The smartest thing a priest ever said

At an anti-shutdown rally in Chicago today, Michael Pfleger, an activist priest, said this about Republicans:

“They’d rather see America fail than Obama succeed.”

42 Comments

  1. Dave
    Posted October 8, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Pretty much says it. And not just TP Republicans either (Mitch).

  2. freethinkinfranklin
    Posted October 8, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    “smartest”? doubtful, i’ve seen many renounce and keep in mind Frank Scheafer and Barry Lynn are or were “men of the cloth”.

    • freethinkinfranklin
      Posted October 8, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

      but he is honest…. a far better vertue then faith.

      • Posted October 8, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

        “Vertue?” Sorry, couldn’t resist. I’ll punch myself in the face for you.

        • Posted October 8, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

          Much better to slap Boehner in the face with an halibut than to punch yourself, if you don’t mind the observation….

          b&

          • Posted October 8, 2013 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

            Good idea. That sounds like way more fun.

          • Reginald Selkirk
            Posted October 9, 2013 at 7:33 am | Permalink

            Why? Just for the halibut?

            • Posted October 9, 2013 at 8:41 am | Permalink

              Yes. The fish has been very, very, very naughty and really quite deserves it.

              Cheers,

              b&

              • JohnnieCanuck
                Posted October 9, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

                I can see that you are floundering in your life. You need to find a new bass to stand on and acknowledge Cod for only He can save your sole.

                Sorry.

              • Posted October 9, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

                On the plus side, all I have to do is print out this page if I need something to wrap tomorrow’s dinner in….

                b&

          • Kelly O'Brien
            Posted October 9, 2013 at 8:47 am | Permalink

            Poor halibut…

            • Posted October 9, 2013 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

              Normally, I’d agree with you…but, in this case, it turns out that the halibut is, itself, a Teabagger who wants Obama to have to show his Kenyan birth certificate before being treated under the ACA.

              As I wrote: a very, very naughty fish.

              b&

  3. Posted October 8, 2013 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    I’m not a fan of Pfleger, but he is quite right about this issue.

  4. Posted October 8, 2013 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    ..he has it right

  5. Richard Olson
    Posted October 8, 2013 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    The same GOP that voted to raise the debt ceiling 19 times after 1/20/01 suddenly determined on 1/21/09 that America’s debt limit constitutes a peril to the country. It is impossible to prove this occurred because not just any Democrat, but a black Democrat, succeeded a Republican presidency considered a failure by not only over half of the US electorate, but quite likely well over half of the population of the planet, as well. It hurt, it stung, it caused feelings of inferiority.

    The same GOP that relies on the Heritage Foundation for most if not all of its policy origination and/or justification suddenly post-1/21/09 went 180 on health reform policy the Heritage Foundation proposed, a proposal itself based on existing Massachusetts policy implemented by a former Mass’ governor soon to be the ’12 GOP presidential nominee and candidate. This particular turnabout only occurred after a black Democratic presidency managed to get a bastardized (eviscerated) version of the Heritage Foundation policy proposal passed by both houses of Congress, signed into law, and the law survived (to some extent) a USSC challenge.

    It is impossible to prove that racism, white vs black, accounts for the level of hostility the GOP demonstrates against this particular Democratic presidency, the amount of harm the GOP is willing to inflict on the citizen’s of their own country, the economic fortune’s of the entire planet, and the future wellbeing of their country.

    I am unable to prove these actions by the GOP are a direct result of a combination of both deliberate and innate deep-seated racist antipathy. So I will refrain from making such a claim.

    • RFW
      Posted October 8, 2013 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

      I’m bolder than you are. The behavior of the GOTP is clearly motivated by racism, pure and simple.

      What is surprising is that after what appeared to be a victory for black civil rights fifty years ago, racism has turned out to still be a powerful force in the US.

    • Notagod
      Posted October 9, 2013 at 6:35 am | Permalink

      It isn’t all due to racism but it is a large part of it. I think greed and racism are both on high for almost anyone willing to align themselves with the republican.

      I would also think that if christianity had any value to society at all, it would be able to at least subdue racism. However, the political party that caters strongly to the christian is also the party that caters to racists. Also, greed and deception and other characteristics that christians say they aren’t but act as they are, are foundational to the current republican party.

      However, I admire your intended honest that it is difficult to prove with 100% confidence.

  6. Posted October 8, 2013 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    I cannot fucking believe that the US is about to default on its debt obligations.

    And what really gets me is that we’re going to do so because the Teabaggers are actually eagerly looking forward to it, saying that it’d be a good thing, that it’d demonstrate to our creditors our intentions to get serious about our debt problem.

    Imagine calling your bank and telling them that you’ve decided that you’re not going to pay the mortgage or any of your credit card bills right now, though you might try to scrape together enough for interest payments. And then imagine telling them that this is a good thing, because it’s a sign that you’re serious about reducing your spending.

