German bomber pledges allegiance to ISIS

This is a recent report from Reuters:

The Syrian who blew himself up in southern Germany, wounding 15 people, had pledged allegiance to Islamic State on a video found on his mobile phone, the Bavarian interior minister said on Monday.

“A provisional translation by an interpreter shows that he expressly announces, in the name of Allah, and testifying his allegiance to (Islamic State leader) Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi … an act of revenge against the Germans because they’re getting in the way of Islam,” Joachim Herrmann told a news conference.

“I think that after this video there’s no doubt that the attack was a terrorist attack with an Islamist background.”

Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack, according to Amaq, a news agency that supports Islamic State.

The attack, outside a music festival in Ansbach, a town of 40,000 people southwest of Nuremberg that has a U.S. Army base, was the fourth act of violence by men of Middle Eastern or Asian origin against German civilians in a week.

The man, whose name wasn’t given, is apparently a refugee who arrived in Germany from Syria two years ago, had repeated run-ins with the cops, and was reportedly facing deportation to Bulgaria.


  1. Posted July 25, 2016 at 1:41 pm | Permalink


  2. Posted July 25, 2016 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    This is sad. I can see how the estrangement from a home base, the economic and social disempowerment, and the fear of being cast out and back to something worse could engender a lashing out. ISIS is manipulating the emotions of the estranged.

    All the more reason for people in the US, Germany, and other places to act compassionately to refugees, help them settle and find a sense of connection, grounding, and worth that can’t be manipulated by terror.

    • somer
      Posted July 25, 2016 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

      They are vulnerable but the religion is also brain washing in its tribalism, comprehensiveness and demandingness and its aggressive in its orthodox form (I wrote a speil re the role of jihad in the four Sunni schools in the item about the recent Florida fort west shootings which turned out to be nothing to do with terrorism)

      • Posted July 25, 2016 at 2:40 pm | Permalink


        (I was thinking some of that but left it out–and you’ve expressed it well.)

    • mordacious1
      Posted July 25, 2016 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

      A lot of the people that Al-Qaeda and Daesh attract are educated and/or have decent jobs. The guy in Nice was a truck driver (which I think is good work). The guy in San Bernardino had a house, a job, a nice car. The 9/11 bombers had college degrees (at least one was an engineer). The only thing they really had in common was Islam. The Tsarnaev brothers were living the American dream, going to good universities. I don’t see where any of these countries aren’t giving these people opportunities.

      • Posted July 25, 2016 at 2:42 pm | Permalink


        All baffling. All upsetting. All linked to religion.

      • Posted July 25, 2016 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

        + 1. That wretch blew himself up when the Germans prepared to send him back to my country, where he first applied for asylum. Poor countries are lucky that most jihadists prefer dolce vita, so only affluent countries like Germany are good enough for them.

        • somer
          Posted July 25, 2016 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

          A death is sad but what a creep and very glad you didn’t get him back!

  3. ThyroidPlanet
    Posted July 25, 2016 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    I was going to email PCC(E) this, but a few days ago Nate Silver re-Tweeted this:

    “The #Munich shooting disappeared off the media radar so fast after we learned he wasn’t Muslim that most people don’t know he wasn’t Muslim.”

    … I can dig up more, but that’s the idea… whatever it is.

    • Posted July 25, 2016 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

      Not only that, but he targeted people who were not German looking. Among the victims are 3 Turkish, 3 Albanian from Kosovo, a Greek, a Hungarian Gypsy, so basically black haired people who looked like immigrants.

      • CFM
        Posted July 27, 2016 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

        You may have been right:

        It seems he felt superior because he saw himself as a true “Aryan” and hated both Arabs and Turkish people. But none of this is official yet.

        Meanwhile, official remembrance is dominated by the Christian churches, there will be a church service organized by both Catholics and mainline Protestants, attended by Merkel and Gauck. Despite the fact that most victims came from Muslim families…

    • CFM
      Posted July 25, 2016 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

      He was the son of Muslim parents, but apparently not religious.

      Maybe his “manifesto” will tell us something about his motivation, as he seems to have planed to do this for a long while. Maybe his friend, who may have known what was about happen, will help us to understand what he did? All we know by now is: He was apparently both depressed/ suicidal and had an anxiety disorder, he was deeply fascinated by rampage shootings, he loved playing ego-shooter computer games, and he had himself been a victim of violence in the past.

