With great relief, Stephen Fry leaves Twitter

I used to use Twi**ter only to post links to pieces that appeared on this site, but then I expanded a bit, posting articles I found interesting but had no time to write about. (My model for this was Steve Pinker, a most judicious Tweeter.) And, very rarely, I’ve tw**ted to someone, but only once or twice (one P. Cunk comes to mind).

But one thing I’ll never do is engage in Twi**er battles with other people. While it makes for good drama on the websites of those who thrive on that sort of stuff, you really can’t have a substantive discussion in 140 characters. All too often people resort to name-calling. Rarely have I seen constructive interchanges. (Tweets do, however, give us a view into the mindsets of those who have no filter between their reptilian brain and their fingers, like one well known plagiarizer.)

Stephen Fry has finally seen the light. In a post on his website this morning, “Too many people have peed in the pool,” he’s announced that he’s taking a Twi**er hiatus—probably permanently. And good on him! He pulls no punches:

It’s no big deal – as it shouldn’t be. But yes, for anyone interested I have indeed deactivated my twitter account. I’ve ‘left’ twitter before, of course: many people have time off from it whether they are in the public eye or not. Think of it as not much more than leaving a room. I like to believe I haven’t slammed the door, much less stalked off in a huff throwing my toys out of the pram as I go or however one should phrase it. It’s quite simple really: the room had started to smell. Really quite bad.

Although it’s the ideological battles that have soured him, even atheists have peed in his pool!

To leave that metaphor, let us grieve at what twitter has become. A stalking ground for the sanctimoniously self-righteous who love to second-guess, to leap to conclusions and be offended – worse, to be offended on behalf of others they do not even know. It’s as nasty and unwholesome a characteristic as can be imagined. It doesn’t matter whether they think they’re defending women, men, transgender people, Muslims, humanists … the ghastliness is absolutely the same. It makes sensible people want to take an absolutely opposite point of view. I’ve heard people shriek their secularism in such a way as to make me want instantly to become an evangelical Christian.

I find it absolutely impossible not to like Stephen Fry: he’s funny, multitalented, larger than life, honest about his depression and his sexuality, and just plain loveable. Yet I hear from others that he’s been the repeated target of Twi**er hatred, and I simply can’t understand why. If someone like him is the target of opprobrium, nobody is safe. Of course those who court or enjoy controversy get the pushback that comes along with that kind of stuff, but I wasn’t under the impression that Fry was, for instance, like W*rl*m*n.  He takes his leave graciously:

But Stephen, these foul people are a minority! Indeed they are. But I would contend that just one turd in a reservoir is enough to persuade one not to drink from it. 99.9% of the water may be excrement free, but that doesn’t help. With Twitter, for me at least, the tipping point has been reached and the pollution of the service is now just too much.

But you’ve let the trolls and nasties win! If everyone did what you did, Stephen, the slab-faced dictators of tone and humour would have the place to tthemselves. Well, yes and they’re welcome to it. Perhaps then they’ll have nothing to smell but their own smell.

So I don’t feel anything today other than massive relief, like a boulder rolling off my chest. I am free, free at last.

Do readers here use Tw**er? If so, do you use it to get information, enjoy drama, or to simply communicate with others in a non-rancorous way? My own view, which is mine, is that if you have a website on which to write at length, there’s simply no need for Twi**er to communicate anything other than articles that you wish others to see. And Fry does have his own website.

174 Comments

  1. Kevin
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    I do not use Twi**er but I have always imagined its users to be primarily young, bored, easily distracted, or all of the above.

    Back to work.

    • Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

      You are wrong about its users. I use it for a variety of things, but mostly as an endless stream of people whose opinions I respect saying, “Here’s an interesting article you might want to read.” I follow a lot of scientists who link to science articles, political analysts who link to politics articles, and football analysts who link to football/sports articles. Also, in between, I get some really funny ones from comedians, and great wildlife photos and video from field researchers or wildlife photographers. It’s great for breaking news (I found out Scalia died on Twitter before it made it to the NY Times). And sometimes watching a Twitter fight from the stands is surprisingly entertaining. I almost never tweet anything myself, and if I do, it’s usually to ask a question. Sam Harris tweeting something about meditating a while back and I tweeted back to him the question “Why is it important to sit with your back straight?” He replied that if you do it lying down you’re likely to fall asleep. That’s the beauty of twitter right there – Sam Harris sends out an interesting thought, I ask him a question about it, and he responds. But mostly it’s great for the articles; I get to enjoy hundreds of amazing articles I would never have found on my own. Also, I forgot articles about history – I get lots of good recommendations from Tom Holland and ancient history and medieval twitter accounts.

      • Ken Elliott
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

        My use of Twitter is very much like yours, ‘paco’. I use it to see what those I find interesting have to say or post. I get tweets from some scientists, from some comedians, sfrom some artists, from some actors. It has been my great joy to have directly communicated with Ms. Cunk, with Maajid Nawaz and Maryam Namazie and Jeffrey Tayler, with Maggie Mull and Giselle Eisenberg, with Chick McGee and Costaki Economopolous, with several known CrossFitters, with Jeannie Gaffigan – wife of Jim the comedian, and perhaps one or two I’m not remembering. For an average Joe like me to communicate with folks like that is a nice little guilty pleasure. None of that compares to talking with Jerry via email about squirrel pics, though. I have learned a TON from Jerry and the WEIT Commentariat, even at this late stage of life, and it’s been a thrill. Talking directly is quite exciting. I guess you could say I am easily star struck?

        • Daniel
          Posted February 15, 2016 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

          I agree with and echo the sentiments of both Ken and Paco. I am a big boxing and MMA fan, so I follow a lot of my favorite fighters. Sometimes you get two guys that truly dislike each other and twitter becomes a sort of psychological battleground in the months and weeks leading up to a match. Sometimes the back-n-forth battles on twitter can be quite entertaining. One such fighter that instantly comes to mind is the walking, talking, one man reality show, “The Notorius Conor McGregor”(a young fighting sensation from Dublin Ireland) Often times, come fight day, the suspense has been built up so much that it makes for an even more exciting fight. Other times you can get a sense that one guy has gotten so far into the other guys head that it actually takes the guy off his game in such a way that you can feel the defeat before the fight even begins. It certainly adds a new dimension to combat sports. In the end, the guys are true professionals, and after they have beaten the crap out of each other, it usually ends in a show of respect via a “man-hug” followed by kind words from the victor to the defeated in the post-fight interview.
          How cool would it be to watch Sam Harris and G.Greenwald throw on some boxing gloves and finally settle their differences in an old fashioned boxing match! Although, I have my doubts about GG ever recanting any of the jabs he’s poked at Sam on twitter lol.

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

        Yes, I like that you have access to experts. I once asked a person on Twitter (he specializes in debunking woo) if there were articles debunking some diet I kept seeing books abou. In minutes he replied with an excellent article.

      • Alexander Hellemans
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

        And you still have time to cook your health-food dinners?

        • Dawn Oz
          Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

          I follow the best and brightest – short, sharp, informative and witty. Stephen needed someone to cull those on his list – one insult and they are off. He is such a treasure, and only troglodytes would attack him.

          • gravelinspector-Aidan
            Posted February 16, 2016 at 5:44 am | Permalink

            You:

            and only troglodytes would attack him.

            And PCC(E):

            If someone like him is the target of opprobrium, nobody is safe.