    Now imagine going to the store and trying to buy some groceries with one of those credit cards….

    And these complete and total blithering fucking idiots are actually jumping up and down with glee at the prospect!

    Damn. Better shut up, now, especially before Gary W shows up….

    b&

  7. Wayneo1
    Posted October 8, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    And why not indeed ! ! @

  8. Posted October 8, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    I think Bill Moyers said it best, in describing the Republicans’ tactics as sabotage of the democratic process:

    http://billmoyers.com/segment/bill-moyers-essay-shutdown-showdown/

    • Posted October 8, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

      Speaking of smartest things a priest (or at least a one-time Baptist pastor) ever said…

      Probably the best thing ever to come out of the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.

  9. rose
    Posted October 8, 2013 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    If someone can say the f word here,then I want someone maybe that guy to do in the tea party.a mass well ya know.

  10. Posted October 8, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Reblogged this on hitchens67 Atheism WOW!! Campaign.

  11. John
    Posted October 8, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    I appreciate the sentiment, but I think that has been the mantra of the Republican party since the day they lost the election. How totally cynical and hypocritical. And for what, a useless ideology??

  12. Posted October 8, 2013 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    The clergyman’s quote is spot on, but the underlying issue goes beyond racism. Were Obama white, male, and Christian, he would not be considered Christian enough, by the Dominionist factions which underly and overfund Christian extremists in the US. They believe God/Jesus has called on them to destroy our democracy, replace it with a theocracy, and help hasten Armageddon. The “euphoria of collective emotions” (h/t: Chris Hedges) they experiences, ganging up together in all their individual insufficiency, makes them feel they can conquer the world for Jesus and win brownie points into heaven for helping him return.

    And, if that ain’t scary, I don’t know what is.

    • freethinkinfranklin
      Posted October 9, 2013 at 8:46 am | Permalink

      sadly obama is a christian, although the rwnj’s don’t think so. hes also just as white as he is black, another fact the rwnj’s overlook. as for being male i think he passes that test and the rwnj’s might go along with that…

  13. Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    Posted October 8, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    “TrUSt US?”

    No, not anymore.

  14. Jonathan Wallace
    Posted October 9, 2013 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    There was an excellent xkcd yesterday on the topic of the government shut-down.

  15. staffordgordon
    Posted October 9, 2013 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    I’m becoming increasingly glad that I live in the UK and not the USA.

  16. Larry Gay
    Posted October 9, 2013 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    I like to see atheists (Jerry in this case) give credit to religious leaders who do and say the right things. Hitch went too far when he claimed religion poisons everything. There is a strain of human decency in some of them. (I know Hitch would have a resounding rejoinder to smack me down.)

    • Posted October 9, 2013 at 3:17 am | Permalink

      In this case, the rejoinder would likely have been along the lines that this priest’s utterance had nothing to do with religious sensibilities. And he would’ve been correct.

      • Kurt Lewis Helf
        Posted October 9, 2013 at 7:42 am | Permalink

        +1

    • John Scanlon, FCD
      Posted October 9, 2013 at 4:13 am | Permalink

      I don’t think Hitch said or implied that religion ONLY poisons everything, or that it poisons everything TO DEATH, or that religious people ARE 100% POISON… so a thin, weak, strain of decency doesn’t falsify the hypothesis.

  17. Posted October 9, 2013 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    “The smartest thing a priest ever said”

    I dunno, there must be the odd one who’s said “I resign”. ;-)

  18. JBlilie
    Posted October 9, 2013 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    Straight up. They’ve said as much. Mitch McConnell said it clearly: Their goal 2008-2012 was to prevent Obama from being re-elected. They failed and now they are trying to take away their bat and ball and run on home, like little children …

  19. Posted October 9, 2013 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    Truth.

  20. Richard Olson
    Posted October 9, 2013 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    ‘drive-through abortion clinics’

    Check out The K Chronicles on GoComics!

    http://www.gocomics.com/thekchronicles/2013/10/09

  21. freethinkinfranklin
    Posted October 9, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    the only one at fault here, the folks who have blame fall upon them, are those that stayed home and did not vote in 2012 and 2010!!
    if you didn’t vote, you have no right to bitch…. want to fix it?? get off the couch and VOTE!!!

  22. DrBrydon
    Posted October 9, 2013 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Meh. That’s not much of a challenge.

    Let me just say, by way of dissent, that there has to be some other solution to government spending than “more”.

    • John
      Posted October 9, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

      I think we have to spend as much as it takes until all our citizens have a decent standard of living. I find the alternative repugnant. A more fair tax structure would help. It is beyond any doubt that the biggest whiners about spending are those who have used to the system to enrich themselves, either directly or indirectly.


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