Trump arouses the sleeping Nazi-lovers

When Trump was elected, most of us expected that we’d see an upsurge of racist acts and words, and that indeed has happened. It’s as if suddenly the darker side of many Trump voters was given license to come out into the sun.

It’s reprehensible, but nothing is more reprehensible than what happened in Washington on Saturday, when the right-winger and white-supremacist Richard B. Spencer, described as a leader of the “alt-right” (I don’t know what that term really means) gave a display of such disgusting racism before his followers that it turns my stomach. Indeed, it was nothing more than a paean to the Nazi version of Nordic superiority, complete with Nazi words (“Lügenpresse,” or lying press, “hail Trump”), criticisms of the Jews, and even Hitler-style salutes, which Spencer incited in the 3-minute video below.

Here are a few articles from today’s New York Times article on the meeting

In 11 hours of speeches and panel discussions in a federal building named after Ronald Reagan a few blocks from the White House, a succession of speakers had laid out a harsh vision for the future, but had denounced violence and said that Hispanic citizens and black Americans had nothing to fear. Earlier in the day, Mr. Spencer himself had urged the group to start acting less like an underground organization and more like the establishment.

But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the “children of the sun,” a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were “awakening to their own identity.”

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Mr. Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room — it was not clear who — shouted, “Heil the people! Heil victory,” the room shouted it back.

Have a look at this 3-minute excerpt of Spencer’s speech from The Atlantic:

More quotes:

But as the night wore on and most reporters had gone home, the language changed.

Mr. Spencer’s after-dinner speech began with a polemic against the “mainstream media,” before he briefly paused. “Perhaps we should refer to them in the original German?” he said.

The audience immediately screamed back, “Lügenpresse,” reviving a Nazi-era word that means “lying press.”

Mr. Spencer suggested that the news media had been critical of Mr. Trump throughout the campaign in order to protect Jewish interests. He mused about the political commentators who gave Mr. Trump little chance of winning.

“One wonders if these people are people at all, or instead soulless golem,” he said, referring to a Jewish fable about the golem, a clay giant that a rabbi brings to life to protect the Jews.

Mr. Trump’s election, Mr. Spencer said, was “the victory of will,” a phrase that echoed the title of the most famous Nazi-era propaganda film. But Mr. Spencer then mentioned, with a smile, Theodor Herzl, the Zionist leader who advocated a Jewish homeland in Israel, quoting his famous pronouncement, “If we will it, it is no dream.”

. . . “America was, until this last generation, a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Mr. Spencer thundered. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.”

But the white race, he added, is “a race that travels forever on an upward path.”

“To be white is to be a creator, an explorer, a conqueror,” he said.

More members of the audience were on their feet as Mr. Spencer described the choice facing white people as to “conquer or die.”

If Trump is truly a leader, he will denounce this kind of odious racism, strongly, immediately, and in no uncertain terms. He did say this through a spokesman:

A spokesman for Donald Trump’s transition team sent a statement Monday night saying the president-elect condemns racism, following an “alt-right” conference over the weekend where white nationalists cheered his election.

“President-elect Trump has continued to denounce racism of any kind and he [was] elected because he will be a leader for every American,” Bryan Lanza, a spokesman for the Trump-Pence Transition said in a statement, according to CNN.

“To think otherwise is a complete misrepresentation of the movement that united Americans from all backgrounds.”

Well, that’s better than nothing, but imagine what Obama would have said. We’ll be facing a lot more of this, I suspect, and it’s now our brief to call it out, to protest to Trump, and insist that he denounce the wave of hatred that his candidacy has unleashed.


  1. GBJames
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    I see very little room for optimism here.

  2. Randall Schenck
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    All this guy needs is a mustache and the uniform and he is playing the part. These are the really extreme Trump fans who somehow think their day has come. Trump had better cut them off at the knees because he can’t fast talk his way out of this shit. He will need most of his time and energy to fight all the conflicts of interest he is about to see.

    • Posted November 23, 2016 at 8:29 am | Permalink

      Just be glad he’s not in the same league, as an orator, with Hitler …

  3. Posted November 22, 2016 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    I watched this earlier today, and reprehensible seems inadequate. Spencer also used a word I had not heard before: cuck – Cuckservative, cuck: The term “cuckservative” originated in the alt-right. It’s a portmanteau of “conservative” and “cuckold” used to describe Republicans who are perceived to be emasculated or “selling out.”