            You’re both correct. But unfortunately the corollary is true. No one is safe.
            This doesn’t only apply to Twitter.

      • Posted February 15, 2016 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

        I should have read your post first. You articulated the positive of Tw**er better than I did. I would also add, it’s fun to hashtag. #AwesomeSauce

        • infiniteimprobabilit
          Posted February 15, 2016 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

          What’s a hashtag? The output of a MD5?

          cr

          • gravelinspector-Aidan
            Posted February 16, 2016 at 5:57 am | Permalink

            What’s a hashtag?

            It took me a time to work that out for myself. It’s a way of flagging a phrase as a search term, which Twitter will automatically keep track of. The form is “#[[a-z,A-Z].]” (if I recall my RegExps correctly. On detecting that, twitter see if the tag is in the list of active tags, and either increments the counters, or makes a new counter.
            Amongst other things (I’m sure), the hashtags are used to generate a list that is meant to mean something to each user. How the hell they do that I neither know nor care, but since my list just now is
            #CharityTuesday
            Glastonbury
            #1DROAST
            #TravelTuesday
            #poledancedebate
            #CKG16
            Manny Pacquiao
            Annie Power
            Kendrick Lamar
            Emma Thompson

            I can only even approximate what two of those terms mean, which I take as a good sign that Twitter doesn’t know much about me. Unlike Facebook, which knew enough to suggest I might “friend” someone whose I’ll decorate with a blunt instrument if I ever see again. which is why I now lie to Facebook, and mark all adverts as “irrelevant” and “sexually explicit” regardless of content.

            • Rory
              Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:41 am | Permalink

              An interesting thing about Twitter hashtags is that they are a user created feature. People started using them first, as an easily searchable piece of text grouping related tweets, and only later did Twitter start hyperlinking them, publishing lists of trending hashtags, etc.

              • gravelinspector-Aidan
                Posted February 16, 2016 at 7:10 am | Permalink

                Your use of twitter obviously pre-dates mine.

  2. Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Do readers here use Tw**er?

    Yes, but the main use is as a highly configurable news and information feed. You can follow a set of people or organisations who tweet links on exactly the topics you’re interested in.

    • JM
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:18 am | Permalink

      I agree. While I have an account I rarely tweet. However, I find Twitter an important source of news on the topics I find interesting. Always up to date and breaking news is better than radio….

    • Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:47 am | Permalink

      Yes, it’s a pretty good news feed, with an information flow that necessarily follows one’s taste. A good idea to follow some villains in amongst the great and the good, to vary the diet.

      I very rarely tweet, since no-one would be interested in what I say (incredibly). Twitter is much busier than any personal blog (or website!) could be, so tweets are at the same time more ephemeral but potentially more viral than longer musings. Reading Jon Ronson’s “So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed” is a little worrying.

  3. Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    I only dabble in Twitter, my followers number in the few dozen. It’s possible some of them are even real people. I find the experience mostly bland. But then I avoid the insanity, and I just can’t take it seriously.

    Why anyone should care about anything written in 140 characters is a mystery to me.

  4. Charlie Jones
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    I do not use twitter. I like to deliver one-liner jokes, but the lack of ‘tone’ means that many of the jokes would be misconstrued and offense would inevitable.

    Also, and more importantly, I really can’t see why anyone would want to read my tweets. Don’t they have anything better to do? And wouldn’t I rather just deliver my jokes in person?

  5. Blue Sky
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    I think twitter makes one realize more about the nature of internet.
    I’m trapped by twitter or internet in general. A window to the world.

    Twitter is more like real world and not a place where people write..I feel like I’m saying things there. Right now I feel like I have to be more precise how I’m writing.

    Twitter is a great source of information and sometimes you can discuss with people somewhat. It’s not all just endless fighting.
    There’s the block and mute buttons anyway.

  6. frednotfaith2
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    I have a twitter account but it’s mostly dormant and I haven’t followed anyone. It doesn’t have any great appeal for me and I certainly have many more entertaining ways to waste my spare time.

  7. Blue
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    I do. Not terribly fond of it and have, as well, only used it to contact another twice. I have my own website for longer, more “substantive,” er, developed writings.

    Usual twitter posts are as of this one just put up there thusly — a quite “non – rancorous” statement, not ?

    “& Dee’s & Bruce’s sw Iowa’s Back 40:
    the cows’ Valentine message of… …
    ‘beef mine!’ http://tinyurl.com/jsbr8ny

    In line w another’s twitter message written in sheep, this one is written in Iowa’s wintertime Bovidae … …

    Blue

  8. GBJames
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    When I post something on Facebook it gets rebroadcast on Twitter. I must have set that up sometime in the ancient past but honestly don’t remember doing it. Otherwise I rarely go look at it. If someone got in a Twitter-war with me I would probably not know it.

  9. Randy Schenck
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Do not and never would use twitter.

    Think of it as working in a place that is open to the public for free – Such as a public rest room.

  10. Paul S
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    I can’t even read tw**ts what with their hashtag thingys in the middle of sentences.

    • Diane G.
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

      You & me, both!

      • barlofontain
        Posted February 16, 2016 at 5:45 am | Permalink

        I think you guys need to #getuptodate, it’s just #thewayitisnow

        (that took surprisingly long to type, I kept putting in spaces)

        • infiniteimprobabilit
          Posted February 16, 2016 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

          And even that short sentence I find #@$%&%$annoying!!!!!# to read.

          As I do some wannabe-trendy newsreaders (usually reporting some piece of trivia masquerading as news) who actually say it, as in ‘hashtag-[somebullshitphraseijustmadeup]’

          cr

          • Diane G.
            Posted February 17, 2016 at 12:35 am | Permalink

            You & me, both! 😉

  11. Graham
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    I use Twitter a lot. Probably* too much. I find it’s useful for getting news updates, interesting articles and daily funnies.

    *Definitely

  12. Scott Draper
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Never saw the point of Twitter. It makes anyone look stupid. That said, I’ve subscribed to a half dozen feeds from people like Pinker, Harris, etc, but I look at the feed maybe once a month.

    • Merilee
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

      I have a twitter acct. and think I follow Pinker and Dawkins ( and Fry) , but have forgotten to look at my feed for months! I also seem to remember having some unknown followers, but since I’ve never tweeted myself, not sure why they’re following me…

      • BobTerrace
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

        Some places, it is know as stalking.

      • Scott Draper
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

        Yeah, I collected followers too…I’m guessing that many people do that so that you’ll follow them back.

  13. JohnH
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    I have never signed up for twitter and only go to a twitter site if something of interest is recommended from another source, such as WEIT. I recently read an essay by Linda Stone, a former Microsoft executive, where the term “continuous partial attention” was used, and not in a positive light. I agree with that sentiment and I think things like twitter only augment that type of behavior.

    • Diane G.
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

      Thanks, that will be a handy phrase (unfortunately).

  14. Diana MacPherson
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    I use Twitter as a way to gather information and I don’t bother with stupid arguments though occasionally I do engage with believers who are civil. I basically go by the same rules in meat space.

  15. troy
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    I use tw*tt*r as an aggregator of sorts. I do not post much but usually end up here from a tw*tt*r link as I ‘follow’ Jerry. included are journalist that post before their edited pieces that end up in the politicized press, along with several true liberals. in all honesty, I should add all of these people or their website to my favourites in my browser as tw*tt*r is seemingly in the gravity field of a black hole.

  16. Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Good for Stephen, he’s no longer a twit.

