The politics of speciation

From reader Pliny the in Between’s newly renamed site, The Far Corner Cafe, we have a cartoon called “If you catch my genetic drift.” Click to enlarge.

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I would never mate with a Republican!

38 Comments

  1. Randall Schenck
    Posted October 24, 2016 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    You say you would never mate with a Republican, yet they have been screwing us over for at least 35 years. Please, return the favor.

    • Posted October 25, 2016 at 1:17 am | Permalink

      Too bad there is no “Like” button for this one.

      • gravelinspector-Aidan
        Posted October 25, 2016 at 5:53 am | Permalink

        Here, the dialect spelling for (generic)Inglish “like” is “Reply”.

  2. loren russell
    Posted October 24, 2016 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    I believe HG Wells predicted this outcome.

    • busterggi
      Posted October 24, 2016 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

      Except he though the Morlocks would be the intelligent ones.

  3. Ken Kukec
    Posted October 24, 2016 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    I can still mate with a Red if I really, really have to — but only if she was born that way, rather than switched sides as an adult.

    • Ken Kukec
      Posted October 24, 2016 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

      I just think of it as doing to her what the GOP does to the poor (but in a nice way).

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted October 25, 2016 at 5:54 am | Permalink

      “Mate” =/= “Breed”

      • gravelinspector-Aidan
        Posted October 25, 2016 at 6:00 am | Permalink

        (Just trying to think of a “quiverfull-Inglish” synonym for a vasectomy. “I only fire blanks” fits, but not well. How does this sound? “My arrows never leave the cord”
        Was just visiting the parents to celebrate my 23rd V-day. As one does.

        • darrelle
          Posted October 26, 2016 at 7:21 am | Permalink

          “My arrows have practice tips on them.”?

          • gravelinspector-Aidan
            Posted October 26, 2016 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

            The only time I’ve had a shot at toxophily, they didn’t let me at any arrows with a tip on the shaft at all. I can’t remember if I ever hit the target, but since the target was long, tall Sally, it’s probably best.

            • Ken Kukec
              Posted October 27, 2016 at 9:32 am | Permalink

              She makes for a tough target, what with her and Uncle John always ducking back in the alley.

              • gravelinspector-Aidan
                Posted October 27, 2016 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

                Aye, but the hunting was fun!

  4. Randall Schenck
    Posted October 24, 2016 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    I should also say that apparently Pliny has been to the deep south and seen the evidence against interbreeding. Sorry for that joke…

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted October 25, 2016 at 6:05 am | Permalink

      In-breeding, surely?
      Old and very rude Welsh joke, easily modified to some other areas, I’m sure. “What does Q: Welsh rarebit mean?Ans: A Cardiff girl who can outrun her brothers.”

  5. Kevin
    Posted October 24, 2016 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    If I did mate with Republicans and/or Christians or Muslims, they would all become secular liberals. I would not have to do anything except be myself and they would eventually see that there’s more to life than believing dogmatic, unscientific principles.

    • rickflick
      Posted October 24, 2016 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

      I pretty much lived that.

      • Kevin
        Posted October 24, 2016 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

        I don’t even have to mate with them. Most people who spend enough time with me, just turn religion and/or conservatives off.

  6. Posted October 24, 2016 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Reds might also be in the process of splitting into two separate species. This extraordinary record of Tr*mp’s hate-filled tw**ts reveals a strong emphasis on attacking “fellow” Republicans just as much as Democrats.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?ref=politics&_r=0

    • loren russell
      Posted October 24, 2016 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

      sympatric via disruptive lek and mate choice

      eg, college/professional school followed by civic/golf/coutry-club courtship
      v. evangelical and gun store.

      Latter micro-species involves frequent male-desertion

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted October 25, 2016 at 6:09 am | Permalink

      Mental image of an ecologist’ paper “The Trump rally, considered as lekking behavior.”
      Does anyone have a link for a Sokal-o-tron robot which can write the paper for me?

    • gluonspring
      Posted October 25, 2016 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

      They won’t last long as two species. Combined they are barely a winning coalition. Apart they are doomed. Not sure how Rs could build a new coalition without the Trumpkin part of their base.

  7. eric
    Posted October 24, 2016 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    When thinking about demographic splits, these election maps are interesting to consider. Note that the north/south split started to emerge in 1824, well before the formation of the OP and the civil war. I suspect that if the GOP went away and we went to a different two-party axis (or even a three- or four- party system), that band of states across the southeast would still often vote differently than the band of states across the northeast.