  4. Beth Purkhiser
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    omg, this is nauseating. What a terrible sickness.

  5. eric
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    “alt-right” (I don’t know what that term really means

    It means “we don’t like being called bigots, and have trouble spelling ‘supremacist.'”

    • Heather Hastie
      Posted November 23, 2016 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

      Yes. They invented the term themselves to be more palatable than neo-Nazi.

      I saw Jeffrey Lorde on CNN yesterday saying that it was the fault of groups like Black Lives Matter that the alt-right was coming forward. Un-effing-believable.

      When Trump names a person (Steve Bannon) who gave the alt-right a platform as his chief strategist, that is what encourages them. Just imagine if Obama had appointed a leader of the Blaci Panthers as his chief strategist.

  6. darrelle
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    J. F. C.

  7. Historian
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Fascist movements tend to emerge during times of economic and social turmoil, even in democracies. Such was the case in Britain and the U.S. in the 1930s. The difference now in the U.S. is that a fascist (or perhaps more appropriately neo-Nazi) group has so identified with a person who will shortly be president. Trump has failed to condemn them outright. I would not be surprised to learn that he is ignorant of what they stand for. Their support of Trump may ultimately create turmoil in the Republican Party. Those who are morally destitute may support him no matter what. Others, with a modicum of conscious, may reject him. The current situation is that we have absolutely no idea what Trump will actually do upon taking office. Anything he says now is totally meaningless. I can think of no other instance in American history when the country had absolutely not a clue as to what an incoming president would do on so many issues. This is what makes the future so scary and dangerous

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted November 22, 2016 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

      Trump does not see things (and may be incapable of seeing them) along true/false or right/wrong axes. For him, there is only pro-Trump and anti-Trump, and what is pro-Trump is perforce right and true.

      When Trump picks up that something that is pro-Trump may nonetheless engender public opprobrium, he will play out the willful-blindness/plausible-deniability string as long as he can. When confronted with it point blank, where he can’t squirm away, he will say something along the lines of:

      “You want me to renounce it? There, I renounce it. Satisfied?”

      It’s what he did with the David Duke endorsement during the primaries.

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted November 22, 2016 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

        When finally forced to renounce any repugnant matter, Trump seeks to distance himself only from the social stigma associated with that matter, not from the repugnancy of the matter itself.

        • ToddP
          Posted November 22, 2016 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

          Ken is exactly right. Trump seems to only react against perceived negative associations when he has to face questions. The substance is apparently unimportant to him. He’ll do or say whatever is advantageous to him in the moment. Any subsequent negative backlash will be dismissed with “I never said/did that, the media is lying.”

        • Posted November 23, 2016 at 12:39 am | Permalink

          This is how lizards solve complex ethical dilemmas while moving across hot stones.

          • Posted November 23, 2016 at 11:55 am | Permalink

            So is David Icke right after all? 😉

            • Posted November 23, 2016 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

              Yes, as well as eligible for a cabinet position.

    • Posted November 22, 2016 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

      I have a high degree on confidence that Trump has no idea what he’ll do either. There is nothing to indicate the man has any inkling to plan ahead any further than whatever is currently coming from his mouth. We have elected a bullshit artist who not only speaks in a stream of consciousness style, but lives that way too. Even ask his most ardent supporters what they think Trump will do and they sound like his clone, rattling off meaningless platitudes and adjectives with nothing of substance to be found.

  8. Mike Cracraft
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    I would recommend Justin Smith’s website (WWW.JEHSMITH.COM) for his insight into Bannon’s connections with the ultra-nationalist Russian writer Aleksandr Dugin.

    • Tim Harris
      Posted November 22, 2016 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

      Justin Smith’s piece is excellent: very intelligent & perceptive. (As are other pieces of his.) Thank you for drawing it to our attention. Dugin’s ‘basic point’, by the way, that ‘political power may be classified as either thalassocratic, which is to say sea-based, or tellurocratic, land-based. Anglo-American power, as consolidated in NATO, is the world’s great thalassocracy, while the Russian Empire, whether Soviet or not, is the world’s great tellurocracy’ derives, I am pretty sure, from the German jurist and political thinker (as well as anti-Semite and unrepentant Nazi) Carl Schmitt’s ‘Land und Meer: Eine weltgeshichteliche Betrachtung’ (‘Land & Sea: A World-Historical Meditation’). Schmitt was certainly a highly intelligent man, a friend of the novelist, diarist and essayist Ernst Junger as well as of Martin Heidegger, and he has become a bit of a cult figure on the right because his intelligence is supposed to confer respectability. He is an interesting and stimulating writer certainly, but certainly not someone who should be read uncritically and made the object of a cult (actually, as nobody should). An English translation of Schmitt’s essay, as well as translations of other of Schmitt’s books, is available from Telos Press Publishing with an introduction by Russell Berman of Stanford University and the Hoover Institution. I recommend reading it – it’s always worthwhile finding out who one’s enemies are and, more important, what they think. And Schmitt is no fool.