  17. Geoff Toscano
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    I really can’t be bothered with Twitter. Its 140 character limit has led to bizarre, very hard on the eye, shortforms which often render a tweet even more incomprehensible than it otherwise might have been.

    I much prefer to read a small number of proper blogs on subjects that interest me. Then if there’s something that catches the eye or that I disagree with I can go and research further. Twitter seems deliberately intended to generate lazy, headline type opinions, without any appeal to substance.

  18. David Duncan
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    No.

    I suppose the learning curve isn’t that steep but I wouldn’t spend one minute on it, from what I’ve seen of it. It’s inane.

  19. Blue Sky
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    I’m puzzled. Perhaps it’s best I stay on twitter. This is why I don’t like writing places like this. Not published.

  20. Stephen P
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Never had a Twitter account, and so far I’ve never seen a reason to consider creating one. I said at the outset that you couldn’t say anything worthwhile in 140 characters, and precious little counter-evidence has turned up.

    • Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:34 am | Permalink

      I said at the outset that you couldn’t say anything worthwhile in 140 characters …

      But you can give a link, and enough info as to what is in the link.

  21. Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Lots of comments from people who don’t use it, I see.

    I use Twitter occasionally to read and only rarely to post or engage with others. (I had a period when I read through my followees’s posts every morning, but I have an active commute now, and no longer have the just-sittin-on-public-transit time.) Twitter hasn’t just become what Fry describes — it always had that in it. The environment could scarcely be better designed to support the kind of ugly behavior that shows up there.

    The problem with Twitter is that it is both a semi-anonymous cesspool of trolls AND something that lots of organizations and individuals would like to use, with names attached, for reasons that vary from commercial to educational to earnest conversation about issues to simply sharing one’s art or personal projects. We (the larger we) don’t seem to be able to structure communities that have both good protections for people who need to be anonymous for safety reasons or to avoid other harms and that have good protections for named people who might be stalked, doxxed, and harassed, mob-style, by people using anonymity as a shield for their attacks. At least not without enormous rafts of costly and time-intensive moderation (which has its own issues).

    When I first joined Twitter, the feel was of an expanded text-messages app. It was, among other things, a way that groups could let individuals stay anonymous while enabling flexible, easily accessible planning of social gatherings. It’s a great example of one of those things that looked awesome when it was just your friends using it, but a glance at Gamergate makes it pretty obvious how poorly that scales among strangers. It’s kind of like head injuries in football: I don’t know how you could mitigate those risks in an effective and durable way without radically changing the game.

  22. Grania Spingies
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    I have had a Twitter account for years, and in general I’ve enjoyed it far more than other social media platforms like Facebook. But it all depends on who you decide to follow, and I suppose to what extent you get involved in Twitter “battles”.

    As countless people have pointed out, it is a hopelessly inadequate platform for having a nuanced or detailed conversation about anything, let alone making your position crystal clear on any given issue. That is on the whole not much of a problem for people like me – only a couple of hundred people follow me and none of them are the sort of person who feels that I need to be publicly humiliated or excoriated if I tweet something that they disagree with or think they might disagree with if they can take my tweet out of context. Or at least, if one such person does exist, I can ignore them or correct them.

    No such leeway is given to relatively famous people, be they TV actors, scientists, authors, activists or comedians. Basically, their “footprint” is too large, and even if the percentage of finger-wagging morality police amongst their readers is infinitesimally small, it still can amount to hundreds or thousands of people. Then add to this the hacks who write for click-bait online media; who gobble up these spats in delight and reproduce them on their tawdry sites with as much hyperbole and as many exclamation points as they can get away with.

    Neither the finger-waggers (who generally seem to think they they are achieving something of Rosa Parks-level significance), nor the gossip column hacks consider that their target du jour is a human that can be damaged. In fact the constant dog-piling and hyperbole is all too often blatantly intended to tar the target and damage their public reputation.

    I’m not really sure whether social media is doomed to fade away as a short decade-long experiment that ultimately failed. It will be a shame if it does. It was amazing to be able to say something to an author I admired, or ask a question of a scientist and get a reply all in a matter of minutes. It was the Internet’s greatest success – connecting everyone. Unfortunately, everyone means just that – everyone; and now we are finding that ‘everyone’ includes a subset of deluded and self-righteous people who are unbearably unpleasant.

    • Pierre Masson
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:15 am | Permalink

      17 tweets would have been required for your comment.
      🙂

    • Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

      Excellently stated. You probably covered everything, except perhaps one thing. Despite all the tribes at war, it still brings us together: you learn what is going on, and have the zeitgeist breeze through your room. Even if what we let isn’t always fresh air, but a particularily odious apparition for most the time.

      Its also the first time in human history where ordinary people write their own history, come together in movements and trends and disperse again, only moments later. There is something great about it, that all these people, from the random tweeter to Richard Dawkins are “just humans” in the best sense. A lot seem disappointed that the “Great Men” in history turn out to be merely people — I love it.

      • Grania Spingies
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

        Not just disappointed but vitriolically angry that the great leader that they absolutely definitely don’t pay any attention to or regard as a leader in any way, turns out to have grumpy days and less than eloquent moments and sometimes makes mistakes.

        • Blue
          Posted February 15, 2016 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

          re a very “great leader” having a “grumpy day and less than eloquent moment” about whom I found thus on twitter last Saturday:

          “””Blue mAAs ‏added @bluemAAs Feb 13

          And besides evolution this man,
          Mr Charlie Darwin, back in y1861,
          told it … … then
          LIKE IT SOMETIMES JUST – IS !

          ‘But I am very poorly today and very stupid and hate everybody and everything.’ Charles Darwin, 1861.”””

          per Maria @bloodymary_85 of http://www.twitter.com/bloodymary_85/status/693877889901658113

          Blue

          • Grania Spingies
            Posted February 15, 2016 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

            Hehehe, I knew I liked that man 🙂

    • Filippo
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

      “It was amazing to be able to say something to an author I admired, or ask a question of a scientist and get a reply all in a matter of minutes.”

      That certainly is nice when it happens, but it seems that one would almost constantly have to monitor ones digital device in order to be able to provide such timely responses.

      A NY Times article of a year or so described how not a few college students, up at all hours (and apparently possessed of some significant sense of entitlement), text university profs/instructors at more or less 3 a.m., and expect them to have replied by more or less 8 a.m. Were I a prof, I’d feel like something on the order of an indentured servant.

      I gather that more and more middle and high school students (and parents, administrators, and school boards?) expect teachers to similarly make themselves available after school hours. Even if they are teachers, they have – and are entitled to – lives outside of and separate from teaching, where they can leave the digital device turned off – if only for a couple of hours – if they so desire.

      To paraphrase the biblical, chiastic, admonition regarding the Sabbath: “The digital device was made for man, not man for the digital device.”

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:13 am | Permalink

      As countless people have pointed out, it is a hopelessly inadequate platform for having a nuanced or detailed conversation about anything,

      to be honest, that is by design. The (pending) increase in Tweet length to a Tweetleplex [a tweet^tweet ; in analogy to a googolplex being a 10^googol ; at least, that’s how I bet they’re going to market it. I also bet they’ll introduce it as an option for “paid for” accounts.] may make a change.

      let alone making your position crystal clear on any given issue.

      That has always been easy enough. Post your opinion to some web space you control (or have access to), and post a tweet to that : “I think this [LINK] about [that].” Unfortunately, 90%+ of anyone’s followers will not bother to follow the link.

