Radio show on Faith versus Fact

In about 20 minutes, at 9 a.m. Pacific time and 11 a.m. Chicago time, I’ll doing an hourlong interview with Stuart Campbell on his “Consider This” show at KZYX, public radio in Northern California. You can find a link  to the live feed here (click on “listen live” button to the right or tab at upper left), and it will also be archived on the station’s Jukebox site.

It is in fact archived now. Just click on the screenshot below and press “play” or “download” when you get there. My bit begins at 10:14.

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We’ll be talking about Faith versus Fact. 


  1. Posted November 6, 2015 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Holy shit — the host is openly unhesitatingly endorsing of the thesis! He’s one of us!


  2. Randy Schenck
    Posted November 6, 2015 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Really good radio show and PCC was great. A whole hour about Faith vs Fact.

    New word – De-education. Kind of like PTSD treatment for the excessively religious.

  3. Steve Kern
    Posted November 6, 2015 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    As always, nice job by Jerry Coyne. And, I agree, the host was excellent as well.
    Steve Kern, Indianapolis, IN

  4. Wayne Schmitt
    Posted November 6, 2015 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Although open exchange of ideas is generally a good thing, I think this conversation benefited greatly by there being no call-ins. Well done, KZYX.

  5. Torbjörn Larsson
    Posted November 6, 2015 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    That rubbed ma belleh! But now I got to put noms in there…

  6. Debbie Coplan
    Posted November 6, 2015 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Great job Jerry!
    You sounded really good-

  7. Posted November 6, 2015 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Jerry, you said the historicity of Adam and Eve is a dogma of the Catholic Church. I have learned just recently that this is not true.
    Klaus von Stosch, professor of Catholic theology in Paderborn, Germany, gave an interview in which he explained that the Catholic dogmas allow a wide range of beliefs. The catechism is not to be taken too serious. He says he maintains a fully rational version of Catholicism, in which:
    God does not intervene in the world.
    Adam and Eve are not historical.
    Original Sin is not inherited.
    Mary was no biological virgin.
    The tomb of Jesus was not empty.

    Link (German):

    • Posted November 6, 2015 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

      Well, it’s taken seriously enough that many, many theologians are pondering how to comport the “historicity” of Adam and Eve with the many other people alive a long time ago. And if it’s not taken seriously, then one cannot also take seriously the inheritance of original sin by the descendants of Adam and Eve. Just because there’s a renegade professor of theology doesn’t mean it’s not taken seriously. Remember, that bit was written by the Pope. You can find professors of Catholic theology that will say anything contravening the general teaching of the church.

      Also, let me remind you that in Pope Pius XII’s 1950 encyclical Humani Generis, he left NO room for waffling about the historicity of Adam and Eve:

      “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own” (Humani Generis 37).

      That’s pretty clear, no?

    • mitchej
      Posted November 7, 2015 at 1:38 am | Permalink

      Jerry has already pointed out the last papal encyclical on this has left no room for doubt on the official position of the church.

      The catechism of the catholic church is it’s official teaching. You can read it on the vatican web site.

      See paragraph 390 which says:

      “Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents”.

      and many of the followinng sections, which discuss Adam’s sin particularly.

      Your theologians position on these matters is WAY out of line with catholic dogma. People have been excommunicated or otherwise marginalized for taking such stances in the past.

      Oh, and by the way, if he takes the other positions you assert (God not intervening etc.) and still calls himself a catholic, I doubt if his position is as rational as all that :-).

      • Posted November 15, 2015 at 9:16 am | Permalink

        I have asked my friends and two internet forums (German). There were just about six answers and only one of them said that v.Stosch is not a good catholic.

        The typical answers were peevishly informing me that sixty year old encyclicals and catechisms have no impact on their believe. They do not believe in a virgin Mary in the biological sense, and they do not think that Adam an Eve actually lived.

        They don’t want to change the creed, the dogmas or the catechism and have their ways to reinterpret or to ignore the words.

        But the original question was whether the historicity of Adam and Eve is a dogma. I think v.Stosch was right when he said it is not. An encyclical and a catechism do not have the authority of a dogma. Sorry for the pedantry.

  8. Mike
    Posted November 6, 2015 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    I am only half way through listening but the host seems to be struggling to actually form actual questions. Jerry is having to come up with his own questions and then answer them

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