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

          I was going to suggest the same thing, rickflick. And instead of a religious painting, an illustration of a brain in some form, either MRI, photo of a real brain, etc. Maybe a molecule of one of the hormones known to elicit happiness…

  6. keith cook +/-
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Don’t quote me Dave but have you seen what products use palm oil, products (see link) that demand their (orangutans) habitat be turned over to produce the stuff.

    http://www.worldwildlife.org/pages/which-everyday-products-contain-palm-oil

    well from that, what will this onslaught of tourist eat and use a lot of…
    and there you have it.😎

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted November 30, 2016 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

      … except the darn tourists are going to eat the same shit wherever they go.
      And there may (or may not) be palm oil plantations in Cuba but I don’t seem to recall any orangs?

      cr

  7. Randall Schenck
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Do people not know who owns this firm? That should tell you to cancel right away.

  8. JonLynnHarvey
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Long before Murdoch bought up NatGeo, they have been doing TV documentaries on religion that are somewhat uncritical.

    One really notices is this if you see the really good TV documentaries on religion that show up on British television, and the occasional ones on PBS (which for the most part they shy away from- seeing as how they still get a bit of tax-payer money and all.)

    I especially like the religion documentaries produced for BBC and Channel 4 by Robert Beckford such as “Who Wrote the Bible?”, which no American network would touch with a 10-foot pole (in spite of Beckford still identifying in a very loose and broad sense as a Christian.)
    See also PBS’s 1998 superb “From Jesus to Christ”.

    Compare these first-rate films with the bland pablumesque stuff put out by NatGeo like “Secret Lives of the Apostles” and “Inside the Vatican” (Heck, some practicing Catholics have written more hard-hitting stuff on the Vatican than NatGeo.)

    The hedging in the writing in this article is not an honest noncommittal-ness. It’s fudging. One COULD write an article on this with mostly the same data that says “I’m not sure if this is placebo or spiritual” in a more honest way, but the phrasing in this case is a tad evasive.

  9. rickflick
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    I wish they’d stick to the topless native women they do so well. Plenty of healing there.😉

    • HaggisForBrains
      Posted December 1, 2016 at 4:11 am | Permalink

      Ah, the porn of my youth – sigh.

  10. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    🙂

    You, sir, have a degenerate and morally reprehensible mind. (I know ‘cos I’ve got one of those myself)

    cr

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted November 30, 2016 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

      … which was addressed to rickflick of course. Absolutely not to PCC.
      😦

      cr

    • rickflick
      Posted November 30, 2016 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

      Thanks for confirming my suspicions.😉

  11. Mark R.
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad I cancelled my subscription after the Murdochs got their greedy hands on nat. geo.

    • ploubere
      Posted November 30, 2016 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

      same here, as soon as I read about it.

  12. phoffman56
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    As I suggested last time, try the Canadian Geographical. For 40 years, I’ve found very little of scientific interest in Nat. Geo.

    But maybe I’m a bit unfairly unimpressed by being influenced by claims of so-called American exceptionalism (certainly true in the sense of US being the unique exception as a ‘1st world western country’ with a fairly recent history of slavery—and apparently a bunch of voters hankering back to that!) However it’s interesting that it took ownership by an Australian to make it an order of magnitude worse than before. But Murdoch had practice doing that to TV when I thought TV ‘news’ couldn’t possibly get worse!

    Anyway, Nat. Geo. always seemed like a very nice photo mag., but little else.

    And, at least recently, their TV science popularizations are nearly the worst, to this cranky old hearing-impaired man, for having the whole soundtrack overwhelmed with assinine computer-generated ‘music’! But even Nova can be infuriating that way.

  13. Frank bath
    Posted November 30, 2016 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    A disappointing issue. I looked all the way through it and they never got their kit off. What kind of deep anthropological mining is this?

  14. chrism
    Posted December 1, 2016 at 4:58 am | Permalink

    After many years my wife has finally cancelled her subscription with this edition. It’s not just the religious thing – the magazine has become an advertising vehicle for the TV channel.

  15. Keith
    Posted December 1, 2016 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    I had to look up the word “osculation” and can’t seem to find an official definition that fits the way it’s used in the title here. It seems to mean the literal act of kissing, or describes the point where two arcs meet, or any type of adjoining. Also, an intermediate form between two taxonomic groups.
    As JC uses it here, it seems to mean coddling or to show preference or agreeableness to.
    Please enlighten me if I’m wrong. Is there another ‘street’ definition that works here?

  16. Steve Pollard
    Posted December 1, 2016 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    “Osculating the rump” is a polite way of saying “kissing the arse” (or “ass” on PCC(E)’s side of the Atlantic).

    • Keith
      Posted December 1, 2016 at 11:52 am | Permalink

      Aha! A new term to use. Thanks so much. I should have known better than to doubt the wordsmithery of PCC.


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