  23. Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Too bad he’s leaving it, one of the few prominent contributors on it.
    I use it to link to my blog like yourself, and get caught up in a few trending issues that are fun. that’s about it.

  24. JonLynnHarvey
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Even Facebook, let alone a personal website, is a huge improvement over Twitter. FB has other shortcomings. (I have been absent for 18 months.)

  25. Stephen Barnard
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Never used it, don’t and never have had an account. Don’t see the point. What I see second hand isn’t encouraging.

    What Stephen describes reminds me of Usenet back in the old days. One turd in the reservoir is one too many.

  26. mordacious1
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Alas, the “We take offense at everything” brigade got him. It’s his choice, of course, but I think he should eventually return to Twitter. It’s not for me, but he obviously liked using it and you can’t let the bastards ruin what you enjoy. Just ignore them, they hate that more than anything.

    BTW, 80 degrees here in the Bay Area. How’s the weather in Chicago?

    • Rod
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

      What Bay are you talking about here? I wouldn’t mind being there.
      Eastern Ontario is basking in -20 C (-30 Sat night) weather… the dog only takes a few moments to do his business.

      • mordacious1
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

        THE Bay Area…San Francisco. It’s actually too hot for me, but preferable to -20 C

        • BobTerrace
          Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

          My home up north was -24C degrees last night; down here it’s +24C right now.

          • mordacious1
            Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

            I’m done with the severe cold. Born in Syracuse. Lived in Germany, Boston and the High Sierras. I’m tired of shoveling snow (formerly, one of my favorite pastimes) and having people slide toward me while I’m driving…scaring the crap out of me.

            • Diana MacPherson
              Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

              Or pacing beside you in slippery conditions!

        • Mark Sturtevant
          Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

          I visited in the summer several years ago. i regret that I did not bring my jacket. 🙂

          • Diana MacPherson
            Posted February 15, 2016 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

            Haha! Many a time I’ve seen tourists in shorts shivering near the Golden Gate Bridge. You need to have layers to be prepared if the fog rolls in.

            • loren russell
              Posted February 15, 2016 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

              “The coldest winter I ever saw was the summer I spent in San Francisco”
              — Mark Twain

              • ToddP
                Posted February 15, 2016 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

                Ha! I was just about to post that same quote.

                As a Bay Area native I heartily concur. Though it is actually very summer-like weather today. Too warm for my liking.

    • GBJames
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

      I spent last week in Pasadena. Although the locals were complaining about how it was unusually hot, for me it was wonderful to go out without a jacket. Friday I hopped on a plane and flew back to Milwaukee where it was, and is, very cold.

      I can’t wait for spring to arrive.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:15 am | Permalink

      Just ignore them, they hate that more than anything.

      Ignore who?

      • mordacious1
        Posted February 16, 2016 at 9:18 am | Permalink

        If you don’t know, then you’re the luckiest person in the atheist community and you’re really better off not knowing.

        • gravelinspector-Aidan
          Posted February 18, 2016 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

          Ignore the people who would hate being ignored more than anything.
          Who?
          [Shakes head. Cracks another can.]

  27. Nell Whiteside
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Welcome back and congratulations on a successful and interesting journey.

    Used appropriately, Twi**ter is a wonderful source of information – if you follow the professors and other informed people. I presume 99% of it is probably celebrity garbage but I don’t look for that.

    However, the trolls are pretty foul so I avoid reading the comments. I don’t think I would like to be at the receiving end of some of those uncouth, uneducated, illiterate and often ‘religious’ remarks. It seems that some humans get a kick out of being really nasty, but they spoil it for everyone else.

    Best wishes for Stephen Fry.

  28. Alexander Hellemans
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    What is interesting is that the physicist Lawrence Krauss tweetet about the discovery of gravitational waves with LIGO about 10 days before it was officially announced, thus contributing to a for science unprecedented news firestorm. Everybody was prepared, Le Monde had two full pages on how LIGO works.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:18 am | Permalink

      I’d have to check, but it was a lot more then 10 days.
      From the silence from other professional science journalism people, I deduced that they were inside the embargo and that there really was something brewing.

  29. Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    I played with Twitter for a bit and found it difficult. I like nuanced discussions. I like words. And I’m quite content to chat mostly with friends on Facebook. I guest post on a couple of blogs when I have something I really, really want to say to the world, which doesn’t happen often.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:19 am | Permalink

      Hey, cool name! Do you hear the rocks whispering in the dark?

  30. Barry Lyons
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    I like Twitter but don’t like Facebook. As one person said in a Twitter meme, “Twitter makes me want to have drinks with people I’ve never met. Facebook makes me want to throw drinks at people I already know.”

    As for Twitter accounts that I enjoy, there are quite a few. Neil deGrasse Tyson’s is a good one. As for those by people who aren’t in the public spotlight, @_Four_Horsemen is a favorite (you can guess by the Twitter name what this account is all about). As for an account that strictly about science, @EvolutionQA (Zoology Guy) is a good one.

  31. BobTerrace
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    I have never been a Twit and never will.

    I use Reuters, AP and Yahoo for news. I use Feedly for websites and blogs.

    • Diana MacPherson
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:05 am | Permalink

      Feedly is good. Flipboard is nice for the user interface.

  32. Gamall
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Despite being a tech-savvy computer scientist, and still quite young (if I do say so myself), and generally as opposed to Luddism as can be, I neither use nor understand the point of Twitter. Idem for Facebook, but Twitter is to me the most baffling of the two by far.

    (Note: I still don’t have a smart phone either).

    • Barry Lyons
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:12 am | Permalink

      I also don’t own a smart phone.

      I had a Facebook account for about two weeks and then I killed it. I much prefer Twitter.

      But I never understood why some people find Twitter “baffling.” It’s a public bulletin board. You post a comment/remark, someone responds or doesn’t. If you strike up a conversation with someone, you can “follow” them (and likely vice versa). That’s it, in a nutshell.

      • Gamall
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:45 am | Permalink

        > But I never understood why some people find Twitter “baffling.”

        Because when pointed to a tweet it’s nigh impossible to extract the coherent thread of its context. Nor is it conveniently searchable (perhaps with an account ? I know there are programming APIs with which I can do whatever you want, but meh.)

        Why write anything that just disappears into /dev/null or loses all context ? Why limit oneself to 140 chars ? There are much better tools to have conversations online.

        Perhaps there are hidden depth to it, but if so they are well hidden to me.

        [Chrome still does not autocomplete Name/Email fields, which makes commenting here a pain – it used to do it and then stopped a few months back – is there a known fix ?]

        • Barry Lyons
          Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

          I see your point about the thread. Clicking on “view conversation” goes a long way for understanding the context of a remark that’s been said in a dialogue that’s been going on for several tweets.

          You can search for things using Twitter Advanced Search (just type that phrase in your search engine).

          The limit of 140 characters may be coming to an end soon. We’ll know by April or May.

        • Diane G.
          Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

          Jerry’s asked WP and apparently nothing can be done to restore autofill unless he puts up with anonymous posts, which he does not want to do.

          I don’t think autofill’s working on any browser here, but if someone has a fix, please let us know!

      • Mark Sturtevant
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

        I held off on a smartphone, but I got one last summer. Now I cannot be without it.
        Join us. Become one of us. One of us…

        • Filippo
          Posted February 15, 2016 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

          I wonder what it’s like nowadays being a university prof, strapped to the main mast of inattention/distraction, in a lecture hall dealing with a multitude of bowed-head Ulysses entranced by the digital oracle.