      Quite a few commenters on this site have been asserting convenient nonsense about the words ‘racism’ and ‘racist’ having been bandied about so much by the much hated ‘left’ that have no genuine significance left. Yes, words may be mis-used and over-used, but a little research into the white supremacist supporters of Trump and into the ideas they draw on (ably set out by Justin Smith), not to mention the histories of such as Bannon and Sessions, will show that racism and racists are not only alive and well but positively thriving.

      • Tim Harris
        Posted November 22, 2016 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

        For those who are interested in literature, Schmitt wrote a fascinating long essay on ‘Hamlet’ entitled ‘Hamlet or Hecuba’ – this has also been published by the Telos Press.

      • somer
        Posted November 23, 2016 at 12:48 am | Permalink

        Yes but just as the neo nazis want to destroy western liberalism a lot of regressive leftists and the harder left identify with Russia or dictators as superior to the west. Whereas nazis see the enlightment as anti atavistic tribal arianism (or an imaginary idealised national ethnic purity) too much of the left associate modernity with Western imperialism. Life is just more complicated than that. Or greenies who fantasise about a peaceful pre 1500s world. I don’t buy Pinkers analysis that capitalism brought enlightement peace and love at all – it existed before and it by product of other changes (good and bad) that brought the Enlightenment. and capitalism always needs moderation. Where the left are wrong is where they assume other cultures are better than west, or where they assume there is no need for national boundaries

        Alexandr Dugin is explicit in his distaste for liberalism and the enlightenment and the hegemonic aims of russia

        • somer
          Posted November 23, 2016 at 1:22 am | Permalink

          “anti atavistic tribal nationalism”
          I meant
          “atavistic tribal nationalism”

        • Tim Harris
          Posted November 23, 2016 at 1:25 am | Permalink

          Certainly people on the ‘harder’ left used in the past to look to the Soviet Union (not Russia)and, as Justin Smith says, “‘The American left is still complaining that any expression of concern about Russia’s role in this election is just pro-Hillary ‘red-baiting’”, but I doubt that you will find much support on the left for Putin and the merry band of Russian nationalists and pirate capitalists who have taken over Russia, whereas, as Justin Smith makes very clear, the American extreme right is looking to Russia as a kind of saviour of the white race and are delighted that Trump admires Putin.

          Yes, life is complicated, isn’t it?

  9. Simon Hayward
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Per a tw**t from Julie Davis at the NYT during his on the record meeting: Asked point-blank about Nazi conference in DC over wknd: @realDonaldTrump tells @nytimes “of course” “I disavow and condemn them”

    One might perhaps have asked for something a little stronger. His a potentially positive sign he also intimated that climate change might actually be real…..

    That’s from the NYT website, my twitter feed is probably a month overdue for looking at and I don’t follow politicians or journalists

  10. Ken Kukec
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    … the “alt-right” (I don’t know what that term really means) …

    I think it means the bedfellows of the Birchers and neo-Nazis and White Citizens Councils who’re no longer welcome in polite conservative circles — but whose sub silentio support the Republican party has long nurtured, and who are now coming out of the closet to claim their share of the spoils of electoral war.

    • Posted November 22, 2016 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

      This seems about right.

    • bluemaas
      Posted November 22, 2016 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

      Indeed, Mr Kukec / Mr Blilie, and thus is a portion of the reason as to .why. I placed my wager on the election outcome — as I did.

      This piece explains — — WHO was “awakened.” And, IF pollsters and others had surveyed folks’ voting intentions, .not. about themselves but had asked them about their beliefs re the voting intentions of “their neighbors” (jajajaja), instead, THEN the survey results would have been not only far different but also … … (so unfortunately) accurate.


  11. nickswearsky
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    So this is what we have now? People who are comfortable giving Nazi salutes? Antisemitic rants spoken in German for emphasis?


