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		<title>By: Naturalism &#8211; coming your way soon? &#124; the Way?</title>
		<link>http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/moving-naturalism-forward-my-summary/#comment-411955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Naturalism &#8211; coming your way soon? &#124; the Way?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] summaries by Sean Carroll, Jerry Coyne first, second and third, and Massimo Pugliucci first, second and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Moving naturalism forwards?</title>
		<link>http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/moving-naturalism-forward-my-summary/#comment-409960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moving naturalism forwards?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 06:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] summaries by Sean Carroll, Jerry Coyne first, second and third, and Massimo Pugliucci first, second and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] summaries by Sean Carroll, Jerry Coyne first, second and third, and Massimo Pugliucci first, second and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Moving Naturalism Forward: Videos and Recap &#124; Sean Carroll</title>
		<link>http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/moving-naturalism-forward-my-summary/#comment-338020</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moving Naturalism Forward: Videos and Recap &#124; Sean Carroll]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] been promising a substantive report from the meeting myself, to join those by Jerry (one, two, three) and Massimo (one, two, three). Other obligations have made it very hard to find time for that, so [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been promising a substantive report from the meeting myself, to join those by Jerry (one, two, three) and Massimo (one, two, three). Other obligations have made it very hard to find time for that, so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: shakyisles</title>
		<link>http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/moving-naturalism-forward-my-summary/#comment-313693</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That being said, there is also the possibility that by not feeding the neighbours cat, the neighbour (with feline) wakes up to the fact that he has been such a jerk that he can&#039;t even call in a favour from a neighbour. So even a &#039;wrong&#039; or selfish decision can go &#039;right&#039; or have positives spin-offs further down the line. Wrong turns can turn out to be right]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That being said, there is also the possibility that by not feeding the neighbours cat, the neighbour (with feline) wakes up to the fact that he has been such a jerk that he can&#8217;t even call in a favour from a neighbour. So even a &#8216;wrong&#8217; or selfish decision can go &#8216;right&#8217; or have positives spin-offs further down the line. Wrong turns can turn out to be right</p>
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		<title>By: shakyisles</title>
		<link>http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/moving-naturalism-forward-my-summary/#comment-313686</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shakyisles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, it doesn&#039;t work like that. Babies don&#039;t die for being horrible to someone, they die because   there is no measles vaccination programme in their locality for whatever reason.

Sorry if I&#039;ve upset you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t work like that. Babies don&#8217;t die for being horrible to someone, they die because   there is no measles vaccination programme in their locality for whatever reason.</p>
<p>Sorry if I&#8217;ve upset you</p>
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		<title>By: shakyisles</title>
		<link>http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/moving-naturalism-forward-my-summary/#comment-313684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shakyisles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s quite simple - someone chooses not to agree to feed their neighbours cat when requested because of some petty long-standing grudge. The next time the refusing neighbour needs help, he gets refused help. Wheras if he&#039;d chosen to feed the kitteh..he would have earnt himself some good karma. Nothing supernatural about that]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s quite simple &#8211; someone chooses not to agree to feed their neighbours cat when requested because of some petty long-standing grudge. The next time the refusing neighbour needs help, he gets refused help. Wheras if he&#8217;d chosen to feed the kitteh..he would have earnt himself some good karma. Nothing supernatural about that</p>
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		<title>By: abb3w</title>
		<link>http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/moving-naturalism-forward-my-summary/#comment-312432</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[abb3w]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not a major incompatibility, as long as you&#039;re willing to distinguish abstract-reality from empirical-reality, with the latter 1-to-1-onto mappable to some sub-portion of the former, and consider the associated senses of &quot;existing&quot; as distinct concepts.