          • Gamall
            Posted February 16, 2016 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

            In my experience: students here (France) have the basic decency to understand they ought not to be texting, and clumsily attempt to make themselves inconspicuous by hiding the phone under the table. The hunched, guilty posture is unmistakable. Because I am a big meanie, I tend to select my “volunteers” among them 🙂 Overall, not much of a problem.

            I haven’t yet had any of my more embarrassing classroom moments posted on YouTube. I see that possibility as an extra incentive to pay attention to what I do and say.

            Note that I deal with groups of 50 max, in interactive lessons (TD / TP) — perhaps it’s more bothersome in amphitheatres, but then you have many laptops out and for all you know the not so little devils are playing Quake. And sometimes they are. So smartphones are piffle in comparison.

  33. peter
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Never had an account, and never will. Dawkins is another fine example not to use a platform where you have to limit complex topics to posting short bites, opening you to misrepresentation, out of context quoting and misunderstandings at every turn.
    Fuck twitter

    • Barry Lyons
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:13 am | Permalink

      Yes, that has happened to Dawkins but never to Tyson. Most of his tweets are fun (and many are insightful).

      • Filippo
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

        In choosing which of the two to have a live in-person conversation with – and be allowed to complete a sentence without being interrupted/cut off, and never have to contemplate the need for earplugs – I think the choice pretty obvious.

        With Twitter and its ilk, for sure, at least one redeeming characteristic is that one cannot be interrupted mid-sentence.

  34. gluonspring
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    I have an account. I sent about ten tweets five years ago. Since only about five of my friends were on twitter, compared to virtually every single person I know on Facebook, it seemed pretty pointless.

    There are so many websites and Facebook feeds and email digests I get in my inbox that I can’t see any possible use for twitter as a news source. Nothing escapes the flood of news that already inundates me.

    The one place I have found twitter useful is for humor. The character limitations force people to pithy. For example, I can’t bear to watch any of the presidential debates for either party… it’s just too slow and painful. But I do watch Slate’s live twitter feed of “top commenters” divided into a conservative column and a liberal column. That is often hilarious, and gives me a sense of the debate without the pain of actually watching.

    • gluonspring
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:13 am | Permalink

      I swear there was a “be” there when I hit “post”. The be must have flown away.

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

        🐝 here, I found your be.

        • gluonspring
          Posted February 16, 2016 at 1:26 am | Permalink

          Thanks!

  35. Jeff Ryan
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Don’t have Twitter. Maybe I’m just a cranky old guy, but for me snail mail, email, the web and Facebook are quite enough. I never saw the use for Twitter (not that I’d know, having never used it), but what I’ve seen from the outside I really don’t like. Maybe it’s because of all the Donald Trump tweets I’ve seen. Taking a dip in THAT pool must be horrid.

    I notice that Twitter membership is on the decline. My younger friends tell me “Nobody uses Twitter anymore.” Other stories I’ve read corroborate that, though it may be a case of confirmation bias in my case. Strangely, though, I still talk with my friends, I’m still current on news. I don’t notice any big hole in my life. For that matter, I don’t even like having a cell phone.

  36. gluonspring
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    That Trump is so prolific and attuned to Twitter is, all on it’s own, a mark against him. He seems to me to be Twitter’s perfect representative, and to illustrate exactly what is wrong with the platform.

    • Robert bray
      Posted February 16, 2016 at 9:15 am | Permalink

      Any platform on which Trump stands is ‘wrong.’ At least Twitter limits each message to its character limit. When he talks on television, or before an audience, it is nothing but spewn logorrhea, a stream-of-consciousness by someone who is just barely conscious. ‘Benjy’ Compson comes to mind.

  37. Heather Hastie
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    I joined Twitter in 2011. Within six weeks I wanted to leave, but stuck with it. I found a really cool atheist community there, and as I have no atheists in the real world it was a place I could be myself.

    I’ve had battles with people who troll atheists, and reasonable discussions with theists who just want to understand atheism.

    It’s difficult to have substantive discussions obviously, but it’s easy to post links, pics etc, and it’s a great source for breaking news.

    I’ve always made a point of not getting nasty or abusive or anything like that on Twitter, which seems to help as a private individual. (I’m sure it wouldn’t if I was known in the slightest.)

    I far prefer it to Facebook, because on Facebook I have to be considerate of multiple family members, including young ones, so I can’t post according to my whole personality.

    Since I found WEIT, I rarely get into discussions on Twitter. WEIT is like a breath of fresh air after Twitter – more space to express yourself and a better atmosphere.

    I have almost 6,000 Twitter followers, so I still check it most days. I feel a responsibility to those who’ve made the effort to follow me. When I was on there a lot I could get hundreds of new followers a week, but it’s usually only a few a day now.

    • Diana MacPherson
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

      I think we are exactly the same wrt Twitter!

    • BobTerrace
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

      We like you being here also. Bring a select few of those thousands over here.

      • Heather Hastie
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

        That’s kind. Thank you. (I needed that today too! 🙂 )

        • Filippo
          Posted February 15, 2016 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

          May I presume to opine that I like the alliterative rhythm of your name?

          • Heather Hastie
            Posted February 15, 2016 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

            More than 52 years of life, and that’s a new one on me! 🙂

            I had a bit of trouble with my name on Twitter for a bit. Because it’s Twitter, and I call myself Heathen Heather there, the double “H”s in both names made some people think they were a fascist allusion and I started getting Nazis following me.

            (For those that don’t know HH = heil Hitler. The code 88, because H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, is also used.)

            • infiniteimprobabilit
              Posted February 15, 2016 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

              Oh FFS!

              And of course you come from New Zealand, which has ubiquitous HH symbols on every playing field…

              (p.s. I like ‘Heathen Heather’)

              cr

              • Heather Hastie
                Posted February 16, 2016 at 8:07 am | Permalink

                So ubiquitous, I’d forgotten about them. Do I lose Kiwi points for that?

              • infiniteimprobabilit
                Posted February 16, 2016 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

                “Do I lose Kiwi points for that?”

                I wouldn’t know, I’m a Pom. Any points I awarded would probably count *against* you 😉

                cr

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:32 am | Permalink

      I feel a responsibility to those who’ve made the effort to follow me.

      The effort being about two clicks (it’s been months since I saw reason to follow someone).
      I’m just trying to remember how to get the list of followers … oh, like that. 4 colleagues; one person I actually know; and one person who shares a name with someone I know, but isn’t, but does some cool work nonetheless.

      • gravelinspector-Aidan
        Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:33 am | Permalink

        Oh, Jerry posted the Hili dialogue while I was reviewing my followers.

      • Heather Hastie
        Posted February 16, 2016 at 8:10 am | Permalink

        I don’t know any of my followers in the real world, which I like.

  38. Merilee
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Sub

  39. grasshopper
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    May Stephen Fry give up tw*ttering as frequently as Bruce Gerencser gives up blogging.

    • Diane G.
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

      The article in which I read about this last night listed the previous times he’s given up on twitter, along with similar declarations by other celebrities, and how soon they got back on Twitter again…

  40. Gareth
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    I follow a small number of people for interesting reads, and for very very local news/events. And astronauts.
    I maybe check once a week or so.
    I have never made a single tweet though.