    • Pali
      Posted November 22, 2016 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

      No, we’ve always had this. They’re just getting more attention now.

      • Posted November 23, 2016 at 8:31 am | Permalink

        And they are unafraid of doing it very publicly now, after the permission they received during the Trump campaign.

  12. Ken Kukec
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    “To be white is to be a creator, an explorer, a conqueror”

    … he says to a buncha lame ofay losers who couldn’t find their own asses with both hands and a shit-stained divining rod.

    Yeah, Trump denounces racists … after naming their propaganda minister the “chief strategist” in his White House.

    Fasten your seatbelts, as Ms. Davis said, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

    • Diana MacPherson
      Posted November 22, 2016 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

      I know, I was thinking, when he said that, “to be white is to burn under UV rays and forever fear skin cancer”.

  13. Mark R.
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    “Well, that’s better than nothing, but imagine what Obama would have said.”

    He can still say something. I hope he does, and soon. This is no joke and watching this happen in real time is beyond terrifying. History notes that a lot of Hitler supporters were blind-sided, or they thought Hitler could “be controlled”. If people don’t wake up (esp. media/politicians/public figures) this kind of shit will become mainstream…and then?

    • Simon
      Posted November 22, 2016 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

      These idiots can entertain all the delusions they like, they are no closer to power or mainstream influence than they were before the election. The media hysteria is not helpful at all, in fact it is probably playing a significant roll in fueling the delusions. Surely the way to deal with them is to mock them. The way NOT to deal with them is to promote the silly narrative that associates the bulk of Trump’s supporters with fascist sentiments, thereby creating the perception of popular support for these loons.

      The US is not 1930’s Germany, although the Dems are faithfully copying the errors made by the German establishment which let Adolf win over the people. The constitution is still in force as is the rule of law and Trump, in the unlikely even that he even wanted to, will have no chance of changing that.

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted November 22, 2016 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

        Certainly, the way to dispel these delusions is not to name the idiots’ leading propagandist your “chief strategist.”

        That appears to be fueling the idiots’ delusions — if, indeed, delusions they be — more than any media hype.

        • tomh
          Posted November 22, 2016 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

          “they are no closer to power or mainstream influence than they were before the election.”

          Seriously? When Trump names Steve Bannon as his chief adviser? Trump was smart not to name him to a post that required Senate approval, or all the dirty laundry would have really come out.

          • Timothy Harris
            Posted November 22, 2016 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

            Simple Simon…

      • Ken Kukec
        Posted November 22, 2016 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

        The US is not 1930’s Germany … [t]he constitution is still in force …

        Well, seeing as how you raise 1930s Germany, the Wiemar constitution — providing for a democratic parliamentary republic with proportional representation and universal suffrage — technically remained in effect throughout the Nazi era. The Führer and his henchmen just ignored it.

        But, as you say, it can’t happen here.

        • somer
          Posted November 23, 2016 at 2:17 am | Permalink

          Despite the appearances of some of its constitution Weimar democracy was actually a very weak democracy. During the interwar period the Weimar govt covertly and not so covertly spent a fortune building up the military and airforce (much of it on Soviet territory, under their cooperation pact). Part of the currency meltdown was due to this spending because after a few years the US waived it.(The US controlled the reparations – the UK snd France couldn’t enforce reparations because they were paying off very large wartime loans to the US). A lot of the thing about Germany reacting to Versailles humiliation and oppression is WW2 alliance then Cold War alliance convenience

        • infiniteimprobabilit
          Posted November 23, 2016 at 2:23 am | Permalink

          Ignored it, or just made sure they won every vote by a comfortable margin?


      • Posted November 23, 2016 at 8:34 am | Permalink

        “The constitution is still in force as is the rule of law and Trump, in the unlikely even that he even wanted to, will have no chance of changing that.”

        And who’s to restrain him? The GOP congress? Don’t hold your breath!

  14. rickflick
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Bah! Where are the better angels when you need them?

  15. Posted November 22, 2016 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Trump has so much power at the moment there is no telling what he might do, or what he couldn’t do. If the right tries to push back, and he blames his failures on them, he could conceivably form a 3rd party that would fracture, and destroy the republican party. Given that do they dare oppose anything he proposes?

  16. geckzilla
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Trump may not be an incarnation of Hitler, but he’s certainly paving the way for any wannabes with his bumbling ineptitude.