      Did he, as scepticalhippo wrote, specifically target non-Germans? We do not know.

      All this speculation does not really help anybody.

      • somer
        Posted July 25, 2016 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

        the political reason is very relevant if there is one.

  4. Posted July 25, 2016 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Reblogged this on The Logical Place.

  5. Woof
    Posted July 25, 2016 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Serious question: What’s the point of the Bavarian interior minister announcing that this moron blowed himself up for ISIS? It would seem to me to be counterproductive.

    • Posted July 25, 2016 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

      Well, for one thing that news would eventually get out and he’d be accused of a cover-up.

      • Woof
        Posted July 25, 2016 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

        I’m not saying they should deny it, just that they shouldn’t promote it.

    • Posted July 25, 2016 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

      I do not think that knowledge is counterproductive. We must know the power of the enemy.

      • Woof
        Posted July 25, 2016 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

        I can’t think of anything useful that the general public can do with that information. The anti-terrorism folks would know all about it of course.

        • Posted July 25, 2016 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

          The general public may reconsider Germany’s policy to shelter masses of refugees instead of intervening abroad. I think this policy is exactly what ISIS wants: to have unchallenged (by Germany at least) control over territories and natural resources and to sent to the West thousands of refugees infiltrated by its members, or even if not infiltrated at present, susceptible to future recruitment.
          I think the elite of a democratic country should not keep the masses in the dark while forcing them to bear the burden of its decisions. It already tried this when it attempted to cover up the New Year attacks on women.

    • somer
      Posted July 25, 2016 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

      what happened to free speech? People have a right to know what the hell is going on when the motivation is political – particularly if it a coherent political cause supported by an extremist movement or state. Feeds into the niaive attitude that we must assume we are to blame and there is nothing we can ever do in the line of tighter internal security, better coordination/communication between wings of security forces etc. It also frankly dispels the centre and encourages ratbags on both sides – the Cory Bernardis and Pauline Hansons (Im sure theres plenty on the net) versus the Greens whose environmentalism is important but whose first priority is actually naive and often regressive political causes.

      • Woof
        Posted July 25, 2016 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

        Free speech doesn’t enter into it. I’m just suggesting that the government deny free advertising to ISIS.

        As for the rest… you’re taking this WAY beyond anything I said (or thought).

        • somer
          Posted July 26, 2016 at 4:54 am | Permalink

          I didn’t mean to criticise you as saying it gives too much publicity to whoever is the perpetrator/backer. But rather, there are some who say we shouldn’t be concerned or shouldn’t ever imply criticism of Islam because we are to blame for whatever happens etc. Or that Islam can not encourage violence etc. Of course so do the other religions, only I believe that they have changed except for a small minority of believers, and that despite what is said they don’t control the state.

          • Cindy
            Posted July 26, 2016 at 9:11 am | Permalink

            I heard this recently…and I think that it is a good illustration of the difference between a ‘moderate’ Muslim and a ‘moderate’ Christian..

            The moderate Muslim will show up at a square in Saudi Arabia to watch a beheading.

            The moderate Christian will oppose, if not outright try to prevent a beheading.

  6. somer
    Posted July 25, 2016 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Very sad. And unfair to refugees in that its just as often migrants for equivalent numbers – and its happening now because ISIS are pressed at the moment. But its still real and not to be denied.

    Regressive leftists encourage and validate the following sort of thing from our most senior Islamic cleric, Chief Mufti of Australia Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammed, who issued a brief statement to the media on the Bataclan killings in Paris late last year.

    Following a couple of lines of “We would like to convey our deepest condolences to family and friends …..”
    the statement moves to
    “These recent incidents highlight the fact that current strategies to deal with the threat of terrorism are not working. It is therefore imperative that all causative factors such as racism, Islamophobia, curtailing freedoms through securitisation, duplicitious foreign policies and military intervention must be comprehensively addressed.”