    Find it overall very meh. Its essentially a multi-cast text messaging service, with the ability to embed links, pics and short videos. It has its uses, just doesn’t do a lot for me.

  41. Jonathan Wallace
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    the problem with twitter as a medium for communication is that the limit of one hundred and forty characters does not leave enough space to

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:34 am | Permalink

      I think it was exactly enough space for you to make your point.

  42. Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    I use Twitter. I’ve used it to connect with people of like minds, especially atheists/post-christian focused individuals. The greater value is often being referenced off Twitter to something more in-depth. I enjoy light banter over sports and other issues at times.

    I follow topics by using Tweetdeck when I’m on my Macbook. I have columns for particular hashtags which highlights conversations I might want to jump in on now and then.

    That said, Twitter can be a cesspool, and I actually agree with Fry. Mob-shaming and hyper-sensitive offense-mongers make a mess out of what is a useful, if a bit trite, application.

  43. Stephen Zeoli
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    I use Twitter. I feel exactly the same as Mr. Fry… there are so many hateful people spewing gobs of bile. Even people whose opinions I generally support. I try to avoid that end of the pool as much as I can and swim with people who I’ve come to like, mostly because of the humor. It is remarkable to see how funny so many people are — in fact, I used to follow comics on Twitter, but they are not nearly as funny in 140 characters as so many non-professionals. Also, I follow people who are experts in areas that interest me… American History, Science, Environmentalism, etc… Twitter is a great way to find information I’m interested in, pre-vetted by experts.

    I think everyone on Twitter should be forced somehow to use their real name.

    • Stephen Zeoli
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

      To be totally honest, I need to add that I also find Twitter to be a good place to vent my political views, mostly in opposition to politicians who I vehemently disagree with and their supporters. That means, I occasionally cross into the vile bile end of the pool.

  44. Mark Sturtevant
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    I only visit the Tweet of God. And I do not have an account, nor do I want to.

  45. Al
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Twitter is for me like a superb news service. I get links to news, opinions and analysis from interesting people who are often experts in their field. I have never even witnessed a Twitter mob ganging up on someone – if someone I follow participates in a mob (and it spills into my feed), I unfollow him. It’s really simple: Twitter is what you make of it. Curate your feed, follow interesting people and don’t be afraid to cut them loose once their signal-to-noise ratio sinks. I find it much more useful than Facebook which is just for my real-life friends whereas Twitter allows me to follow people based on my interests.

  46. eric
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    I do not read twitter (except when it shows up on web pages and blogs), I do not receive twitter, I do not tweet.

    And while I think the information age has provided people with wondrous and magnificent means of communication and community building – and I wouldn’t turn the clock back even if I could – I think a lot of people get unhealthily obsessed with what other people whom they will only meet virtually think of them. Its not as unhealthy or kooky as caring about soap opera characters, but it has a similar descent-into-unreal-community feel to it. I’m sure many great friendships have been born and nourished online; I’m also pretty sure that the opinions and ‘community’ of 99% of the people you interact with online won’t be as important to your long term mental health or well being as your flesh and blood friends, family, close neighbors, workplace acquaintances, and so on. Us hairless apes don’t just need letters on a screen, we need physical presences. Touch. Its great when the net is used to expand or supplement RL engagement with other humans, but its a very poor substitute for that engagement. So if Fry stops interacting with online critics and stops caring what online people he’s never personally met think of him, and this reduces his stress, I’m all for it. IMO his choice is not analogous to becoming a hermit or cutting oneself off from society, its more like turning off the TV to go outside and play with friends.

    • gluonspring
      Posted February 16, 2016 at 1:40 am | Permalink

      I’m also pretty sure that the opinions and ‘community’ of 99% of the people you interact with online won’t be as important to your long term mental health or well being as your flesh and blood friends, family, close neighbors, workplace acquaintances, and so on.

      Or, indeed, your pet.

      • Diane G.
        Posted February 16, 2016 at 1:58 am | Permalink

        Whom you’ll never catch tweeting. (Unless your pet is a songbird, of course.)

        • gravelinspector-Aidan
          Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:37 am | Permalink

          Yet.
          Cat collar with a camera, a mobile data device, and a timer/ motion sensor that is trained to fire each time said cat catches an animal. Just as a feasible example.

          • Diane G.
            Posted February 17, 2016 at 12:48 am | Permalink

            Well, of their own volition, I should have said.

            But if someone can add a treat dispensing device that delivers every time a cat executes some desired behavior, then I suppose even that’s possible.

            • gravelinspector-Aidan
              Posted February 18, 2016 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

              Dr Pavlov, your bell is ringing!

              • Diane G.
                Posted February 19, 2016 at 2:49 am | Permalink

                Or B. F. Skinner, your pigeon is pecking…

  47. Gabriel
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Twitter is like fecesbook, a money making machine for the guys who owned them and virtually useless for everybody else. Their “genius” is making people believe otherwise.

  48. Walt Jones
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    I’m hoping that Twitter goes away before I have a reason to use it. Based on the comments here, I probably would enjoy getting links to breaking news and other interesting stories, but as it is, I barely have time to keep up with WEIT and similar sites that I follow.

    • Diane G.
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

      “…but as it is, I barely have time to keep up with WEIT and similar sites that I follow.”

      Exactly! It’s already been two years since I’ve vacuumed…

  49. kelskye
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    I like twitter because of its brevity. Ignore the drama, follow interesting people – it’s a fairly decent experience.

    Facebook, on the other hand, I question why the hell I’m on there. That place, at least for me, is full of self-righteous people preaching at (and getting outraged by) whatever evils they see in the world. Gets tedious.

    • Scientifik
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

      With its max 140 character limit, Tw*tter is admittedly a rather horrible medium to communicate with others or post one’s opinions, but with recent moves by the Scientific American and The Guardian (to name just two most recent examples) to limit reader’s comments on their articles, I guess it’s better for us to have even a flawed social-media platform like tw*tter, than become entirely passive recipients of all-too-often lazy journalism and biased articles.

      • Scientifik
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

        I’d like to just add that it’s ironic that whereas the Middle Ages gave us the printing press and the first mass production of books, the Information Age brought us the freaking 140 character tw**ts!

        Talk about progress! 🙂

        • gravelinspector-Aidan
          Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:44 am | Permalink

          Again, I refer the commenter to the (pending) change to 10000-odd character Tw*ts. The original design copied the 140 character limit on SMS messages, and that was designed to fit into the engineering limitations of “back channel” communications in the GSM protocol. It’s a stupid number, but not an unreasonable number.

  50. Hempenstein
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Last talk/lecture I went to, at the end the prancing primadonnas running the thing announced that they would take questions via Tw%%%er. Has anyone else ever run into that?

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:48 am | Permalink

      I’ve certainly seen questions being taken by Twitter. And that is likely to be a serious constraint, particularly for technical subjects.
      OTOH, if you’re live-casting your lecture/ conference, etc, then you do need to allow the remote viewers (get your eyes off that goat!) to interact. If your live-casting system doesn’t have a built-in chat channel, then Tw*er isn’t so bad a solution. Unless you can get a dedicated email account set up and a couple of people monitoring it.

  51. Posted February 15, 2016 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    One of my undergraduate professors has never owned a cell phone and is very proud of it. 16 years ago it was a quasi-cute foible; at this point he is actively irritating his friends and colleagues who can’t reach him when necessary.

    I don’t understand the view that eschewing new technologies somehow projects sophistication.