Or in other words, as long as you consider Graham&#039;s Number to &quot;exist&quot; in a different sense of that word than considering a hammer to &quot;exist&quot;, not a big deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a major incompatibility, as long as you&#8217;re willing to distinguish abstract-reality from empirical-reality, with the latter 1-to-1-onto mappable to some sub-portion of the former, and consider the associated senses of &#8220;existing&#8221; as distinct concepts.</p>
<p>Or in other words, as long as you consider Graham&#8217;s Number to &#8220;exist&#8221; in a different sense of that word than considering a hammer to &#8220;exist&#8221;, not a big deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I take your point about language, though. Many of the discussions on this site have hinged on the structure of language and how it constrains our thought and expression.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take your point about language, though. Many of the discussions on this site have hinged on the structure of language and how it constrains our thought and expression.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Matt</title>
		<link>http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/moving-naturalism-forward-my-summary/#comment-312229</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps the way I should’ve put it is something like “we simply are the result of genes interacting with an environment in ways determined and constrained by the laws of physics.” This still delivers us into Gregory’s zombie world, however.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It doesn&#039;t have to if you&#039;re willing to distribute &quot;the conscious self&quot; among the various interdependent (and unconscious) processing and action systems in the brain and body. If you do that, then there is no contradiction in saying that &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; decided something, because all of my conscious decisions just are what my brain does, and &lt;em&gt;can do&lt;/em&gt; (in the normal, scientific, epistemic sense of &quot;can&quot;) in response to external and internal stimuli. We can even maintain the useful distinction between &quot;voluntary&quot; and &quot;involuntary&quot; on this view, depending upon how this behavior manifests.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Or you could say “we simply are our strings. They are not external.” Which sounds sort of compatibilist to me. But this implies that there is also an internal puppetmaster. We’re right back to the old homunculus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

OK, here&#039;s a better puppet analogy: &quot;We simply are our strings. There are trillions of them, and they pull on each other in synchrony - there is no one place in the system that &lt;em&gt;ultimately&lt;/em&gt; controls all the pulling, unless you pull so far away that you can&#039;t see the strings anymore and are forced to look at the system&#039;s high-level behavior, in which case you can point to places whose pulls have more global effect than others&#039;.&quot; But that no longer sounds like a puppet!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Perhaps the way I should’ve put it is something like “we simply are the result of genes interacting with an environment in ways determined and constrained by the laws of physics.” This still delivers us into Gregory’s zombie world, however.</p></blockquote>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t have to if you&#8217;re willing to distribute &#8220;the conscious self&#8221; among the various interdependent (and unconscious) processing and action systems in the brain and body. If you do that, then there is no contradiction in saying that <em>I</em> decided something, because all of my conscious decisions just are what my brain does, and <em>can do</em> (in the normal, scientific, epistemic sense of &#8220;can&#8221;) in response to external and internal stimuli. We can even maintain the useful distinction between &#8220;voluntary&#8221; and &#8220;involuntary&#8221; on this view, depending upon how this behavior manifests.</p>
<blockquote><p>Or you could say “we simply are our strings. They are not external.” Which sounds sort of compatibilist to me. But this implies that there is also an internal puppetmaster. We’re right back to the old homunculus.</p></blockquote>
<p>OK, here&#8217;s a better puppet analogy: &#8220;We simply are our strings. There are trillions of them, and they pull on each other in synchrony &#8211; there is no one place in the system that <em>ultimately</em> controls all the pulling, unless you pull so far away that you can&#8217;t see the strings anymore and are forced to look at the system&#8217;s high-level behavior, in which case you can point to places whose pulls have more global effect than others&#8217;.&#8221; But that no longer sounds like a puppet!</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Douglas</title>
		<link>http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/moving-naturalism-forward-my-summary/#comment-312186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This doesn&#039;t require numbers any more than a sexually reproducing species which needs (say) two individuals to reproduce requires access to a number two. You can have things which (to speaking with deliberate fiction) represent numbers without there being any such things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t require numbers any more than a sexually reproducing species which needs (say) two individuals to reproduce requires access to a number two. You can have things which (to speaking with deliberate fiction) represent numbers without there being any such things.</p>
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