We’re #1

This will be the last self-aggrandizing post of the week, but reader Diana “Your Toilet Paper is Backwards” MacPherson alerted me to something on Seth Andrews’ s(“The Thinking Atheist”) Facebook page.

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You can listen or download that podcast (but only if you haven’t read WEIT) here, and the whole panoply of Seth’s podcasts can be found here. I’ve sampled a few, and they’re good.

By the way, we all get free drinks. I’m having a Woodford Reserve.

69 Comments

  1. Diana MacPherson
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    I’m having a double double because I didn’t sleep well last night. I was probably worried about all those bathrooms with backward toilet paper! :D

    • Posted February 14, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

      Man, I wish I had a cool online reputation like you do.

      • Diane G.
        Posted February 14, 2014 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

        I know, right?

        • Posted February 14, 2014 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

          :)

          It’s kind of badass.

          Diana, the Bathroom Badass.

          • Diane G.
            Posted February 14, 2014 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

            I bow before such web-cred.

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted February 14, 2014 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

        It’s not just online.

        • Posted February 14, 2014 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

          Lol!

          Yes, I suppose this kind of thing would garner one some notoriety in meat space as well.

    • Wendy Smith
      Posted February 14, 2014 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

      Over the top or down the wall? I change them, too.

      • Jesper Both Pedersen
        Posted February 14, 2014 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

        Please Wendy, don’t open that can of worms. It’s gonna be a bloody mess!

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted February 14, 2014 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

        Under – down the wall.

        • merilee
          Posted February 14, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

          Over, OFF the wall

          Is Diana gonna be badass like the honey badger?

          • AdamK
            Posted February 14, 2014 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

            She is not invited over to my house and never will be. I will never allow wrong-way-toilet-paper evildoers to cross my threshold.

            • Diana MacPherson
              Posted February 14, 2014 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

              Maybe I’ve already been there & changed it without you noticing. Muhahaha! Stealth like a ninja!

              • ratabago
                Posted February 15, 2014 at 1:17 am | Permalink

                On this forum shouldn’t that be “Stealth like nightjar?”

              • infiniteimprobabilit
                Posted February 15, 2014 at 2:21 am | Permalink

                Ah, but can you change it as fast as the wheels on a Formula One car?

                (I’ve been waiting for ages for an excuse to link that :)

              • Diana MacPherson
                Posted February 15, 2014 at 6:21 am | Permalink

                I can’t even lift a tire on a rim!

    • Mark Joseph
      Posted February 14, 2014 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

      Sorry I could not post this earlier; today’s Reality Check cartoon looks like it had Diana in mind. Well, anyway, I had her in mind when I read it…

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted February 14, 2014 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

        Ha ha!

      • Diane G.
        Posted February 14, 2014 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

        Jeez, I’d be happy if my family members remembered to just set out a new roll of TP when needed, let alone put it in the dispenser…

        • merilee
          Posted February 14, 2014 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

          Or I love when people leave the roll on with just one square of tp…

          • Diane G.
            Posted February 14, 2014 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

            Uh huh. That always means that your next trip will be of the, uh, urgent variety…

        • Diana MacPherson
          Posted February 15, 2014 at 6:14 am | Permalink

          I’ll change it for you….

        • John Taylor
          Posted February 15, 2014 at 10:25 am | Permalink

          My young boys pee all over the toilet seat and/or the floor on regular basis and one has a toilet flushing phobia. Replacing the roll is the least of my worries.

          • merilee
            Posted February 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

            My cousin’s cat used to flush their toilet all the time. Maybe you could train your cat?

            • John Taylor
              Posted February 15, 2014 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

              I don’t have a cat. Just kids and plants. I don’t think I’d have much luck training the plants.

              • Posted February 15, 2014 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

                Well, there’s your problem right there.

                If you’re anywhere near New Zealand, Jerry Coyne is in need of a slave. If that’s not convenient for you, there’re plenty of other Masters searching for slaves of their own….

                b&

              • Merilee
                Posted February 15, 2014 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

                You could train ivy up or down the tank and around the handle. It might flush inappropriately, though, like my cousin’s cat.

    • HaggisForBrains
      Posted February 15, 2014 at 2:25 am | Permalink

      Thanks Diana and the gang for lots of good laughs on this thread. I suggest that Professor Ceiling Cat should organise an online poll to settle this serious matter. Just don’t mention it over at Pharyngula.