  17. largeswope
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    This is horrifying. It has been making the rounds on Facebook. I am glad so many people are seeing it. There is no line Trump won’t cross. He has free reign and he knows it.

  18. Kevin
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    I need to keep reminding myself what it looks like when a society registers non-Christians, LGBT, and people of color:

    (If the Tw**t is passed…just imagine: concentration camp labels tattooed on your arm…wait, maybe we won’t have to imagine it.)

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted November 22, 2016 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

      If Trump follows through on his talk about starting a Muslim-registry, I’ll be giving up my “none” and registering as a Muslim.

      I wanna be there in the action on the nacht when the kristall-breaking goes down.

    • somer
      Posted November 23, 2016 at 2:48 am | Permalink

      The registration comments are foul but I understand whats really being considered is reinstitution of what Bush did for Muslim temporary residents – not migrants or permanent residents. Not good still but not what was hinted at – unless there have been further developments in the last 5 days.

  19. Nick Vushev
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    99% of accusations of rasism nowadays are a complete bogus. The left diluted the word to include Sam Harris or, for example, Ben Shapiro. This case, however, is perfectly legit.

    My only doubt here is whether this man indeed represents the so-called “alt-right”. Up to now I thought alt-right were someone more like Milo, and Milo is nothing like this guy.

    • Posted November 23, 2016 at 11:59 am | Permalink

      Milo seems to just be a troll. This guy does seem to be an outright Nazi.

  20. keith cook +/-
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    All Hail Free Speech…. i think? but are they?
    ….the answer to why:

    Old Ebenezer thought he was Julius Caesar
    And so they put him in a home
    Where they gave him medicnal compound
    And now he’s emporor of Rome

    Lily the Pink
    it was medicnal compound!

    sorry to make light of this, not really, but this put me in Germany in the 1930’s, fascinating and horrifying at the same time.

  21. Pliny the in Between
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    • rickflick
      Posted November 22, 2016 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

      Perfect. The boy king.

  22. Larry
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    This segment of the population is persistent. White privilege – they think they are the chosen ones. What garbage. What a waste of a life. What a lack of morals. A philosophy based on a hatred of humanity.

  23. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    These guys are still the same assholes they were six months ago. Probably can’t get a girlfriend so they have to fantasise about how superior they are. It couldn’t possibly be that they’re inadequate. It’s a form of compensation.

    One hopes they’re in for yet another disappointment in their miserable lives.


  24. Diana MacPherson
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    If I saw this video out of context, which is to say, unaware of the increased racist declarations and acts that surround it, I’d find it comical. The speaker is such a bafoon, trying to bring to life his idea of a fascist of the past, what with the hair and suit and German. Oh please, grow up or play the villain in private.

    However, I realize that there is a context for this so I feel concerned and hope these doofuses are not as wide spread as we fear.

    • Tim Harris
      Posted November 22, 2016 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

      A ‘bafoon’ – what a splendid word! But, since this is a biology website in name, are buffoons able to beget young on baboons, or vice versa? Professor Ceiling Cat – help?

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted November 23, 2016 at 11:37 am | Permalink

        😀 Splendid is also a splendid word.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted November 23, 2016 at 2:11 am | Permalink

      They’re probably wetting themselves over the fact that they’ve made it into the news and shitting themselves at the thought that somebody might laugh.


      • Ken Kukec
        Posted November 23, 2016 at 6:37 am | Permalink

        Sounds like An entrepreneur with an alt-right adult-undergarment concession could really clean-up, so to speak.

        • Diana MacPherson
          Posted November 23, 2016 at 11:52 am | Permalink

          Call them the Sieg Pile 💩 Available only in white.

  25. Mike Savage
    Posted November 22, 2016 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Till today I’d never heard of this guy and neither had you. He had a “crowd” of about 200 people, probably a third of whom were undercover investigative agents or media. Apparently he’s based in Arlington, which has had these sorts of loons around since George Lincoln Rockwell was shot right down the street from your parents’ apartment. Trump or his voters have nothing to do with Spencer’s views. They are being being publicized….really for the first time in the major media…by the media playing the “disavowal” game.

    Hillary was endorsed by the Communist Party USA…sll 200 of them or so….and I’m sure no one in the press corps asked whether or not she “disavowed” their support, even though Communists have murdered hundreds of millions in the last century. Nor should they have…she probably didn’t even know the CPUSA supported her.