    • Diana MacPherson
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

      I wonder if at the cusp of the Iron Age if some soldiers echewed new swords for shitty Bronze Age ones.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

      There were advantages in *not* having a cell phone.

      Certainly in the early days when it was ‘trendy’ I flatly wouldn’t have one (because ‘trendy’ is anathema to me).

      I also never requested a work cellphone when all my colleagues did. Stopped them ringing me up after hours, that’s for sure.

      There was one big advantage *before* cellphone use – if I wanted to see a colleague three floors down, I’d ring him to check he was at his desk before making the hike. Then cellphones arrived with automatic redirection and I’d make the call and find I’d got the guy out on the road or on his day off having a barbecue with his family and have to apologise for the intrusion. Useless for a quick ‘are you there?’ check.

      In my last years at work I did acquire a phone – my own private one – and gave the number judiciously to a few colleagues and contractors who might genuinely need to contact me urgently. But a company phone that followed me everywhere – not a chance.

      cr

      • darrelle
        Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:51 am | Permalink

        Texting is good for quick “are you there?” checks or any time you want to give the other person the opportunity to respond when they wish, or even not at all.

        Mute and off buttons are also very handy. Phones these days have so many capabilities it really makes no sense to me not to use them. Unless one is an agoraphobic recluse, or determined to make a point, I bet they would come to find a smart phone very useful if they were to give it half a chance.

        • Posted February 16, 2016 at 8:29 am | Permalink

          Hear, hear!

        • Diana MacPherson
          Posted February 16, 2016 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

          Smart phones are great for agoraphobes. Not so much for recluses.

          We have a family friend who hates them so much that he openly mocks anyone using them. Landline phones are ok but Mobil phones are not. Clearly, there is something pathological going in this case beyond preference of technology.

        • infiniteimprobabilit
          Posted February 16, 2016 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

          No, texting is *not* good for a ‘are you there’?

          The point of a call to a desk phone was that it would only be answered if the person was actually at his desk, if he wasn’t it wouldn’t bother him. A text to a cellphone is just as much an intrusion as a cellphone call, more so if he’s driving. And (if he’s like me) he won’t even notice the text until half a day later.

          However, the ultimate stupidity in such matters was the automated visitor-log-in system that some IT genius installed at our work. Instead of the receptionist phoning me up to say ‘Mr Smith is here to see you’, the visitor now types their name into a computer, the name of the intended visitee (e.g. me), it gives them a little stick-on label and *it sends me an email*! Was there ever a more stupid and futile idea? So if I’m not at my desk, or too busy doing something to check emails, or my computer is down, the poor bastard is going to wait… and wait… and wait………….

          cr

          • Diana MacPherson
            Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

            There’s way less social overhead with a text. I’m not obliged to go through the small talk before I ask my question. Also, I don’t have to answer right away. Once I pick up that phone I’m in no matter what.

            • infiniteimprobabilit
              Posted February 16, 2016 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

              But the point was, if you weren’t at your desk, you wouldn’t hear the phone ring. So, *no* waste of your time, or of mine. Phone not answered, you’re not there. I’ll try again later.

              Unlike having to compose a text and someone having to read and answer it.

              cr

              • Diana MacPherson
                Posted February 17, 2016 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

                You can still put it on silent. When I don’t want to be bothered when I’m working, I don’t hear the phone. If I look at it, that’s on me. I only let certain calla be audible as well so I don’t miss emergencies.

    • Posted February 15, 2016 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

      I too am proud of not using a cell phone, and it is not because I eschew technology. I have been using computer technology since I was a teen in 1966 or 1967 and had my first classes (mainframe), and have kept current with new technology ever since.

      Rather, I eschew the idea/requirement that I should be available to anyone at anytime. My right to my own time is much more important than someone else’s need to contact me during those times.

      • infiniteimprobabilit
        Posted February 15, 2016 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

        You can always switch it off.

        I became convinced of the usefulness of a cellphone when rendezvous-ing with a friend in the middle of North Island (NZ) – we were coming from opposite ends of the country, and we liked to use back-country roads that were outside the coverage most of the time. So we swapped messages – come into range of something, get a short message (“in Hunterville 10-50”), send a reply (“passed Ohura 11-25, eta Taum. 12”), an hour later (next time I was in range of something), another message would arrive. Sure as hell beat arriving at the rendezvous and wondering if I was two hours too early or two hours too late…

        But much of the time I leave mine off.

      • Posted February 15, 2016 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

        Having a cell phone doesn’t mean you relinquish your right to undisturbed personal time. As infiniteimprobabilit[ydrive] wrote, turn it off. The examples of instances in which having cell phones makes things run more smoothly, or indeed, even possible, are so numerous…where does one even start?

    • gluonspring
      Posted February 16, 2016 at 1:50 am | Permalink

      Is Twitter a new technology? I thought it was an anachronism, like the QWERTY keyboard. The 140 character limit is an absurd limitation that is based on a quirky aspect of SMS messaging at the time it came out.

      Of course, sometimes this limitation is a boon for creativity… just as the Haiku form can be. But it is not luddism to forswear communicating solely by Haiku.

      • Posted February 16, 2016 at 8:28 am | Permalink

        Well, in 2005 there was no Twitter. Now there is. I think I could still say a public building installed a new door, even if it is the ancient “push” variety, rather than the more space-age automatic variety.

    • gravelinspector-Aidan
      Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:50 am | Permalink

      who can’t reach him when necessary.

      Whose definition of “necessary” – his definition, or their definition?

      • Posted February 16, 2016 at 8:24 am | Permalink

        There are reasonable definitions of “necessary”, and I don’t think it requires several advanced degrees to figure them out.

        He was my organ professor. When our city hosted the AGO national convention many of us local organists were needed to shuttle visiting recitalists to and fro, to be reachable so that we could make sure the churches/other venues around town were ready for the recitalists’ practices, and to be reachable by the recitalists as they practiced if the organs malfunctioned and needed technical attention. To agree to be part of the team taking care of all this and not have a cell phone is pretty irritating.

        • infiniteimprobabilit
          Posted February 16, 2016 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

          He could have borrowed/hired one for the occasion.

          Maybe the organisers should have made ‘has cell phone’ a precondition of assisting. But I expect it never occurred to them that someone wouldn’t have one.

          cr

          • infiniteimprobabilit
            Posted February 16, 2016 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

            Speaking of the handiness of cell phones, I helped do service crew for a competitor in the Silver Fern Rally for classic rally cars a couple of years ago. All round South Island on the back roads. One of the biggest problems was finding spots that were in range of something (partly alleviated by sending text messages whenever possible).

            I was going to say ‘we couldn’t have done it without cell phones’, but then in 1974 in the Heatway Rally that’s exactly what we did. Thinking back to then, I can’t imagine how our service crews managed. They must have managed somehow…
            (The rally organisers used the services of radio hams. Toyota Landcruisers and the like, full of electronic gear and bedecked with tall whip aerials. I think the hams enjoyed the occasion).

            cr

            • gravelinspector-Aidan
              Posted February 18, 2016 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

              You made my point for me – non-coverage spots are one issue, and radio hams (or equivalent equipment) are possible solutions.
              Some years ago I had a very pleasant geologest (female novice geologist) suggest that the several gigabytes of data from a wireline suite could be transmitted over our mobile phones if the rig’s data link couldn’t do it. We were 30 miles beyond mobile phone coverage at the time. 40 miles beyond cover for 3G.
              Kids today1

  52. Thanny
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    As for why Fry might be the target of these censorious ideologues (who are now essentially in charge of Twitter’s Ministry of Truth Trust and Safety Council), see this clip, where he blasphemes:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq5dNcrHE8w

    • Ken Phelps
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

      Not to put too fine a point on it, but any organization that has chosen to include odious busybody and professional victim Anita Sarkeesian in its Ministry of Offended Snowflakes should be abandoned en masse.