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted February 15, 2014 at 6:23 am | Permalink

        I suspect the pole will reflect the current preference of orientation as over as this wikipedia article details.

        • HaggisForBrains
          Posted February 15, 2014 at 6:56 am | Permalink

          OMG, a whole Wikipedia article with 130 citations, countless references, and a bibliography of more than a dozen books. Like I could give a shit!

        • infiniteimprobabilit
          Posted February 15, 2014 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

          Diana, you may take comfort from the fact that the survey Wikipedia cites was of *American* consumers, and we all know what they’re like ;) In fact the article carries a specific warning banner that that this may not represent a worldwide view of the subject. So there’s hope for you yet.

          (I don’t know why I’m telling you this, since I’m a committed supporter of the ‘Over’ faction. Just some compulsion to be fair, even though you’re worng).

          • infiniteimprobabilit
            Posted February 15, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

            Oh, and it specifically mentions compatibility with cats on line 12 of the article. This has to be the most scholarly and definitive work in the whole of Wikipedia.

            • Merilee
              Posted February 15, 2014 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

              LOL! Yes, discussions of cat-compatability ( catability?) clearly raise the credibility of sny scholarly paper. Cat-queue E D.

              • Merilee
                Posted February 15, 2014 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

                Whoops..compatibility

              • Diana MacPherson
                Posted February 15, 2014 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

                Surely you mean concatability. :)

              • Merilee
                Posted February 15, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

                Great minds…:-). ( or maybe warped minds?)

          • Diana MacPherson
            Posted February 15, 2014 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

            Yes, I noticed the wikipedia warning. I found that whole article funny in that there has been so much effort put in to correlate over & under preferences with political ideologies and socio-economic status. I seem not to fit in with the majority in those categories either.

            • infiniteimprobabilit
              Posted February 15, 2014 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

              If we keep this topic going for long enough, WEIT will end up getting cited as a reference on the Wiki page. :)

              • Merilee
                Posted February 15, 2014 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

                The Evolution of Toilet Roll Placement

  2. Dermot C
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Slaínte! Bravo!

    • gbjames
      Posted February 14, 2014 at 11:09 am | Permalink

      Cheers!

  3. Posted February 14, 2014 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Salute ! ( w/ one’s dominant / dextrous hand ! )

    w/ at least a coupla’shots’ worth of central Iowa’s Capone – Special: T Rye’s the Good Stuff ( of thus: http://www.templetonrye.com/blog/2008/10/15/tr-stories-the-adventures-of-templeton-the-turtle ) —-

    along w/, too o’course, > shots of that wicked – badass, black Romana Sambuca in a Zorro’s Vengeance.

    Particularly on THIS day ( — whilst also, w/ one’s other [ sinister ] p.a.w., sabotaging one’s friends’ t – paper rollers ).

    Blue

  4. thompjs
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Wow, we have the same favorite Bourbon and the same favorite Texas BBQ places.

    Enjoyed the interview

    • Mark Joseph
      Posted February 14, 2014 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

      I listened to the interview on my walk today; and missed any references to bourbon or Texas BBQ.

      But I did enjoy the interview a lot (the Q&A, not so much). I think I’ll add Seth Andrews book Deconverted to my list.

      • Diana MacPherson
        Posted February 14, 2014 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

        I already told you about that book so it’s already on your list. :D

  5. Diane G.
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    “… reader Diana “Your Toilet Paper is Backwards” MacPherson…”

    I LOL-ed…still chuckling…

    Oh, & congrats on the #1 ranking!

  6. Greg Peterson
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Congrats! Seth is very good, his book is excellent, and the video memorium he made for Hitch is among my favorite things ever–I watch it every once in a while for inspiration, and “We’ll take it from here” is one of my main mottos.

  7. Posted February 14, 2014 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Hopefully won’t be long before we permanently overtake that certain anti-science bleargh….

    b&

  8. still learning
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Wow! 3 wins for you this week. What’ll you do for an encore next week?

    Congrats!

    At least Diana’s tp fetish is harmless. Imagine what would happen if she thought people had their clothes on backward!

    • Diana MacPherson
      Posted February 14, 2014 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

      or their heads.

      • Diane G.
        Posted February 14, 2014 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

        Ha Ha Ha!

        This thread is making my day!

        • Posted February 14, 2014 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

          Where on earth did this stereotype of atheists as joyless Vulcans come from?!

