Another nightclub shooting in Florida kills two, injures 14

Is there going to be a day when I wake up and don’t hear of some mass shooting? The latest is in Fort Myers, Floriday, at yet another Floriday nightclub (no indication that the club is gay). NBC reports:

Two people are dead and at least 14 others injured after a shooting at a Fort Myers, Florida, nightclub, according to Captain Jim Mulligan of the Fort Myers Police.

The shooting took place in the parking lot of Club Blu Bar and Grill, according to CNN affiliate WINK.
Police didn’t say how many shots were fired but at least 30 yellow evidence markers were placed placed around the front of establishment.
Injuries ranged from minor to life threatening. All victims were transported from the scene by Lee County Emergency Medical Services to area hospitals. Police are working to identify the deceased.
A Facebook flier advertised a “Swimsuit Glow Party” at the establishment Sunday night. The flier said that no identification would be required to enter, meaning the party was open to all ages.
Gunshots at the Parkway Street scene hit property hit and one person was grazed by a bullet, according to WINK.
An all-out search for people involved in the incident is underway, police said.
The Lee County Sheriff’s Office stopped a vehicle that had a suspect in it, Mulligan added, but did not give any additional detail about the stop.


  1. Cindy
    Posted July 25, 2016 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    If the killer turns out to be a Muslim, remember folks, it has nothing to do with Islam.

    It is just a coincidence that many of the “insane” people who are engaging in mass/axe/machete/truck/bomb murders are believers of Islam.

    • Posted July 25, 2016 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

      I have an idea. Why doesn’t the state of Florida change the law that forbids concealed carry of firearms in any place where alcohol is served to the public? Change it to saying that only CCW permit-holders may carry concealed in places where alcohol is served.
      Then encourage bartenders to not serve alcohol to anyone who is visibly impaired, and encourage *everybody* to take the training, take the test, get CCW permits, and carry concealed firearms *everywhere* in public. The next time some devotee of The Prophet starts to open up on a public gathering-place, he’ll find that it isn’t such a Soft Target after all. Or is that too practical a solution?

      • somer
        Posted July 26, 2016 at 3:54 am | Permalink

        I think proliferation of guns is not good

  2. somer
    Posted July 25, 2016 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Remember its no worse than modern day Christianity and if we just are more receptive to Islamic culture they will start to forgive us (maybe in a couple of hundred years or so) for all the terrible ills we have done them. We should have let the Turks and the Mongols and the Berbers and the Arabs invade us. Our penance for being colonisers ourselves for a few decades in some genuinely islamic lands (as opposed to India) should be to “embrace” Islam. We will find its faaaar more tolerant than we are. Just like

    Anyway the extremism is really only Wahabbis or only Salafis and they are only developed as a response to the West and now are supposedly supported by the West. Same goes for Islamic treatment of women We’re to blame folks, its the only acceptable, non racist line apparently. Apparently the real, medieval Islam was never like this.

    Quran 8:55 says “The basest creatures in the sight of God are the faithless who will not believe; those who time after time violate their treaties with you and have no fear of God.” Verse 7:177 says “Evil is the tale of those that denied Our revelations. Recount to them these parables, to that they may take thought”. Verse 7:179 says that unbelievers are like cattle – but more misguided. Verse 5:51 says “Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends of one another”. A few lines later (5:60) Jews are described as worse than “Those whom God has cursed and with whom He has been angry, transforming them into apes and swine.
    Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2925; Muslim, 2921
    You will fight the Jews and prevail over them, until the rocks will say, ‘O Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, kill him. Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. (Qur’an sura Sad, 48:29 Dawood translation)

    The Jews say Ezra is the son of God, whilst the Christians say the Messiah is the son of God. Such are their assertions by which they imitate the infidels of old. God confound them! How perverse they are! (Qur’an Al-Tawba 9:30, N.J.Dawood 2003 edition)

    In verses 5:82-86 the Qur’an says Jews and pagans are the most resistant to the right path, but some Christians are willing to heed the Apostle and they are rewarded by God. “But those that disbelieve and deny Our revelations (Allah’s revelations to Muhammad in the Qur’an) shall become the inmates of hell.” (Dawood translation).

  3. somer
    Posted July 25, 2016 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    In the last few years Ive acquired the MEDIEVAL Hidaya guide to the Islamic Laws which has 10 chapters (Institutes section) urging unending war on non Muslims for the temerity to not be Muslim. This is the jurists guide of the Hanifa school (considered so moderate) but the guide of the Shaafi school (also considered so moderate) says exactly the same (e.g. Reliance of the Traveller, Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, in Jihad section under Justice pp 598-609 and the war duties of the Caliph pp646-647 o25.9 whose first duty is held to be raising and deploying armies in the frontier areas (some bordering infidel lands specified in the Hidaya as Darul Harb or the abode of war) and another one of the eight duties is undertaking jihad in the infidel lands. I hear the Maliki school is just as intolerant on this front and of course the Hanbali school (which the Wahabists do actually consult in Saudi) even more so. Only the Hanifi school thinks infidels like Hindus who are not of Abrahamic faiths or Zoroastrians should be given a chance to pay jizya (infidel poll tax) to keep property and lives without converting – the other 3 schools think only death or conversion is acceptable.