    The Anti-Defamation League estimates that the Klan has 3000 members….the Southern Poverty Law Center puts it at 6000. In contrast, the Nation of Islam’s core membership is estimated at 50,000, and they (initially) supported Obama, as did Hamas, if we want to talk about a couple of anti-semitic organizations. (The NOI believes that white people are “devils” created in the lab by a renegade mad scientist named “Yakob”.) No one asked Obama if he “disavowed” the Nation of Islam (whose home “mosque”in Chicago he may have represented as a State Senator, i dunno). The media didn’t chase him around when he wanted to talk about the economy, or healthcare, or Iran, and demand that he “disavow” the latest crackpot statement from Louis Farrakan. Nor should they have….he didn’t want their support nor did he endorse their ideologies.

    The media is shining its spotlight on unknown people like Spencer or forgotten ones like David Duke….individuals with vanishingly small influence….as a cudgel to beat Trump. They want him to continuously have to “disavow” whatever these loons come up with in order to tie him, and his voters, by implication, to their ideologies. It’s a nasty business and it is appalling that the transparent tactic seems to work on so many “progressives”. A whole lot of Trump voters had fathers and uncles who fought the Nazis, sometimes died fighting the Nazis. So think twice before you call them “Nazi-lovers”.

    • Tim Harris
      Posted November 22, 2016 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

      I suggest that you read what was recommended above by Mike Cracraft, about Bannon’s less than savoury connexions before making these easy dismissals. Here is Cracraft’s comment again:

      ‘I would recommend Justin Smith’s website (WWW.JEHSMITH.COM) for his insight into Bannon’s connections with the ultra-nationalist Russian writer Aleksandr Dugin.’

      Justin Smith is an (American)professor of philosophy in France and has been examining the rise of white supremacists and others on the right for some time.

      • Tim Harris
        Posted November 22, 2016 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

        And I should also like to quote the first couple of paragraphs from a very good article by David Niewert, a prize-winning journalist who has spent years studying the American extreme right, which is now up on his blog ‘Orcinus’:

        ‘We’ll be hearing a lot, from Republican apologists primarily but also “mainstream” journalists looking to find “common ground” with the incoming Trump Administration, that we shouldn’t be paying any attention to those racists behind the bright red “alt-right” curtain, such as those who let the curtain slip in Washington, D.C., the other day, because doing so just gives them attention and helps them spread their message. What we should be doing, they suggest, is ignoring them, denying them oxygen, and then they will just go away.

        ‘This line of argument gives Donald Trump a free ride from having to address the wave of hate crimes that has swept the nation since the election, since doing so might “give oxygen” to the young thugs waving Confederate flags and threatening minorities with chants of “Trump! Trump! Trump!”‘

        Complacent apologists for Trump such as Savage and Simon should read Niewert’s article carefully and think about it.

        • Tim Harris
          Posted November 22, 2016 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

          The following is from the much disliked PuffHo, but then it is not always wise to judge things by their provenance:

          ‘Trump still hasn’t spoken out against his anti-Semitic supporters, who also threatened New York Times reporter Jonathan Weisman, called for the death of conservative political commentator Ben Shapiro and his children, and told conservative writer Bethany Mandel she deserved “the oven.”

          ‘That silence has … Trump’s neo-Nazi fans … convinced the candidate is secretly on their side.

          ‘“We interpret that as an endorsement,” Andrew Anglin, the founder of the neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer, named for the Hitler-era tabloid Der Stürmer, told The Huffington Post in an email.

          ‘“Glorious Leader Donald Trump Refuses to Denounce Stormer Troll Army,” Anglin, who describes himself and his readers as “virulent” Trump supporters, posted on his website after the CNN interview. “We support Trump because he is the savior of the White race, sent by God to free us from the shackles of the Jew occupation and establish a 1000-year Reich,” Anglin told HuffPost.’

          • infiniteimprobabilit
            Posted November 23, 2016 at 2:20 am | Permalink

            That is so deliriously and insanely over the top, one can’t help wondering whether PuffHo gave him some encouragement. And whether he was acting up to satisfy them.

            But what the hell, I’ve never objected to laughing at lunatics.

            Umm, ‘Stormer Troll Army’ – does he know the modern connotations of the word ‘troll’?


          • Dominic
            Posted November 23, 2016 at 4:25 am | Permalink

            Trump’s son-in-law is Jewish… how does he fit in with this? I mean, surely he cannot be too happy about Alt Right?