          Thanks a lot, Camus!

          • Sastra
            Posted February 14, 2014 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

            No, far before that — the Romantic Period, at least, rebelling against the Age of Reason. “Love is irrational! If we pursue reason then we will never love or feel! Knowledge of the heart!” Etc. etc.

            Non-rational vs. irrational.

            • Posted February 14, 2014 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

              To be sure.

              His is just the first angsty atheist name that came to mind.

              Come to think of it, though, perhaps some of the stereotype is due to the fact that major works intended for posterity tend to deal with serious subject matter. To see jocular, at ease atheists, you often have to be there in person, witnessing mundane activities and interactions. It’s in this context that it’s easy to ignore the ills of the world and forget about Depressive Realism for a time.

              • Diane G.
                Posted February 14, 2014 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

                Paul Kurtz’s writing & speeches were most often positive & inspirational, and often humorous, and his output was vast. IMO he’s unfortunately been kind of thrown under the bus of late, but I hope with the passage of time his life’s work will be revisited and his legacy resurrected and more widely appreciated.

              • Mark Joseph
                Posted February 14, 2014 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

                (This is a reply to Diane G., hopefully just above)

                The anthology that Kurtz edited, Science and Religion, is still one of my favorites, with excellent essays on a number of topics, and a really special appearance by William Dembski, who blithers on for a few pages, apparently under the impression that the truth of an idea is a function of how many adherents it has.

              • Diane G.
                Posted February 14, 2014 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

                @ Mark

                Dembski, eh? Well, Kurtz was always a big-tent type… :D

                Kurtz was there when there weren’t a whole lot of other places to look for encouragement–no web, for instance. I finally got to hear him speak not that many years ago at a MI-CFI meeting. Guess I was expecting some philosopher-gravitas-type, but he was warm, twinkly, contagiously enthusiastic, and occasionally sounded a bit like a Borscht-belt comedian. Despite my years in New York state I’d never really thought of the fact that he was a northeastern Jew by heritage. I’m glad I got to hear him while there was still time, and was saddened by the controversies concerning him that welled up right toward the end.

          • Wildhog
            Posted February 14, 2014 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

            Probably because of me. Sorry about that. I’m much happier on weekends though.

          • Diane G.
            Posted February 14, 2014 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

            Sophisticated “Я” Us.

  9. gravelinspector-Aidan
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Cheers, but I seem to have left my litre of finest Scots mountain dew at the office onshore. Where vultures are circling. Whisky vultures.

  10. Jesper Both Pedersen
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Mazel tov!

    It’s coffee and bailey’s tonight.

  11. Kevin
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    I will definitely have to try Woodford Reserve. In lieu it will have to be Oban tonight. Fantastic audio.

  12. Mike Leegaard
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m looking forward to listening to the podcast during a long drive tomorrow. Seth is a real pro.

  13. Posted February 14, 2014 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    “I’m having Woodford Reserve.”

    Oh dear. I hope your cough is better soon. :-)
    Anyway, congratulations on your fame/notoriety this week!

    (We lived in Ver-sayles for four years. I used Wild Turkey “Barrel Proof” as medicine for whooping cough when I was a graduate student.)

    I’m having pink lemonade, made from my homegrown pomegranate syrup and the backyard lemons that are ripe now.

  14. AdamK
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    I finished my Woodford Reserve. Now I’m on to the Buffalo Trace. Costs less.

  15. Dale
    Posted February 14, 2014 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    I thought this was a great interview even though the interviewer insisted on asking all the dumb questions, maybe because the interviewer asks all the dumb questions. This would be the podcast for creationists to listen to if they would. Dr. Coyne is as well spoken as he is well written. Go Ceiling Cat.

    • Diana MacPherson
      Posted February 15, 2014 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

      Seth was asking those questions so that Jerry could provide good answers to those dumb questions as a way to educate Seth’s audience. I think Seth is actually a very good interviewer.

  16. Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    Posted February 15, 2014 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    No, no! The _paper_ isn’t backwards, it’s the mounting.

    Else you have the wrong tp supplier.

    And congrats to the air/pod/ceiling fame.

  17. Olafur
    Posted February 15, 2014 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    I am one of those people who downloaded this podcast for the 1st time. I thought it was good how the host asked introductory questions that a typical person (or indoctrinated believer) might. Good job.


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