    This is nothing to the last Chief Mufti who was Sheik Hilali (who was obliged to step down) after his 2006 sermon exonerating the actions of jailed gang rape leader Bilal Scaf (his sentence had been commuted to 25 years well before the time of Hilalies speech). Hilali also demonised non Muslims as doomed for hell, and advocated that any non veiled woman leaving the house without a male relative is responsible for rape and in an islamic society she would be the one punished for it. The Arabic recording was translated by a member of the multicultural Broadcasting Service (SBS), and appeared in full in the conservative Australian newspaper, where no one else would touch more than a line or maybe two and only the bit about unveiled women being “uncovered meat” who attract “cats”. The university chat at the time was only that the scandal made lives difficult for young muslim men because of Islamophobia.
    Prior to that

    Hilali had always been known for anti semitic statements and in 2004 he was recorded in Beirut addressing Hezbollah, this time by a spy not a congregation member. The result was actually published on the ABC
    In it he says amongst other things
    “Don’t be surprised if one day you hear the Muezzin calling for prayer and saying “Allah Akbar (Allah is Great)” from the top of the white house. September 11 is God’s work against oppressors. Some of the things that happen in the world cannot be explained; a civilian airplane whose secrets cannot be explained if we ask its pilot who reached his objective without error, who led your steps? (An allusion to 7/11) Or if we ask the giant that fell, who humiliated you? Or if we ask the President, who made you cry? God is the answer.”
    “I’m telling you that there are no English Korans left in Australia or America or Europe. Everyone is converting to Islam: soldiers, pilots, engineers… those who are spending money to stop the ways of God will spend their money but will be defeated eventually. Trust me my dear friends.”

  7. P. Puk
    Posted July 25, 2016 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    This guy was suicidal and had already attempted it twice. Yet Islam says suicide is haram. So, if you want to go to paradise you can kill some infidels because the Koran promises a direct trip to paradise for that. Sick religion. Sick people.

  8. Cindy
    Posted July 25, 2016 at 10:00 pm | Permalink


  9. Posted July 26, 2016 at 3:46 am | Permalink

    Hi guys and girls,

    A message from Europe (that is excluding UK?). Why do we highlight this type of attack? We should not because:
    1. giving attention will only create more fear and that is just what ISIS wants.
    2. it is a tragedy for the individuals, but as a statistic is not worth highlighting, because more people die daily on the road, as a results of normal crimes etc.
    3. do you mention every attack in the USA. There are more shootings and casualties daily in the USA than this one occasion in so many years.
    4. As Mr Pinker made clear in The better angels: we have less crime today and terrorist will always lose.

    keep up the good work (being evolotion, progressive voices, liberty etc)

    kind regards Gerard

    • somer
      Posted July 26, 2016 at 3:50 am | Permalink

      I dont agree with Pinker that it will all go away by itself. The issue is multifaceted beyond just terrorism but it affects us all and we should not be shut down about it

    • CFM
      Posted July 26, 2016 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

      What do you propose? People will be afraid whether you “highlight” such attacks or not.

      Do you want to lie to the public? Right wing fearmongers all over Europe are already telling people they are being lied to. Any attempt to play down the attacks would help them to gather even more voters.

      How can we possibly find a way to defend our societies against these attacks if we do not acknowledge them as the threat they are?

      The victims are not a “statistic”, they are individuals who die in horrible ways at the hands of their very neighbors. “Ignoring” their fate would be wrong in so many ways.

      As a German blogger asked concerning the many voices on the German media proposing something similar – “we need to get used to it”/ “more people are dying of xy…”: Would people propose the same concerning right wing extremist violence? “Oh well, it may be a tragedy for the victims, but you more likely to have an accident than to be killed by neonazis…” Really?

      • Cindy
        Posted July 26, 2016 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

        Oh well, it may be a tragedy for the victims, but you more likely to have an accident than to be killed by neonazis…” Really?


  10. Posted July 26, 2016 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    Just read an interesting article by a french psychiatrist and anthropologist (curious combination…). He claims that by going on talking about “mass murderers” (his term) like this after the act is done is playing into the hands of Daech (his term, again) by giving them exactly what they want: publicity. The more we play them up, the more poor schmucks who want to get back at the world and go out with a bang will be easily recruited.

  11. Cindy
    Posted July 26, 2016 at 6:00 am | Permalink

    Normandy siege: knifemen ‘shouted Daesh and slit 86-year-old priest’s throat’ after taking nuns hostage in church before being shot dead

  12. Doug Karr
    Posted July 26, 2016 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    At I know accuracy and knowledge are very important. The US Army does not have bases. (Except fire bases in combat zonee.) They have POSTS. It is an Army post. They may also be called barracks or Garrison (As in this particular case in Ansbach) In Germany they may also be called Kasernes. However, never a base.

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