            • Tim Harris
              Posted November 23, 2016 at 4:48 am | Permalink

              I can only suggest that you should try and ask him. And perhaps add that throughout history, you can find some very strange bedfellows.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted November 22, 2016 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

      … Hillary was endorsed by the Communist Party USA …

      Yeah, well, if Hillary had been elected and had named the editor of The Daily Worker as her administration’s “Chief Strategist,” the media would’ve demanded more than an equivocating disavowal — and the rightwing would’ve squealed like a stuck pig.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted November 23, 2016 at 12:24 am | Permalink

      … the Nation of Islam (whose home “mosque”in Chicago [Obama] may have represented as a State Senator, i dunno) …

      That’s some Trump-level demagoguery there, yo.

      Enough to warm the cockles of old Joe McCarthy’s dark heart, beating next to the list of 205 communists working in the State Department he may or may not have had in his breast pocket.

      Just once, Donald Trump could stop prevaricating about not knowing who these racist assholes are — just once, he could look the tv camera right in the lens and explain that he understands this nation’s long battle against bigotry and racism, could explain how his administration plans to carry that fight forward.

      Then he could send Steve Bannon packing.

      That’s what Barack Obama would’ve done if bigots — of any color — had celebrated in his name, had claimed him as their ideological confrère. That’s precisely what candidate Obama did do in his 2008 “A More Perfect Union” speech in Philadelphia in response to the racially divisive statements made by Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

      That’s all anyone’s asking your boy the Donald to do.

      • Posted November 23, 2016 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

        “Enough to warm the cockles of old Joe McCarthy’s dark heart…”


    • somer
      Posted November 23, 2016 at 1:42 am | Permalink

      It would be nice if the Klan should just continue to decline … not start to grow. Just the Klan went around Lynching people. Lots of people. Nation of Islam, for all its faults, never did.

      As others have said: Donald plainly gets some political capital out of Spencer and co or he wouldn’t make Spencers great pal Bannon chief strategist and he would personally and publicly make it crystal clear that this sort of behaviour and these sorts of speeches are unacceptable.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted November 23, 2016 at 7:14 am | Permalink

      If you’ve never heard of Richard Spencer before today, then you apparently never bothered to read Steve Bannon’s Breitbart site, which months’ ago praised him as “an intellectual” having “a media empire,” and the “center of alt-right thought.”

  26. Rick Graham
    Posted November 23, 2016 at 3:44 am | Permalink

    I’m sorry, less than 300 crazies have a “convention” wherein they celebrate the Republican victory & that’s proof Trump voters are all Nazi’s? I’d much rather hear how Stalinist/Marxist/Leninists/Trotskyites have taken over all the astro-turf anti-Constitutional demonstrations.

    The one’s that are actually breaking stuff and injuring people.

    “What’s Better Than 11 Dead Cops, 12 Dead Cops!” Anti Trump In Austin Texas

    • Dominic
      Posted November 23, 2016 at 4:42 am | Permalink

      I don’t think anyone is suggesting all Trump’s voters are Nazis (no apostrophe in a plural) or crazy. There are right wing people who are not Nazis & who do care about others, I am sure. And yes, rioters are breaking stuff & that is not a good thing – it does not help. Remember the Dead Kennedys’ song,
      “Riot-the unbeatable high
      Riot-shoots your nerves to the sky
      Riot-playing into their hands
      Tomorrow you’re homeless
      Tonight it’s a blast”
      I have never understood why there is no hard left in the USA politically. Has it always been there? Is it only now that the USA is catching up with the rest of us?
      Marxists want, in theory, a less selfish state where wealth is evenly distributed. Is that a bad thing? Stalinists are authoritarian & not to be welcomed in my view, likewise Leninists. I am not sure where Trotskyists stand! They are not all the same thing, any more than the right not being all the same thing.

  27. ascanius
    Posted November 23, 2016 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Well at least no Clinton emails are involved, and no conflicts of interest that were in appearance only!

    America certainly dodged a bullet by not electing such a shady figure as Hillary Clinton.

  28. Jack
    Posted November 23, 2016 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    What does alt-right mean? It is an alternative to being right and therefore it is wrong.

  29. RPGNo1
    Posted November 23, 2016 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    The term “Lügenpresse”, which means “lying press”, is often used by the German right-wing party AfD as well as the PEGIDA movement. It was chosen as the “un-word of the year” in year 2014.

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