    • Randall Schenck
      Posted October 24, 2016 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

      It is actually quite interesting in U.S. history that many of the founders argued the republic form of government would not work in a region as large as this and that was only 13 colonies. It had never been successful before except in city states and smaller sizes. Many argued that the separate regions would never be able to get along well enough to share such a government. Could be they will be found correct on that. It almost was found once already and history does repeat. I don’t see any Lincolns hanging around.

      • rickflick
        Posted October 24, 2016 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

        Right. Adams and Hamilton were Federalists who did not trust the average voter. They believed in rule by aristocracy as in Britain and had monarchist leanings. Washington, I think, was sympathetic to Federalists but sat on the fence. Jefferson was Republican as in democracy would work as long as people were well educated. Jefferson was very popular and steered the nation toward a common man’s government. Madison, also a republican, was elected after Jefferson had set the tone. The result after several decades was a pragmatic compromise in which the White House held considerable central power, but the plethora of democratic checks remained in place. It could have worked out rather differently.

        • Randall Schenck
          Posted October 24, 2016 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

          Correct but I was thinking back before the Constitutional convention. Madison was doing a lot of research and setting up the Virginia Plan and when he studied the outcome for the system of republic government there was nothing to overcome the argument that a large region could not work. It was too diverse. So he tried to turn it around and say, actually, although not tried on such a scale, it would actually make it work better. Wishful Thinking. Madison changed his mind about lots of things.

          • rickflick
            Posted October 24, 2016 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

            “Madison changed his mind about lots of things.”

            That’s often a sign of intelligence. Jefferson also modified his views as he gained experience in politics.

            • Randall Schenck
              Posted October 24, 2016 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

              Well yes. I suppose so. Jefferson is the guy given credit for the 180 that Madison seemed to do over a period of 8 years or so. But whole books have been written on that.

      • gravelinspector-Aidan
        Posted October 25, 2016 at 6:21 am | Permalink

        We’re facing a very similar debate in Britain. While I doubt “civil” war is credible, secession are.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted October 25, 2016 at 6:19 am | Permalink

      You mentioned the political “magic word” of “axis”, so I’ll throw a search term for you to consider ‘political compass’.
      [Allows time for the website to be read. ]
      While their analysis may well be open to specific challenges, their general point that “any simple axis of differentiation is not effective at distinguishing either politicians, or people’s politics” is, I think, valid.
      I’ve mentioned their site on a number of occasions, and am just considering how to manage the process of seeing how their tool would plot the readers of this website.

      • eric
        Posted October 25, 2016 at 9:19 am | Permalink

        Yeah I’ve seen it. But I wasn’t using ‘axis’ here to refer to individual voter preference; I was using it to refer to the fact the two party system appears so stable that even when voter preferences dramatically change, we quickly end up back at two parties after a few years of ferment. The content of their platforms may change, but the number of major, stable parties does not. At least, not any more.

        • gravelinspector-Aidan
          Posted October 26, 2016 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

          Hmmmm, I wonder if it’s a reflection of the “one, two, many” way of counting, or the common propensity to express almost any argument in terms of the horns of a dilemma.
          Whether reasonable humans (I hear the sound of tin-opener and worm-can coming together) are capable of rationally thinking about quadrilemmas and tripod arguments is another open question. Not only “can we do that”, but also “would it improve things if we made the effort?”

  8. dabertini
    Posted October 24, 2016 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    I would never mate with a Republican!

    I did!! Big mistake!!

  9. Alpha Neil
    Posted October 24, 2016 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    In cases of legitimate cross-political mating, the female body has ways to shut the whole thing down.

  10. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted October 24, 2016 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    “I would never mate with a Republican!”

    See this is where the Trump’s ‘anything-that-moves’ strategy would confer on him a distinct reproductive advantage…

    cr

    • Posted October 25, 2016 at 5:53 am | Permalink

      ๐Ÿ™‚

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted October 25, 2016 at 6:30 am | Permalink

      [SELF:trying to remember some insect reproductive biology that caused lots of “Yeucch! ” a couple of years ago.] There was a parasite (of hoomins?) noted for the male’s lack of selectivity in jabbing it’s penis into any part of a female it contacted, the considerable immunological challenge this represented to the females, and moderate surprise that there was successful impregnation in many cases. Very Trump-esque.
      And for the SF fan with a dry eye, there is always the hilarious “Man of Steel; Woman of Kleenex” and it’s non-Hollywood imagery.

  11. nicky
    Posted October 25, 2016 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Not mating with a republican? When I was young and good looking I even mated with Muslims. Sex always creeps where it is not supposed to go.
    Nevertheless, very clever and funny Pliny. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚.


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