    Islamic states are taken in both these books and by many medieval scholars – to be religiously obligated by the Quran to fight non muslims and never abandon this war. Numerous quran verses indicate this for example The Qur’an Al-Anfal 8:38-39 (N.J. Dawood translation) says :
    Tell the unbelievers that if they mend their ways their past shall be forgiven; but if they persist in sin, let them reflect apon the fate of bygone nations
    Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme.
    or Hadith Bukharih
    “I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay Zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And their final reckoning is with Allah.”

    In both the books it says that truces are allowed for a maximum of 10 years only so long as they are beneficial to the cause (e.g. they are a source of temporary tribute or they give time for the Muslims to recoup their military forces for a more successful operation
    . A conquering Islamic commander may decide to take permitted amounts of the property of the infidel vanquished as booty but otherwise allow them to be dhimmis, keeping religion, life and property but paying extra tax and submitting to islamic rule in all matters except religion. The commander may, however decide to kill the males and enslave the women. Or take captives in exchange for ransom.

    According to both the Shaafi and Hanifi books also, Jihad as war is known as lesser jihad as opposed to greater jihad (the spiritual jihad, which is religious practise and teaching) but the lesser jihad is still obligatory on the Muslim community as a whole. As long as some of the muslims are fighting, then the others commit no sin, but it is a grave sin on the whole community if none do. Everyone , male and female, young and old must fight if the community is surrounded by infidels.

    • somer
      Posted July 25, 2016 at 10:57 am | Permalink

      PS Zakat is the poor due of 2.5 % of Assets that Muslims who are not poor themselves should pay for the poor and for maintenance of the religion through mosque building and other purposes. Analogous with medieval Church tithes which 10% of produce/income

  4. somer
    Posted July 25, 2016 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Law enforcement sources say the Fort Myers Florida shooting was “definitely not terrorism”

    My point though is I see so much regressive apologism around the net for attacks that are Islamist inspired.

    • Cindy
      Posted July 25, 2016 at 9:38 am | Permalink

      My point though is I see so much regressive apologism around the net for attacks that are Islamist inspired.


      At one time I was with the regressives, believing that if you dug deep enough, you would find that despair and economics were at the heart of all violent Islamic behaviour, and that religion was just a cover. I have since revised that view after reading PCC and learning about political Islam. The fact is, Tibetans are not murdering Chinese – yet the Muslim Uighurs are. Jewish people are not taking revenge on the entire Western world for the holocaust (and you could argue that if any group has a legit grievance, it is the Jewish people). If you push an extreme Jain to the breaking point, they will not bomb your cities.

      And what I have seen is that many Islamists take pride in their beliefs. They think that raping 9yo Yazidi girls is moral and just. They think that it is their God given right to force Islam on the rest of the world. That non-believers are inferior. That after living a life of debauchery, that murdering civilians will be a ticket straight to heaven. And idiot regressives infantilize Islamists, telling them that no, you bear no responsibility for your actions, it’s all us! Your poor baby! What a disgusting bunch of BS, often from people who are woefully ignorant re Islam.

      At any rate, I have just started watching this youtube series by “The Masked Araba” – he takes apart the Koran. In the video below, he talks about why Islamists murder civilians:

      The Masked Arab: Islam and Isis – Killing Innocent Civilians

      And these two videos below (by Dr. Layman and EgyptianSphinx, who is an ex-Muslim American) had me in stitches – it is a mockery of how the regressive left treats violent Islamists like children:

      UN Calls ISIS Part 1

      UN Calls ISIS Part 2

      And lastly, I find that many regressives defend all Islamists unthinkingly because they personally know freedom loving Muslims in their own towns and cities. But, what they don’t realize, is that these freedom loving Muslims left their countries precisely because they wanted to escape theocracy, and that not all Islamists are like this. These Islamists take great pride in their religion and their culture. They see Westerners as inferior beings.

      • somer
        Posted July 25, 2016 at 11:08 am | Permalink

        Thanks Cindy – looked at all the videos – the one on civilians was interesting and I had a good laugh at the UN calls ISIS skits. People on this site are reasonable but like you I can’t believe the pushback on many sites that should be well informed and reasonable. The Conversation i would never comment on and the ABC whilst it has excellent reporting on most things and hard pressed journalists seems to attract almost exclusively regressive left commentators on the topic of Islam at least – you just simply can’t get through to them – you get abused and too much of the time they refuse to put your point up

  5. somer
    Posted July 25, 2016 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Fort Myers shooting Motive: “Definitely Not terrorism” Police authorities say.

    However my point was that I have seen so many regressive left apologists on other sites during the past week – and generally – who blame every genuine Islamic terror attack on the west.

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