      • aljones909
        Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:57 am | Permalink

        There seems to be a parody video, supposedly by Sarkeesian, on Youtube: “Strategic butt coverings in video games”. Someone must have hacked her Youtube account and posted it to make her look ridiculous.

    • infiniteimprobabilit
      Posted February 15, 2016 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

      Technically not blasphemy (“Well so fucking what?”), unless you elevate the Right Not To Be Offended to divine status. 😉

      cr

      • gravelinspector-Aidan
        Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:52 am | Permalink

        That was said by someone “stage left.” I couldn’t make out from the muddy sound what the original complaint was about.

  53. Jonathan Dore
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    I can understand the attraction of twitter for public figures — its relationships are assymetrical; you can have 12 million followers none of whom you have any obligation to pretend are your “friend”. But for actual interaction, with people who are actually your friends, it’s a non-starter. Facebook, for all its drawbacks, is pretty good for that.

  54. Gayle
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    I dislike twitter. I have some work colleagues who are obsessed with it, which is somewhat tedious.

  55. infiniteimprobabilit
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Pointless linking to anything on Tw*tter. That rainbow-lightning-aircraft photo that Jerry linked to three (?) days ago has disappeared already.

    (I found a Daily Fail page on it and gave the link in a comment, which I hope stays up rather longer).

    cr

  56. Posted February 15, 2016 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    I find I’m on Tw**er far more often than other social media platforms. I like the limit imposed on characters & that I can scan through Tw**ts quickly. There are atheists, Agnostics, Freethinkers, Progressives, etc., that I follow and enjoy interacting with. I also follow a lot of legitimate journalists and news sources which allows me to dig deeper into the issues that matter to me. I’m a huge fan of Sci-Fi and there is a large community I follow who shares my love of Star Trek, Doctor Who, The X-Files, Colony, Star Wars, etc. When I encounter someone who is abusive I simply ignore them. If they continue to post Tw**ts on my TL, I mute them. I am no one of importance or consequence so Tw**er is a fun place for me to experience. If I ever become famous, I may have to revisit my activities on Tw**er but for now, it’s almost all good.

  57. Dermot C
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Twitter is an excellent platform if you want immediately to know the first draft of history: e.g. the men of Kufranbel in Syria, the oppositionists in Syria, the propaganda of ISIS and worldwide jihadists and serious western analysts of the Middle East, the journalist/archivists like Kyle W. Orton and Michael D. Weiss whom you barely ever hear about but who know what is actually going on. There is no better way to witness the imbalance in the analyses of Chomsky, Fisk, Hersh et al and the terrible euphemistic MSM reportage of the conflict.

  58. Michael
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    My sole purpose for using Twitter is to keep up to date on some of my favorite artists, authors, musicians, scientists, etc.. who, for whatever reason, prefer using Twitter over other social media or over their own website. I almost never post anything, rather just watch and read and attempt to stay in the loop.

    I suppose it makes sense in some ways for public figures to use social media over their own personal websites. Their own websites will appeal only to their big fans who care to check frequently. A casual fan might check periodically but somewhat seldom. And the website owner might be almost completely lost at attracting new fans by posting exclusively on their site and nowhere else.

    I don’t care much for Twitter. The character limitations are frustrating. The purpose is surely to keep it succinct but sometimes it’s just simply not enough. On the occasion that I do type to someone, I often have to think about crafting my sentences in alternative ways and have to at times use incorrect punctuation or mere letters over complete words (Ex: “u” instead of “you”). Facebook seems a much better avenue for discussion and again, the benefits of getting discovered by new fans is much easier with social media.

  59. Stephen Barnard
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    I really like Facebook. It lets me keep in touch with friends (some of them actual friends) all over the world, no matter where they are or where I am. I participate in a number of wildlife photo sharing groups where I consistently see outstanding amateur work.

  60. aldoleopold
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    I started using it in vet school to follow comedians, simply to bring light heartedness to some of the longer days (many of the short 140 character quips could bring a smile to myself and fellow classmates.) I follow over 100 people now – comedy, science, authors, news, etc. but don’t post anything. I ignore the drama, and rarely read comments on posts.

  61. ToddP
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    I only use Twitter to follow Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins.

    As a concept I don’t care much for it at all. Character limits and abbreviated wrds R not 4 me.

    Stephen Fry is awesome, though.

  62. organism
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    I use Twitter to share articles, and read the articles that others have shared. It’s always interesting to hear what brilliant people have to say, and there are a lot of very funny people on there as well

    I try not to be rancorous, but I am easily frustrated by evolution-deniers, religious bigots, and other spreaders of dangerous information.

    @organism

  63. Posted February 15, 2016 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    Fantastic news, really. I’ve never had a twi**er account, nor will I ever. I remember going to see Second City, the improvisational troupe from Chicago not that long ago. They performed a skit in which an exceptionally self-important man was tw**ting his every minor action. His wife asks, “what the hell are you doing?” The upshot is that her husband responds, and the best line is when she says, “when I hear a grown man tell me that he’s tw**ting, I die a little bit on the inside.”

    And that is that.

  64. michieux
    Posted February 15, 2016 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    I have a Twitter account but rarely use it. I get emailed updates on what some people I follow are doing, along with relevant URLs. Sometimes I’ll go to sites mentioned, but I don’t tweet – haven’t tweeted in over a year.

    Similarly with Facebook. My ‘friends’ are actually relatives scattered near and far, and FB is a handy way to stay in touch. Even so, since my partner checks FB almost daily, I might look in once or twice a month.

  65. barlofontain
    Posted February 16, 2016 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    I use Twitter and Facebook, the best way I can describe my experience of them is thus

    Twitter = Look at this
    Facebook = Look at me

    I enjoy Twitter far more, because I don’t really follow people that I know, I generally follow people I admire. Scientists, comedians and a few cyclists. As many have already said, being able to engage with them directly is great, especially the scientists, when they live tweet during a programme that they have made is on TV and they answer questions, or make comments, directly about it

    I suppose you get out of it, what you put in, if you just want to follow some ‘celebrity’ as they plug their 12th autobiography, or read how much they are enjoying a particular shampoo/car/chocolate, (whilst being paid to), then all power to you, but that’s not for me.

    Likewise, because of the ability to engage directly, there are a lot of trolls, just trying to get a reaction. It’s easy to say,”Just block them”, but if you are famous and getting constant grief, you must get to a stage where you think, “What’s the point?” and bin it

  66. Robert bray
    Posted February 16, 2016 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    No account and no expectation of getting one. I do wonder, though, whether the character limit might not be good as an exercise for poets and prose stylists: distillation of thought into just the right language, like water of life. In both poetry and prose apothegms are often quite striking.

    Likewise imagism. Here’s a famous Pound poem that would make the limit:

    ‘The apparition of these faces in a crowd:
    Petals on a wet, black bough.’

  67. Daniel
    Posted February 19, 2016 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Why do you put the asterisks in the word Twi**er?


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